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Mar 6, 2015 00:44:12   #
Chameleon12
 
straightUp wrote:
The short answer from most opponents (liberal and otherwise) is that the tar sands will increase greenhouse gas emissions, endanger water supplies, increase the potential for toxic disaster and undermine the efforts being made to transition the energy mix to more sustainable sources.

Personally, my initial inclination is to support the pipeline because being a liberal, I am not chained to the sway of the congregation (that's more a conservative thing) Also, as an environmentalist AND a realist, my opinion is that we should pick our fights. It seems to me that coal burning is a far greater detriment to climate patterns than oil is. Also, it's clear that there isn't anything we can do about the Canadian commitment to extracting bitumen from northern Alberta. If we ditch the pipeline, TransCanada will continue with the extraction anyway and will simply transport it using potentially even more dangerous methods than the proposed pipeline.

But now I'm looking deeper into this and finding evidence that there is more to the issue than meets the casual eye. Of course this doesn't surprise me. For instance I'm finding out that tar sand oil is not the same thing as regular crude, the hazards are far greater. To be honest the potential for 42,000 jobs doesn't mean that much to me. I'm not in the oil business and I'm not a politician looking for votes. So, my main concern regarding this issue is the environment and our efforts to switch to more sustainable sources of energy. The only reason at this point why I might still support the pipeline is if it represents a safer option for handling Canadian bitumen than the alternatives.
The short answer from most opponents (liberal and ... (show quote)


That's a good point. If going to be extracted anyway, why not have it sent to america and then put laws into effect that forces the company to increase filtration to lower the 18% greenhouse emissions that come with it instead of opposing it altogether, which will only change where it is being shipped.

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Mar 6, 2015 00:49:02   #
Chameleon12
 
PeterS wrote:
What's the difference between being a Republican and a Libertarian? To me it seems like 6 of 1 and a half dozen of the other...


Most Libertarians opposed the Iraq war while most republicans were for it. Most Libertarians are against overreaching spying on Americans by the federal government. Many republicans are for it.
Most Libertarians are for the state's right to choose the legality of Marijuana. Most republicans are for a federal law restricting or banning it.

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Mar 6, 2015 10:42:22   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Chameleon12 wrote:
That's a good point. If going to be extracted anyway, why not have it sent to america and then put laws into effect that forces the company to increase filtration to lower the 18% greenhouse emissions that come with it instead of opposing it altogether, which will only change where it is being shipped.

Exactly.

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Mar 6, 2015 10:50:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Chameleon12 wrote:
Most Libertarians opposed the Iraq war while most republicans were for it. Most Libertarians are against overreaching spying on Americans by the federal government. Many republicans are for it.
Most Libertarians are for the state's right to choose the legality of Marijuana. Most republicans are for a federal law restricting or banning it.

I think Libertarians are the unconditional advocates of liberty where the Republicans are only advocates of economic liberty and the Democrats are only advocates of social liberty.

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Apr 10, 2015 23:04:00   #
Chameleon12
 
straightUp wrote:
I think Libertarians are the unconditional advocates of liberty where the Republicans are only advocates of economic liberty and the Democrats are only advocates of social liberty.


That's a pretty good analogy except for democrats are typically against gun ownership and libertarians usually for it. The thing democrats and libertarians see eye to eye most on is opposing government spying, torture, and police states. This president though is more of a republican on those issues. He's like Bush lite.

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