jimahrens Loc: California

Has no bearing on who is Marxist in America It the group that is pulling strings from outside our country.Back to the overstated " Follow the money trail" Or whoever yells the loudest gets the attention.

jimahrens Loc: California

If It were just me I would not give second thought. But There are those that are confused don't need more confusion. You and I have right to choose let's leave it there.

Glaucon

You have it right and say it well.

MajorAhrens Loc: Myrtle Beach

Yes they are but it took a civil war in this country to make the Democrats understand this. After they lost that they started the KKK. Far be it from a marxist the Democrats just changed stripes and once the blacks got the vote instead of hanging niggers,( Johnson's words not mine), they started giving them goodies to divide the families. No father,no discipline. Divide and conquer. Alinsky and his lackeys failed to overthrow the government although Ayers gave it a shot. While no marxist even that little weasel MANSON thought he was going to start the race wars to end all race wars. America has plenty of marxists, they just don't have the organization.

straightUp Loc: California

That's pretty much what I'm thinking... Every liberal I know, including myself has no interest in communism.


Like when frustrated liberals call conservatives Nazis or fascists.


I've posed the argument before that true communism hasn't actually been tested on a large scale, but I guess that's too fine a line to be drawing in such a dumbed-down environment. Bottom line is every communist revolution has failed to achieve it's objectives. I also think communism would be a horrible fit for America.


I suppose it comes down to what questions do to conviction. Scholars work with questions which often compromise their sense of conviction. Those who don't question their convictions remain strong on them.

As they say... the more you learn the less you know. Nothing could be truer.

Thanks for the thoughtful feed back Glaucon.

straightUp Loc: California

Care to explain? Where do you see the money trail going?

jimahrens Loc: California

To Saudi Arabia for one. Who do you think financed Obama Education. Then the Illuminati come to mind. Of course there is China. They would love to see America fall then the new world order wold be Gov. Simple term Slavery will rule the day.

Glaucon

straightUp wrote:
That's pretty much what I'm thinking... Every liberal I know, including myself has no interest in communism.

RESPONSE: Communism is a utopian system that overlooks evolved human nature. Communism sounds good, but hasn’t worked won’t work. Historically, it has been an idealized plan for humans, but in practice, it begins well and has always ended up in a dictatorship of the of the few and not as it was envisioned by it idealistic developers. I don’t know anyone, liberal or conservative that would support communism in America and suggestions that it can be foisted on us by some invisible forces is paranoid nonsense.
Glaucon wrote:

We use the words, Marxist, socialist, and communist not in their historic and philosophical contexts and meanings, but as nasty things you can call people who may think differently from us.

Like when frustrated liberals call conservatives Nazis or fascists.

RESPONSE: You are absolutely right. This kind of crap cuts two way or more accurately, all ways. That reminds me of the old saying, I don’t want to hear both sides of the story, because that would keep me from hearing all the other sides.
Glaucon wrote:

The problem with calling someone these names is supposed to label you as knowledgeable and those who may believe differently form you as duped, lacking in knowledge or evil. I have found that people who mindlessly hurl these words at "those others," have no idea what those words mean, their historical and philosophical context nor do they understand why these systems sound great, but have all failed in real life. For those who understand these systems, they are no threat simply because they have been tried and haven't worked and there is no reason to believe they would work if anyone wanted to try them again.

I've posed the argument before that true communism hasn't actually been tested on a large scale, but I guess that's too fine a line to be drawing in such a dumbed-down environment. Bottom line is every communist revolution has failed to achieve it's objectives. I also think communism would be a horrible fit for America.

RESPONSE: I think communism has always failed because it would only work if humans were the way we would like them to be rather than the way they are.
Glaucon wrote:

The people who are the most true believing Christians usually have not read the Bible and the true believers in the belief that these political/economic systems are a threat, have no idea what they mean, their historical context and why they have all failed miserably when they were tried.

I suppose it comes down to what questions do to conviction. Scholars work with questions which often compromise their sense of conviction. Those who don't question their convictions remain strong on them.

As they say... the more you learn the less you know. Nothing could be truer.

Thanks for the thoughtful feed back Glaucon.

RESPONSE: I am convinced that one of the truest indication of human intelligence is one’s ability to be aware of and question our own opinions, conclusions, beliefs and biases.

You sound like a particularly intelligent and informed person. What is your background and your interests? I think most of us could learn something from you, and it might be good for those on this site to have access to a variety of opinions and civil exchanges. However, any humanistic, thoughtful, views are usually met with viscous, silly, mindless attacks, so you might prefer to communicate with Private messages.

jimahrens Loc: California

If I am to believe what you both said. Then why is it you elect people that do believe in the ism's. Big Government plain and simple is an ism you can not refute it.

straightUp Loc: California

One hand you're using political parties to connect ideologies across history and on the other hand you're admitting that political parties change their stripes. Yes, the Democrats supported slavery and almost all the KKK were Democrats but the stripes they were wearing at the time were the stripes of conservatism. The Republicans for the most part, represented the liberals in the North with their big cities and talk about equality. Even the Progressive movement sprung from the Republican Party while negotiating deals with workers in the industrial North. But you're right, the Democrats did change their stripes... but not until after WW2 when they started to support issues in civil rights which really pissed off their Southern conservative constituents, triggering factions like the "Dixiecrats". Then came Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon and their "Southern Strategy" where they played on the racist sentiments of Southern conservatives and successfully converted them into Republicans where they still preserve their racist bullshit to this day.

So yes, political parties change their stripes... So don't use election-driven parties to connect deep-rooted ideologies. In fact, getting back to your response to my comment about equal rights being my agenda. I didn't say it was the Democratic agenda, I said it was MY agenda. That's a significant difference because I'm not even a Democrat.

Glaucon

RESPONSE:

Where oh where did you get the idea that the civil war was between Democrats and Republicans? Where oh where did you get the idea the Democrats lost our civil war? How do you see present day Democrats as Marxist? Do you actually believe Democrats were hanging niggers rather than that some sub humans from both parties and from no parties were doing so. Do you believe those who wanted to provide basic level of existence for Afro Americans were from one party? Do you actually believe those who supported basic substance for the Afro Americans who were starving was for the ulterior motive of braking up families? Why would anyone want to break up the families? How do you define, “goodies?”
would that include basic foods? How did you arrive at the conclusion that Alinski has lackeys? You might want to read Alinski’s most popular book to provide you with some information on the subject. Where did you get the idea that Alinski wanted to overthrow our government? Mason is a criminal and a sociopath and is not a Democrat or a liberal or a follower of Alinski, what possible purpose could you have had in including him in you mindless, hate filled diatribe? I know lots of people with a wide range of opinions and beliefs, but I don’t know even one who could be considered a Marxist. When you use the word, Marxist, do you just mean some person or some people you have selected for the focus of your hate? The reason Marxists aren’t taking over our government isn’t because they don’t have organization, it is because the entire group of Marxists in America could have a convention in a phone booth, if they could find one.

jimahrens Loc: California

MajorAhrens Loc: Myrtle Beach

Glaucon, are you that dense that you thought anything I posted had to do with the question straight up asked? Please tell me you didn't take what I said seriously. I was merely injecting nonsensical sentences in a post. I bet three of my buddies on here I could say mere gobbledygook on a post that anyone in their right mind knows was a red Herring. But the one thing I put in there was true, the marxists in America aren't organized. And I thought you were in academia. You see the kinds of papers our college kids are getting away with. Come on man, use your head besides something to put a gat on

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

straightUp Loc: California

I don't think it matters who you vote for. Either you vote for one of the two big parties which both inflate the government, or you use your vote as a symbolic "no", in which case you just let others decide which of the two Big Parties will get to inflate the government next.

For better or worse I think Big Government is the natural result of a Big Democracy. We have over 300 million people in this country.

Maybe the answer is to break the democracy up into smaller countries. We might get better representation that way. I dunno... You're asking a Big Question.