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Jul 26, 2014 22:54:58   #
rumitoid
 
alabuck wrote:
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rumi,
Man, you nailed it!

Serenity, the religion of many who profess Christianity isn't the message Christ brought with Him. It isn't the message of exclusion. It isn't the message of "God wants you to be prosperous." It isn't the message of measuring a person's worth or value by how much it'll cost me to help support him or her.

As Christians, we are told by Christ that we're to love The Lord, our God, with all our heart, mind and soul; and we are to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. He didn't make any differentiations between race, color, national origin, sexual orientation, creed, rich, poor, or religion.

When I hear our fellow countrymen make statements derogatory toward one group or another, I have to wonder if they're professing Christ as their savior or just giving it lip service in the name of misguided patriotism. Many here claim we're supposed to be a Christian nation, yet when it comes to following the teachings of Christ, it's totally forgotten.

In our Western European and American histories, several nations and colonies professed to be Christian nations and colonies. Yet, they openly persecuted fellow Christians for not worshipping in the prescribed ways of the state. Many were exiled. Many were killed; all in the name of Jesus. Show me, the chapter(s) and verse(s), in the Bible, where Jesus ordains the killing and exiling of believers. Where He okays the mistreatment of those people of different races, nationalities, genders, and other religions. In the days Jesus walked the Earth, He conversed with a Samaritan woman. In those days, Samaritans were considered scum by the Jews, yet, he talked to her.

Now, the richest and most blessed nation on the planet is fighting within itself over the treatment of alien/immigrant children. Jesus didn't say, they're not wanted here. Ship them back! Jesus said, "...suffer the children to me." Jesus didn't say to ignore those in need, either. He said, "I was hungry and you fed me. I was a stranger and you took me in. I was naked and you clothed me."

As a Christian country, were not asked to give of our surplus; were asked to give of our wealth. In the Temple, an old woman gave but two mites.

The Widow’s Offering. Mark 12:41-44New International Version (NIV)

41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
If we're to be the Christian nation many claim we are, then why don't we have a love of God like the widow does?

Worldly-mindedness is a common and fatal symptom of hypocrisy, for by no sin can Satan have a surer and faster hold of the soul than under the cloak of a profession of religion. Something the soul will have, which it looks upon as the best thing; in which it has pleasure and confidence above other things.

"Christ counsels to make our best things the joys and glories of the other world, those things not seen which are eternal, and to place our happiness in them. There are treasures in heaven. It is our wisdom to give all diligence to make our title to eternal life sure through Jesus Christ, and to look on all things here below, as not worthy to be compared with it, and to be content with nothing short of it. It is happiness above and beyond the changes and chances of time, an inheritance incorruptible. The worldly man is wrong in his first principle; therefore all his reasonings and actions, from there forward, must be wrong. It is equally to be applied to false religion; that which is deemed light is thick darkness. This is an awful, but a common case; we should therefore carefully examine our leading principles by the word of God, with earnest prayer for the teaching of his Spirit. A man may do some service to two masters, but he can devote himself to the service of no more than one. God requires the whole heart, and will not share it with the world. When two masters oppose each other, no man can serve both. He who holds to the world and loves it, must despise God; he who loves God, must give up the friendship of the world." Matthew Henry Concise Commentary
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Thank you. Great points. Could not have said it better.

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Jul 26, 2014 22:57:01   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
Serenity54321 wrote:
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It also never struck you as odd that the Bible went through all the trouble of listing the major empires of the world (Medes, Persians, Romans), but somehow "forgot" to mention the major empire that is the US? That somehow, we bore no relevance to God, the Bible, or his plans for the future? That this huge empire that is the US is simply "not on the list"?

That always seemed odd to me.


Middle eastern book,for middle eastern minds. Also trading...Saudi Arabia has many trade partners with oil.It will all become clearer as time goes forward. I'm not saying I am right. A lot of people have added to this discussion. What a pleasure having decent conversation. God bless you in your search.

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Jul 28, 2014 05:00:56   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
CharlesRabb wrote:
Have you ever seen pictures of Saudia Arabia, UAE, Dubai, or any of the Middle Eastern cities? They are being destroyed as we speak and the party isn't over. Mecca is Babylon.


At the present time, not a glove has been lain on Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates, including Dubai - which is one of the Emirates.

As for the "Middle Eastern" cities, that covers a lot of territory...

There are wars in Libya, Syria and Iraq, at present.

Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Qatar, Kuwait and Yemen are all "relatively" at peace.

Mecca does not, in any way, meet the Biblical definition that would qualify it to be the end time "Babylon."

It's a sandspot in the desert, with barely any source of water. It does not sit on many waters.

The entire population of Saudi Arabia is 28 million, and that of Mecca 2 million.

Of all counties on earth, Saudi Arabia, in which Mecca (Makkah) resides, does not have multiple races and ethnicities; as permanent citizens, they allow only Muslims.

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Jul 28, 2014 05:24:17   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
serenity54321 wrote:
The following is a copy and paste of an article posted by David Beiber. Throughout the years, prophecy teachers in the Christian religion have been teaching that the Mystery Babylon city spoken about in Revelation during the end of days must be rebuilt in the Middle East in order for Biblical prophecy to be fulfilled. Is that true? Or is the New Babylon already here?

Christians, (and skeptics with an open mind) please tell me what you think. (This article is lengthy, but worth the read):

AMERICA IS BABYLON
By David Beiber

"I know I’m probably wasting my breath and that very few will believe, but in the last days the Bible speaks of a dominant city-state that is a major center of commerce that will be destroyed in one hour. Mystery Babylon The Great. The churches will tell you it is referring to the Vatican in Rome. They are wrong.

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For some years, I thought the original Babylon would be rebuilt to somehow fulfill these prophecies, however, the realization gradually dawned that God has said repeatedly in Scripture that Babylon, the original, is eternally cursed, and will not be rebuilt.

I, in no way, agree with all of David Beiber's conclusions. I don't believe there are any secret "Bible codes," for Jesus said, "I always spoke openly in the Synagogue, and in secret, have I said nothing."

I do believe, after studying Revelations, Chapters 17 and 18; Jeremiah 50 and 51, Habakkuk, and others, that the United States is rapidly becoming that dreaded nation/city-state God foresaw and foretold centuries ago.

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Jul 28, 2014 11:14:07   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
For some years, I thought the original Babylon would be rebuilt to somehow fulfill these prophecies, however, the realization gradually dawned that God has said repeatedly in Scripture that Babylon, the original, is eternally cursed, and will not be rebuilt.

I, in no way, agree with all of David Beiber's conclusions. I don't believe there are any secret "Bible codes," for Jesus said, "I always spoke openly in the Synagogue, and in secret, have I said nothing."

I do believe, after studying Revelations, Chapters 17 and 18; Jeremiah 50 and 51, Habakkuk, and others, that the United States is rapidly becoming that dreaded nation/city-state God foresaw and foretold centuries ago.
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Thank you as I am beginning to feel the same way also. I believe that we as a nation have way to much pride and have always thought more highly of ourselves then we should. We are rapidly becoming that which was spoken of in the Bible.

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Jul 28, 2014 13:17:49   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
bahmer wrote:
Thank you as I am beginning to feel the same way also. I believe that we as a nation have way to much pride and have always thought more highly of ourselves then we should. We are rapidly becoming that which was spoken of in the Bible.


bahmer,

the self-worth, self-actualization, self-realization craze has now indoctrinated three decades of our youth.

I had a thought in my office in September, 1991, and scribbled it inside a book I'd been reading; "In five years, or ten, Something evil this way comes."

After 9-11-2001, Media spokespeople repeatedly intoned what a moral, upright (even righteous) nation we were, and how undeserving we were of the vicious, sneak attack to which we had been subjected.

It is true that no nation and no people should suffer such an attack, however, as a nation, we are working overtime to deserve it.

In less than twenty years, our nation has progressed (if one can call it that) from a minimally ethical country and population, into a violent, godless, self-centered, materialistic House of Horrors, especially in our wide spread U.S. Government glorification of Abortion and sexual perversion, including Child-Porn.

We, as a nation, are sliding downhill at breathtaking speed, yet if asked today, those same announcers (or their replacements) would pontificate those same talking points as on 9-11.

Our President went to a world-meeting in Russia months ago, but instead of campaigning for world peace (or whatever), he demanded that Russia give all Homosexuals and Lesbians the same liberties they enjoy in the U.S., - where that 2 1/2% to 3% of our population now rule and reign.

This was his upside down and backward priority.

Without a vision, the people perish.

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Jul 28, 2014 20:07:23   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
bahmer,

the self-worth, self-actualization, self-realization craze has now indoctrinated three decades of our youth.

I had a thought in my office in September, 1991, and scribbled it inside a book I'd been reading; "In five years, or ten, Something evil this way comes."

After 9-11-2001, Media spokespeople repeatedly intoned what a moral, upright (even righteous) nation we were, and how undeserving we were of the vicious, sneak attack to which we had been subjected.

It is true that no nation and no people should suffer such an attack, however, as a nation, we are working overtime to deserve it.

In less than twenty years, our nation has progressed (if one can call it that) from a minimally ethical country and population, into a violent, godless, self-centered, materialistic House of Horrors, especially in our wide spread U.S. Government glorification of Abortion and sexual perversion, including Child-Porn.

We, as a nation, are sliding downhill at breathtaking speed, yet if asked today, those same announcers (or their replacements) would pontificate those same talking points as on 9-11.

Our President went to a world-meeting in Russia months ago, but instead of campaigning for world peace (or whatever), he demanded that Russia give all Homosexuals and Lesbians the same liberties they enjoy in the U.S., - where that 2 1/2% to 3% of our population now rule and reign.

This was his upside down and backward priority.

Without a vision, the people perish.
bahmer, br br the self-worth, self-actualization... (show quote)


Jesus said what "we deserve" in this life: his love, mercy, and forgiveness. There is a new order of restorative justice, ushering out that era of moral hogwash of retributive justice.

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Jul 28, 2014 20:10:00   #
rumitoid
 
Babylon is not some physical place or specific group; it is only of the heart, in the spiritual realm.

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Jul 29, 2014 01:43:16   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
rumitoid wrote:
Jesus said what "we deserve" in this life: his love, mercy, and forgiveness. There is a new order of restorative justice, ushering out that era of moral hogwash of retributive justice.


That would create a lawless society, i.e., anarchy.

Jesus said "unto Caesar, the things that are Caesars = courts, trials, verdicts, sentences.

"unto God, the things that are Gods," = love, mercy, forgiveness, salvation. (These are not "deserved," but received through God's grace.)

Neither can be eliminated "in this life," nor their roles interchanged.

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Jul 29, 2014 01:53:36   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
rumitoid wrote:
Babylon is not some physical place or specific group; it is only of the heart, in the spiritual realm.


Appealing as it may be to attempt to do so, God's prophecies cannot be reduced to some spiritual metaphor, removing their reality in time and space.

"Rather, let God be found true, though every man {be found} a liar," (Romans 3:4)

The prophecies of God are to take place physically, on this earth.

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Jul 29, 2014 10:44:53   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
bahmer,

the self-worth, self-actualization, self-realization craze has now indoctrinated three decades of our youth.

I had a thought in my office in September, 1991, and scribbled it inside a book I'd been reading; "In five years, or ten, Something evil this way comes."

After 9-11-2001, Media spokespeople repeatedly intoned what a moral, upright (even righteous) nation we were, and how undeserving we were of the vicious, sneak attack to which we had been subjected.

It is true that no nation and no people should suffer such an attack, however, as a nation, we are working overtime to deserve it.

In less than twenty years, our nation has progressed (if one can call it that) from a minimally ethical country and population, into a violent, godless, self-centered, materialistic House of Horrors, especially in our wide spread U.S. Government glorification of Abortion and sexual perversion, including Child-Porn.

We, as a nation, are sliding downhill at breathtaking speed, yet if asked today, those same announcers (or their replacements) would pontificate those same talking points as on 9-11.

Our President went to a world-meeting in Russia months ago, but instead of campaigning for world peace (or whatever), he demanded that Russia give all Homosexuals and Lesbians the same liberties they enjoy in the U.S., - where that 2 1/2% to 3% of our population now rule and reign.

This was his upside down and backward priority.

Without a vision, the people perish.
bahmer, br br the self-worth, self-actualization... (show quote)


How true and with the vision of the left or democrats of free love.

Prostitution, pornography, child porn, homosexuality, abortions etc. we are indeed going downhill.

We are a nation that has left out God in our daily lives. We have removed Him from our schools and public institutions. We have stopped saying the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools because of the phrase of one nation under God in it.

We are teaching our children about putting on condoms instead of math, we are teaching our children about gay love instead of history, we are teaching our children about all of the perversions that are available to them and not teaching reading.

We have allowed the Atheist Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to dictate to us and have not had the backbone to fight.

We are allowing less than 3% of the population dictate what is acceptable or not acceptable. We are allowing this same minority into our living rooms on the TV shouting that they are normal. We even have churches and denominations accepting their lifestyles. They are forcing themselves into the boy scouts and girl scouts. They are forcing themselves in schools and colleges.

We are no longer a righteous nation as we have become very sick and morally bankrupt. Our movies and entertainment industry has helped in the moral corruption of our once great nation.

We are receiving the judgement and wrath of God and liberal media does not see the correlation just as some on here will fail to see as well.

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Jul 29, 2014 14:24:55   #
robby1
 
Serenity54321 wrote:
The following is a copy and paste of an article posted by David Beiber. Throughout the years, prophecy teachers in the Christian religion have been teaching that the Mystery Babylon city spoken about in Revelation during the end of days must be rebuilt in the Middle East in order for Biblical prophecy to be fulfilled. Is that true? Or is the New Babylon already here?

Christians, (and skeptics with an open mind) please tell me what you think. (This article is lengthy, but worth the read):

AMERICA IS BABYLON
By David Beiber

"I know I’m probably wasting my breath and that very few will believe, but in the last days the Bible speaks of a dominant city-state that is a major center of commerce that will be destroyed in one hour. Mystery Babylon The Great. The churches will tell you it is referring to the Vatican in Rome. They are wrong.

To hold the view that this Babylon is referring to the Vatican, you must ignore about 98% of the Scriptures referring to it and hold to one verse that can be easily discredited because a misunderstanding of one term in one verse that can easily be clarified. That is how warped the whole Vatican theory is that most churches and prophecy 'gurus' preach today when it comes to Revelation chapters 17 and 18. Why? Why do they want the focus on somewhere else instead of where the Bible is really speaking of?

Again, very few will consider what I’m about to say, nor do I expect them to!
But do consider this: The prophets all warned of this coming Great Babylon. Let's look at what each one said about this great city state, which is the hindermost (youngest) of super powers, during the time of the end:

Isaiah said:
1. Babylon would be noted for its architecture, buildings and skyline (Isaiah 13:22)
2. It’s the lone super power of the world (Isaiah 47:5,8)
3. It’s the most respected and envied super power around the world and yet at the same time, it is hated by the world. (Isaiah 18:2)
4. It has a unique and remarkable beginning, different from all other nations and has been awe-inspiring from it's conception. (Isaiah 18:2).
5. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7)
6. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6)
7. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9). "LIBERTY" on our money, and sits in the New York Harbor.
8. Babylon is nation "peeled", or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).
9. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).
10. Babylon is a land that is measured out (by scales, weights, measures, balances) and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).
11. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).
12. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD
13. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14;
14. Babylon is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, that is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).
15. Babylon's governmental system breaks (Babylon = confusion/chaos) down (Isa 47:13).
16. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).
17. Babylon's leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).
18. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).
19. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).
20. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).
21. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).
22. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY
23. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD. (Isa 14:4-6)
24.Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa47:10, implied throughout).
25. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, her lands untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).9.
Babylon's enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world,over the poles (Isa 13:5)
26. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13,14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).
27. The people of Babylon would think they are God's elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8,
28. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47:8).
29. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7-8).
30. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and (pharmaceuticals) drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)
31. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).
32. Babylon's enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5)

Jeremiah prophesied:

1. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44)

2. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12). USA

3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18). USA

4. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23). USA

5. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41). USA

6. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).

7. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

8. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).

9. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

10. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).

11. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

12. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37). Think Kentucky

13. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).

14. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13)

15. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).

16. Babylon's skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).

17. Babylon has a huge space industry, has "mounted up to the heavens" (Jer 51:53).

18. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).

19. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).

20. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).

21. Babylon is nation filled with a "mingled" people (Jer 50:37).

22. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).

23. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12).

24. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).

25. Babylon's Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).

26. Babylon's Christian leaders are "strangers" in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).

27. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).

28. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12). (ENGLAND)

29. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).

30. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12). Follow the money, we are under total control of England's Banks, and have been since 1914

31. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).

32. Babylon is considered to be a lion's whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38).58.

33. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53). Who else has a space program as we do?

34. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).

35. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).

36. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)

37 .Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God's people (Jer 50:47;51:45).

38. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).

39. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).

40. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).

41. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).

42. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).

43. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)

44. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity(Jer 50:6, implied throughout).

45. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18).

46. How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! -Jeremiah 50:23

47. O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. The LORD of hosts hath sworn by himself, saying, Surely I will fill thee with men, as with caterpillars; and they shall lift up a shout against thee. -Jeremiah 51:12-14
48. Plays a leadership role in Outer Space Exploration (Jer. 51:3)
49. Is where the world's leaders meet and assemble (Jer. 51:44)
50. Incorporated many aspects of the old Babylonian religion (Jer. 50:2).
The Apostle John said in the Book of Revelation:
1. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)

2. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds (Rev 18:5).

3. The people of Babylon would think they are God's elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7).

4. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7).

5. Babylon will be destroyed by nuclear fire (Implied throughout)

6. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).

7. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13,14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).

8. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).
9. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4).

10. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).

11. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).

12. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).

13. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18:22).

14. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13).

15. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (Rev 18:22).

16. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12).

17. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23, implied throughout)

18. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).

19. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).

20. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).

21. Babylon turns upon its own people and imprisons and slays them by millions (Jer 50:7,33; 51:35; 39; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7;17:6; 18:24).

22. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).

23. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).

24. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2).

25. Babylon's Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).

26. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end by nuclear fire (Rev 18:2)

27. Babylon's leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).

28. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round(Rev 18:17-18).

29. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports (Rev 18:17-19).

30. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22).

31. Babylon's musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22)

32. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).

33. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13)

34. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

35. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

36. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).

37. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

38. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:44; Rev 17:18; 18:19).USA

39. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world (Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23). USA

40. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3). USA

41. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH (Rev 18:23). USA, all one need to do is look at the huge multi-national corporations that exist. American companies (merchants) the greatest on Earth.

42. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7; Rev 18:7). USA

43. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18). USA

44. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23). USA

45. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16).

46. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3). New York is the Financial Capital of the World.

47. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6).

48. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders (Rev 18:17). New York harbor is the biggest in theWorld.

49. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev 17:18). This can only be NEW YORK, where the United Nations sits.

50. Is considered intoxicating for it's high society lifestyle (Rev. 17:2, 18:3,23)
51. Is noted for its elegant and extravagant lifestyle (Rev. 18:14).
52. Is noted for being a city/nation of immigrants from all over the world (Rev. 18:15).
53. Is noted for a massive population (Rev. 18:15).
54. Is noted for its importation of drugs (Rev. 18:23).
55.Is the leading center of Commerce (Rev. 17:2)
56. Is the leading center of imports and consumption (Rev. 18:11)
57.Is a leading center of manufacturing (Rev. 18:22)
58. Is the center for world trade in gold, silver, copper, oil, precious gems, cloth, clothing, fashions, lumber, containers, household items, furniture, wine, livestock, transportation, health products, cosmetics, spices, marble, irony, and iron. (Rev. 18:11-13)

There is no other city or nation on earth that could fulfill these requirements other than the United States of America. There are some who hold to the view this passage is referring only to New York City. In fact, it refers to both NYC and the entire nation. The term "city" translated from the Greek means city-state or nation. In this instance, it refers to a nation led by its chief city, which is New York City (the first and original U.S. Capitol). So in some instances it is talking about New York City, and in others the nation itself. And if you're not convinced, go back and read all these prophecies again about the last great nation on earth.
The Bible Codes confirm that America is Babylon, and that the beasts coming will rule here, will be here, and will take over and destroy this country on their way to global rule from Jerusalem.
Isn't it amazing that there are over 100 prophecies that only one super power nation in the last days could fulfill and the churches tell you today that America isn't mentioned in last days prophecies? Insane.
Neither does the Vatican fulfill these prophecies, Europe, or anyone else. The Lone Super Power now is the United States, and in the last days, which we are in, the lone super power of the world remains the United States. There isn't enough time for another nation to rise and fulfill all these requirements and become the lone super power of the world. Many scholars claim that the Roman Catholic Church is Mystery Babylon based on one verse in Revelation Chapter 17 that has been misunderstood by them. Mystery Babylon is the United States folks. And once you realize this, you soon learn how dominant America is in last days prophecies and what the truth is in regards to them.
Let's look at Revelation Chapter 17:
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials and talked with me saying unto me, 'Come hither; and I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (verse 1)
The Apostle John is told by one of the seven angels holding the seven vials (known as the 7 bowl judgments) that he is going to show him the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters. The term whore is in reference to the Greek word "porne" which in English we use for pornography. In Greek it is also used for improper sexual relations which could mean anything sexual that occurs outside of marriage. To the Jews who consider their relationship with God as a marriage, then the term could also be used worshiping another god or deity. In other words, idol worship.
Another thought is the fact that this nation has gone outside God and has aligned itself with someone or something else. In America, Satanism and witchcraft have become dominant, not to mention their alignment with Aliens and the forces of Satan in exchange for technology. America has over 129 deep underground military bases. How many of them are being used as joint military-alien (demonic / occultic) bases? At least 32 including the Dulce Base in Dulce, New Mexico, Area 51 in Nevada, Los Alamos in Taos, New Mexico, and many others across the country.
The sentence "sitteth upon many waters" in Strongs it's #5204 which is figurative for many peoples. America is the melting pot of the world as far as immigration. We also are surrounded by fresh water from the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, the Great Lakes, and the Gulf of Mexico. Not to mention the many lakes, streams and rivers throughout this country. But the term 'waters' in relation to symbolism and Bible prophecy usually relates to people.
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication (verse 2).
This verse coincides with what Jeremiah said in 51:7 "Babylon has been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken her wine; therefore the nations are mad."
America has influenced the other nations of the earth to partake in her fornication. They are drunk with the wine of her fornication. They are filled with God's wrath as they partake in America's fornication which is adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc. and also idol worship. Worshiping things outside and contrary to the Lord.
America is steeped in its masonic heritage with its masonic and satanic idols and symbols all over the land from the statue of Liberty to the dollar bill.
Not only are the many perversions here spreading across the world, but the kings of other nations have also been negotiating their own treaties with the aliens and Satan's forces to gain technology from them.
The Christian nations, or what were considered at one time to be Christian nations, have turned their backs on God and have climbed in bed with the devil. This gives him access and authority to rule over these nations and he's overtaken them all as he prepares to come to earth as the Antichrist. Even the Gentile nations have secretly gotten involved with the greed of having their own UFO technology.
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wildernesss: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns (verse 3).
The woman is sitting on the beast. She's dominating the red colored beast that is full of names of blasphemy and has seven heads and ten horns.
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth as revealed further down in verse 9. The term mountains in symbolism can refer to a land mass or a political authority. In this instance, she sits in authority over 7 mountains, or land masses. The Seven continents. The final "Rome", the final great empire of the earth, will rule the earth, literally. The last great empire on earth will rule over all the continents on it. How? Economics, refer to Revelation 13 where the entire world must join the beast economic policy that originates from Babylon. Or, the United Nations that dominates and rules over the continents of the earth.
Horns are symbolic of leaders. It could be signifying a 10 nation confederacy that America is in alignment with, or 10 leaders, a council, that rules and dominates. We have also seen where the United Nations has divided the world up into 10 spheres, and plan for a leader to each sphere.
Still yet, Babylon sits on top of the UN and dominates her. Babylon the whore, dominates the beast and his 7 heads and 10 horns.
And the woman was arrayed in purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication (verse 4).
The woman is dressed in purple and scarlet. In symbolic term purple represents royalty and in the last days, red represents the false Jews, the Edomites, and/or the isms such as communism, socialism, fascism, etc..
Gold and jewelry signifies her wealth. The woman is seen as royalty. What does royalty have? Wealth, power, and authority and she contains Edomites and/or one of the isms. John even describes "having a golden cup in her hand" which is a trademark of the Statue of Liberty which was originally designed to hold a cup, but was changed to hold a torch instead to be a light in the harbor for ships for navigation. Cup is also used as a term for judgment. The term abominations means moral or physical pollutions. It is also just another term for sin. Abominations are sins. Fornication means impurity and/or idolatry. Idolatry in her unholy relationship with Satan, secret societies, aliens and fallen angels. America has many idolatries. She is filled with them.
A nation holding a cup. She is holding judgment (perhaps meting out judgment on others as policeman of the world) filled with her many idolatries not to mention treaties with unholy Satanic alien beings. Yep, this sounds like America. Have we stooped this low? Yes.
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (verse 5).
I view this verse a bit differently than most. The term Mystery always seems to have an occultic connotation to it. Or it can mean a secret. In this instance I think we can let it speak for itself since it is in regards to unholy Satanic ridden Babylon in that it is a mystery is in regards to the occult. Or even that it operates, secretly (although getting more out in the open) through satanic secret societies that worship the devil. Not to mention the shadow government that operates behind the scenes in alliance with Lucifer and his alien forces.
In other words, Mystery, or Occultic Babylon the Great. The term harlots is another term used for prostitutes. These kinds of terms are almost used in regards to religious terms. I have seen in the Bible Codes where the Hebrews use the term such as prostitution for those who prostitute the Bible. It has a religious and sexual meaning. But in this instance, I am led to believe it is the religious one.
America, the Mother of Prostitutes. The Mother of all those who prostitute the Word of God, or Him. Some of you cannot fathom the idea that America is this evil. You hold this country in high esteem with all its pastors and religious leaders, our churches, radio and television networks that seemingly teach and preach His Word and about Him to the world. But once you get away from the religious programming and start seeking Him for the truth you realize how evil our religious system is and how these false doctrines that most of our religious leaders and churches teach today are leading people to the pit of hell and not to HIM. And until you do that you will not understand the significance of this verse. These prostitutes are the false prophets and false shepherds leading this country, and going out into the world, evangelizing and leading people to the pit of hell instead of to Him. They are preaching a false gospel and a different Jesus than the one He came here as. Yahweh told me, "They proclaim My Name, but they know Me not!" It is that horrifying and that simple.
And if this isn't enough to prove to you that this entire passage of Scripture is talking about America, read the book America, The Babylon by R.A. Coombes as he goes into an in depth study on our masonic Statue of Liberty (a representation of the goddess Ishtar) that alone fulfills all the identifying characteristics of this Babylon of the future. It will shock you to learn that the founding of this country from the start had its roots in occultic origins. Not to mention the layout of Washington D.C. and the capital-temple of D.C. dedicated to the goddess Ishtar when constructed.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration" (verse 6).
America is intoxicated, drunken with the blood of the Saints. And you thought this was a religious nation? Things are going to change. Through martial law and the targeting of the saints through Patriot Acts 1 and 2, tens of thousands, even millions will be killed and become martyrs for the Lord.
Since the 1980s under Operation Rex our government has built internment camps across the country to hold 'resistors of the New World Order." All those it deems, through their massive profiling over the years, who will resist the rule of the NWO. This fulfills Jeremiah's prophecies about the last nation building internment camps and slaughtering millions of its own people.
When disasters start to strike this country and cities start going under martial law, they will implement their plans of eliminating Saints and Patriots who they have profiled and listed as being likely resistors of the New World Order. How did they compile their lists? Church records of members (who are required to give the state lists of all those who tithe to them or give them money). Also various other ways, simply put, they spy on people. They spy on what you read, what websites you visit, what groups you belong to, etc.. They even record your phone conversations and read your emails. Over the years the NSA and FBI have compiled records on just about every person in the United States. And from these records they have compiled extermination lists and have you targeted by your social security number.
Now do you realize the real reason for road blocks? When they want to target those on red lists (immediate extermination) they will set up road blocks to find them. When they stop your car they will run your SSN# to see if you are on the list. There are 3 lists, red, blue and green (some say it's yellow). Those on the red list are to be arrested and taken to an extermination facility immediately, no questions asked. Those on the blue list are taken to holding camps where they will be processed for extermination. Those on the green list are considered to be NWO friendly and not a threat.
The Satanic New World Order crowd fully intends on killing up to 60 million Americans to establish their control here in America without the hassles from possible resistors. And they have the facilities and capability to do so. And they did it all with taxpayer money and under the noses of the people.
When it says John wondered at her "with great admiration" it is not that he was impressed, he was flabbergasted! In the literal Greek translation it reads, "I was astonished beyond astonishment." He is disgusted at the ability, scope, and depth to which the saints will be murdered in America.
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou Marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns" (verse 7).
In the previous verse it said the woman sits on the beast. In this one it says the beast carries her. Pretty much it means the same thing. Picture a horse and it's rider.
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names are not written into the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is" (verse 8).
This verse is a verb nightmare. It goes back and forth between the past, present and future. The Beast is going to come out of the bottomless pit, which is the abyss, which is space. An "alien." Those on the earth, who are not Yahweh's, will fall into the deception and lies that this alien speaks and worship him. If you read my previous book on the False Prophet and NESARA agenda of the Omegans, you will recognize an alien called Maitreya, St. Germaine, St. Sananda, whatever name he uses that comes as the False Prophet. He will come proclaiming He is Jesus, the Messiah, (or whatever prophet each religion in the world is waiting for to come). He will deceive them all. When the Antichrist comes he will come as "God the Father." The false prophet "Jesus" will decieve the world into worshipping the "Father" Antichrist.
and here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (verse 9).
Ok so we already know this from the previous verse. The seven head of the beast are seven mountains. This one verse is what throws most people off into thinking it is referring to the Vatican. The area of the Vatican is surrounded by 7 hills, not mountains. There are no mountains in Rome, if you were to take the term literal. In this instance, it is symbolic because we are being told that the woman sitting on the beast has authority over the entire world, all 7 continents. Something no previous empire had ever accomplished. Also, the term beast is masculine. It is referring to a person.
The woman rides the beast. Her power is unchallenged. She's in control of this beast. The woman is a nation. What kind of power? In economics, military, and influence. She is a lone super power.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come: and when he cometh he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is an eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (verses 10 and 11).
These seven kings represent the 7 empires of the past and the "present" as in relating to John's time, which is approximately 90 A.D. or sometime towards the end of that century. Some put John's book anywhere from 78 to 98 A.D.
The ruling empires of the past were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece. At John's time, the ruling empire was Rome.
So what is the seventh ruling empire? The beast is from the seventh and becomes the eighth himself. I believe the New World Order is the seventh and the NWO is being dominated and run by America. The beast comes out of the 7th great ruling empire. America is the lone super power today. There is no other empire since ancient Rome that has dominated the earth as America has. Notice the beast is a king. It is the Antichrist that comes from the last great ruling empire on earth, America.
And the ten horns which you sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings for one hour with the beast.
These shall have one mind, and shall give their power and strength to the beast.
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them for He is Lord of lords, and King of Kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful (verses 12-14).
The 10 horns are 10 kings who receive power as kings for a short time with the beast. The Greek word used, "basileis" doesn't always refer to kings in particular, but to leaders. They have no kingdom as of yet. In other words, they are representatives or ambassadors from other countries who become appointed by the beast as those countries "kings."
So what happened to the 10 countries previous kings? It doesn't say. But they are replaced by these new ones. Or, perhaps, since they have no kingdom, they are appointed as an interim leader over a particular area or kingdom as a representative of the beast.
In other words, the beast creates a council of 10 people and each of these people becomes a representative for him over a particular country. Or, as with the UN who has on paper already divided the world up into 10 areas, each king becomes a leader/representative of one of these areas.
The passage says these kings all have one mind and give their power to the beast. This means they are all in agreement with each other and give their power and strength to the beast. They form an alliance. They give him control or full support of their militaries and financial backing.
So we have 10 people, who are awarded control of 10 countries, and then they give that countries military and full support to the Antichrist beast. Doesn't make sense does it? But that is what happens.
And what do all these geniuses decide to do? To make war with the Lamb, the real Messiah Jesus Christ, Yahushua. They proclaim war on the Son of God.
Not too bright are they?
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (verse 15)..
The angel is telling John that the waters where the whore sits contains people of all nations, races and languages. These people are in her land. In other words, where the whore rules from, contains people of all races and languages. It contains immigrants from around the world. America is the only nation in the world ever referred to as the melting pot for exiles and immigrants.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked. And shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled (verses 16-17).

Ok, now remember the beast is a person, masculine tense, the whore is a nation. The Beast comes OUT of the nation. He's from the nation itself. He goes and makes a 10 nation alliance, to destroy his own nation.
Why? Because he's a traitor? Well yes, but also because he subverted it to begin with as a leader/president so he could do exactly what he's going to do, turn around and destroy it.
He rises to political authority through America, perhaps as the President of the United States, then makes an agreement and an alliance with the heads of 10 other countries to destroy his own country.
Remember, the woman (nation) rides the beast. She controls him. He hates her, (the nation) and so burns with her fire.
Doesn't make sense does it? Probably not. But this is what happens. As president he makes her desolate and naked. He makes her desolate through the murder of thousands, perhaps millions of the saints, then pulls her defenses down so she can be attacked and destroyed.
Another thing is this. One of the things I have seen over and over in the Bible Codes is that when the President of the United States originally dies (Rev. 13), a formal state funeral is given and he is replaced as president by someone else. When he comes back as "God" but we know him as Satan incarnate as man, the Antichrist, he no longer has a position of authority. Someone else has already replaced him as president. Besides, when he comes back the False Prophet claims this beast arriving is "God" returning to earth to build his kingdom on earth, so that changes things quite a bit on the world scene.
The theatrics involved with bringing the former president of the USA back to earth as God would warrant an Oscar nomination. It involves technology from a gramophone at the space station to announce his arrival to theatrical light and image effects from H.A.A.R.P. This whole charade is known as the Blue Beam Project and they have been working on perfecting it for years.
All of this stuff has been well planned in advance. In fact, it is American taxpayer money and the illegal sale of drugs and child pornography that has funded not only the preparation and the coming war on the saints, but the arrival of Satan as God in a spectacular display of technology with light and sound affects all the way from space to the earth.
From what I have seen, when he returns he is at odds with the person who replaced him as president of the United States. They do not get along. I don't know if he stays in America, but we know what he does when he comes back. He makes an alliance with 10 other people, appoints them as leaders of the countries they are from or UN spheres, and then destroys and attacks America.
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth (verse 18).
Remember the term city also means nation. So it can be a literal city, or the chief city inside of a nation, or the nation itself. In this instance it's back to New York City itself and speaking of the United Nations, which by then, might be in rule over the nations of the earth. Right now it's a joke. But that could change.
If not, then it would be referring to Washington D.C. the political capitol of Babylon and the governing center of the New World Order.
I don't think the Scriptures were unclear about who the last days Babylon was going to be. I don't think you could describe America any better than this. Why won't your church leaders tell you? Because they are the Harlots in cahoots with the devil to keep you in the dark or just plain ignorant of what the Bible really says. If you could read over the 100 prophecies describing the end times nation in power and recognize it as America, why can't they? Get out of the churches and back into Yahweh. The last days churches as signified by the church of Laodicea in Revelation chapter 3 are not of Him. He is seen standing outside the door of them. In other words, HE IS NOT IN THEM."
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In the Bible the nation of Babylon Was the first world power. All powers before that were different tribes. They would war with each other. Then Nebuchadnezzar fought and took over as the first world power. After that the Medes and Persians fought and took power. After that Alexander the great beat the Medes and Persians and became the world power. Then The Jews fought and tried to take over. The Jews called on the Romans to help them. The romans beat the Greeks and stayed in power through the time of Jesus. We still have the romans in power through the Roman catholic church. When Jesus died on the cross everything changed. That is when The Spiritual church of God started. Jesus was the Chief cornerstone. The foundation was the Old testament Prophets and the Apostles. In order to understand The Bible and what it is talking about You must be taught by the Holy Spirit. Salvation is The Holy Spirit teaching all who are saved The mysteries of Gods word. God was using Babylon as an example of world power. It was a Spiritual picture of the world today. God is no respecter of Persons. When He talks about Babylon today it includes the whole sinful world. In the book of First John Chapter 2 verse 18 thru 23. God Gave us three examples of world destruction. The first was in Noah's day. Noah and his family were pictures of the saved. Eight is a number in a Spiritual sense that means new beginning. Jesus was Cercumcised on the eighth day. In the old Testament certain feasts were given eight days to celebrate. The eighth day being a high holy day. These eighth days were a picture of Eternity to come when God destroys everything and makes all things new. God uses Babylon as a picture of The whole world as that Great City. God gives a description of all the things that can't be bought and sold in that great city. A lot of those thing are not produced in the United States. God is only interested in the saved of this world. God gave another example of how He would destroy the world. In Noah's day God used water to Judge the world. Water was a synonym of the Word of God. In the days of Sodom and Gomorrah God used fire to destroy those cities. Jesus talks about It in the new testament. He gives examples of the last days and compares them with end times. He said the old world was destroyed by water. This world will be destroyed by fire. 2 Peter chap 3. According to this Scripture He will come as a thief in the night and the world and it's work will be burned up. If that is the case I don't know what word Jesus will rule for a thousand years. This one won't be here. The Lamb's book is a last will and testament and all the names in that book will be saved. We must compare Scripture with Scripture and Spiritual things with Spiritual. God said it I didn't. It takes a long time for the Holy Spirit to teach this in a Spiritual mode not in a logical mode.

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Jul 30, 2014 06:29:40   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
bahmer wrote:
How true and with the vision of the left or democrats of free love.

Prostitution, pornography, child porn, homosexuality, abortions etc. we are indeed going downhill.

We are a nation that has left out God in our daily lives. We have removed Him from our schools and public institutions. We have stopped saying the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools because of the phrase of one nation under God in it.

We are teaching our children about putting on condoms instead of math, we are teaching our children about gay love instead of history, we are teaching our children about all of the perversions that are available to them and not teaching reading.

We have allowed the Atheist Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to dictate to us and have not had the backbone to fight.

We are allowing less than 3% of the population dictate what is acceptable or not acceptable. We are allowing this same minority into our living rooms on the TV shouting that they are normal. We even have churches and denominations accepting their lifestyles. They are forcing themselves into the boy scouts and girl scouts. They are forcing themselves in schools and colleges.

We are no longer a righteous nation as we have become very sick and morally bankrupt. Our movies and entertainment industry has helped in the moral corruption of our once great nation.

We are receiving the judgement and wrath of God and liberal media does not see the correlation just as some on here will fail to see as well.
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Excellent synopsis, bahmer, - it sounds like Babylon to me! :!: :!:

I saw the new D'Souza film, America, today. What a surreal experience!

Returning home, I felt as if I'd just attended a wake for an old, beloved friend, the United States of America, I'd known as a child.

The film is excellent in every aspect, but the America that D'Souza so lovingly portrays, and desperately seeks to save, IS already gone, it no longer exists.

What watching the film did was to evoke the most profound sense of nostalgia, for that which once was, and never will be again.

Shattering through the last thin veneer of denial, to which I was clinging, that film finally brought home to me the brutal truth; that America is but a memory.

The idyllic scenes, captured on film, of America in all stages of her growth as a nation, is not the America we live in today, for we have already become, and are, the biblically prophesized "Daughter of Babylon."

- other than that, it was an excellent film!

I recommend it. Please go.

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Jul 30, 2014 09:31:46   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
Excellent synopsis, bahmer, - it sounds like Babylon to me! :!: :!:

I saw the new D'Souza film, America, today. What a surreal experience!

Returning home, I felt as if I'd just attended a wake for an old, beloved friend, the United States of America, I'd known as a child.

The film is excellent in every aspect, but the America that D'Souza so lovingly portrays, and desperately seeks to save, IS already gone, it no longer exists.

What watching the film did was to evoke the most profound sense of nostalgia, for that which once was, and never will be again.

Shattering through the last thin veneer of denial, to which I was clinging, that film finally brought home to me the brutal truth; that America is but a memory.

The idyllic scenes, captured on film, of America in all stages of her growth as a nation, is not the America we live in today, for we have already become, and are, the biblically prophesized "Daughter of Babylon."

- other than that, it was an excellent film!

I recommend it. Please go.
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I would like to go and take my two grandchildren with me. One is starting to drive and the other is just entering into middle school. I don't know if it is beyond them or not. After having seen it what would you recommend as to the minimum age to view and get something from the film?

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Jul 30, 2014 14:13:49   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
bahmer wrote:
How true and with the vision of the left or democrats of free love.
Im so glad that you ONLY blame liberates and democrats. It's heartening to hear the conservs and republicans had absolutely no roll in your paranoia. I'd hate to think that the "righteous-wrong" had anything to do with our country's alleged demise. You sound like you're really good at pointing fingers. Just know, for every one of your four fingers you point toward the others you blame, there are three left that point back toward you.

Prostitution, pornography, child porn, homosexuality, abortions etc. we are indeed going downhill.
All are alive and doing well under ANY political administration.

We are a nation that has left out God in our daily lives. We have removed Him from our schools and public institutions. We have stopped saying the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools because of the phrase of one nation under God in it.
God hasn't been left out of anyone's daily lives; if they so choose to want Him in their lives. How has He been removed from our schools and institutions? Kids still say the "Pledge" everyday, at least where my grand kids attend. Kids still pray in schools, too. It just isn't as a class because there are kids that have other religious beliefs that, over the years were made to feel left-out, or were oustrisized because they didn't participate. Making a child feel bad because he isn't being raised as a Christian is good to your way of thinking? That's not showing any Christian love, nor is it "loving your neighbor as yourself," or "doing unto others as you'd do to yourself."

We are teaching our children about putting on condoms instead of math, we are teaching our children about gay love instead of history, we are teaching our children about all of the perversions that are available to them and not teaching reading.
Such BS, here. The kids HAVE to be taught math and history. To complain about condoms is really sad, too. You're making the exception into the rule. Very few school districts teach kids how to put on condoms. But, this indicates where you have a double-standard. Why don't YOU teach your kids how to put a condom on? Why don't YOU teach your kids about sex and the consequences thereof? Why don't YOU teach your kids that IF they should succumb to their raging hormones, that the result most likely could be a baby? You need to pull your head out of the sand any realize that kids are curious about sex and WILL have sex. If you want to think that your kids would never do something like that, just look at the number of un-wed, teenage mothers we have in out country. And, they didn't become pregnant via the Holy Spirit, either. Personally, i WANT the kids to get educated about sex, in school. That's where it does the most good. If you parents won't do it, how else will your kids learn, except by having sex on their dates? You're failures as parents should be laid at the feet of the schools.

Plus, I find it very hypocritical that the only time you care about kids is when they're fetuses. Once born, you crab incessantly about having to help care for them. It goes back to educating kids about sex and condoms. Why not try to take the problem and "nip it in the bud?"

We have allowed the Atheist Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to dictate to us and have not had the backbone to fight.
I'm not the ACLU's most ardent supporter, but, it's main goal is to protect the Bill of Rights, on EVERYONE's behalf, not just Christians.

We are allowing less than 3% of the population dictate what is acceptable or not acceptable. We are allowing this same minority into our living rooms on the TV shouting that they are normal. We even have churches and denominations accepting their lifestyles. They are forcing themselves into the boy scouts and girl scouts. They are forcing themselves in schools and colleges.
If you don't want to watch or listen to those shows, there is a button on your remote that, once pushed, will take you to different channels or stations. I've seen and heard several "religiously-based" shows on TV and the radio. Most of them will even broadcast information that will add to your paranoia.

We are no longer a righteous nation as we have become very sick and morally bankrupt. Our movies and entertainment industry has helped in the moral corruption of our once great nation.
The answer to this is similar to the point above, don't go to those movies. There are several other venues that will appeal to your tastes.

We are receiving the judgement and wrath of God and liberal media does not see the correlation just as some on here will fail to see as well.
How true and with the vision of the left or democr... (show quote)

IF we are receiving any wrath from God, perhaps it's because many of us don't follow the "Greatest Commandment." It's short, concise and to the point. Yet most of us "Christians" completely ignore it, and instead, choose to believe ourselves ALWAYS in the right; when our actions and thoughts demonstrate the exact opposite.

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