To avoid the need to scroll past the OP, I decided to just hit "reply."

My impression of the letter was of a perpetuation of dis-information. Admittedly, I didn't check every Biblical quote noted in the letter, but 2 items stood out immediately; references to aviation and automobiles, neither of which were around in Biblical times. This led me to believe the letter is just another persons attempt to say that the End Times are now. Even the Christ said He didn't know when the End would come. How are mear men to figure it all out?

It must be noted that Babylon, throughout the Bible, is a symbol of carnal pride and enmity against the eternal God. There are no less than three Babylons in scripture: (1) the literal Babylon here spoken of, (2) the spiritual Babylon, identified as the beast coming up out of the earth in Revelation 13, and (3) Babylon the Great, also called Mystery Babylon the Great, which was defined by Leon Morris as, "Man in organized community, and opposed to God."[9] This Babylon, in short is urban civilization in its corporate rebellion against Almighty God. It is given three names in Revelation 11:8, where it is called Egypt, Sodom, and Jerusalem (where the Lord was crucified); but it is not a single city anywhere on earth; it is all the cities of mankind, where are entrenched the luxuries, the godlessness, the sensual pleasures, the wickedness, the pride, arrogance and atheism which were the essential characteristics of the first Babylon. The three Babylons are: Ancient Babylon, The Apostate Christian Church, and Godless Urban Civilization.

To identify Babylon as America is straight out of the writings of Nostradamus with an infusion of mis-interpreted Bible passages to buttress the author's premise.

To avoid the need to scroll past the OP, I decided to just hit "reply."

My impression of the letter was of a perpetuation of dis-information. Admittedly, I didn't check every Biblical quote noted in the letter, but 2 items stood out immediately; references to aviation and automobiles, neither of which were around in Biblical times. This led me to believe the letter is just another persons attempt to say that the End Times are now. Even the Christ said He didn't know when the End would come. How are mear men to figure it all out?

It must be noted that Babylon, throughout the Bible, is a symbol of carnal pride and enmity against the eternal God. There are no less than three Babylons in scripture: (1) the literal Babylon here spoken of, (2) the spiritual Babylon, identified as the beast coming up out of the earth in Revelation 13, and (3) Babylon the Great, also called Mystery Babylon the Great, which was defined by Leon Morris as, "Man in organized community, and opposed to God."[9] This Babylon, in short is urban civilization in its corporate rebellion against Almighty God. It is given three names in Revelation 11:8, where it is called Egypt, Sodom, and Jerusalem (where the Lord was crucified); but it is not a single city anywhere on earth; it is all the cities of mankind, where are entrenched the luxuries, the godlessness, the sensual pleasures, the wickedness, the pride, arrogance and atheism which were the essential characteristics of the first Babylon. The three Babylons are: Ancient Babylon, The Apostate Christian Church, and Godless Urban Civilization.

To identify Babylon as America is straight out of the writings of Nostradamus with an infusion of mis-interpreted Bible passages to buttress the author's premise.

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The other two questions I have for you are these:

The Bible goes through great pains to mention the empires of the world, in order. There was one (singular) empire yet to come, which was described as "part iron and part clay". Throughout the years, Biblical scholars have made educated guesses (that's what they were, guesses) about who the last empire was or will be. If the Bible is 100% accurate in its past and future prophesies, why is the USA inexplicably left out? Why are all the other major empires of the world accurately and painstakingly described, but the hugest empire of the last 200 years simply "not mentioned"? That NEVER made sense to me.

I do not necessarily think the end times are today. The Jewish Temple has yet to be rebuilt, and there needs to be a bloody war between the north and the south in the Middle East (Daniel 12).

But I have a hard time thinking Mystery Babylon is a vague "people's". It is not described in the Bible as such.

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Serenity,
Please note, this is MY view. There are others that may have different ones. I'm not claiming to understand all there is to know about the Bible, but I do have MY beliefs. Perhaps one could classify interpretations as being a part of "Free Will."

Let's look at this another way. Look at Rev 17 & part of 18. It says,
"Revelation 17
The Woman on the Beast
[17:1] One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. [2] With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
[3] Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. [4] The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. [5] This title was written on her forehead:

"MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[6] I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. [7] Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. [8] The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
[9] “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. [10] They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. [11] The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
[12] “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. [13] They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. [14] They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
[15] Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. [16] The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. [17] For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. [18] The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

"Revelation 18
The Fall of Babylon
[18:1] After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. [2] With a mighty voice he shouted:
“Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons
and a haunt for every evil spirit,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
[3] For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
[4] Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
[5] for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
[6] Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Mix her a double portion from her own cup.
[7] Give her as much torture and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit as queen; I am not a widow,
and I will never mourn.'
[8] Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
[9] “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. [10] Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
“‘Woe! Woe, O great city,


Babylon, the prostitute appears, representing the seductions of the world (17:4; 18:3). Her corruption is contrasted with the purity of the bride of the Lamb (19:7-9). Babylon encompasses the worship of the godless world. By contrast, the bride (the church) represents the worshipers of the true God. Just as Satan, the beast and the false prophet form a counterfeit trinity (see notes on 13:1-10,11-18), so Babylon is a counterfeit church that seduces the world to allegiance to the counterfeit trinity. Satan attacks the saints in two main ways: (1) The beast attacks with power and persecution, endeavoring to destroy the witness of the saints and to force them to worship the beast, and (2) Babylon attacks with seduction, endeavoring to destroy the purity of the saints.
Many theologians believe "Babylon" stands for the city of Rome with its immorality. For the "seven churches of Revelation," Rome was the source of all manner of idolatry-not only the worship of the Roman only the worship of the Roman emperor, but also the structures of an idolatrous society. The paganism of the cities of Asia Minor made each into a small manifestation of Rome. Full economic and social participation (13:17) involved attendance at idol feasts and pagan religious celebrations. Worship of the emperor was an expected expression of political allegiance. Pagans called Christians “atheists” because Christians did not worship the many gods, and they accused believers of hating humankind because Christians withdrew from compromised forms of social life (1Pe 2:12; 4:3-4). In reaction to this pressure, some professing Christians argued that participation in idolatrous feasts and sexual immorality was acceptable (2:12,20; 1Co 6:12-20). The woman Jezebel mentioned in 2:20-23 was a key seducer whose work is generalized and more deeply symbolized in Babylon the prostitute. Modern cities may also be centers of seduction to idolatry and sexual immorality. Thus, the symbolism of Babylon is capable of multiple embodiments, including a final, climactic embodiment just before the second coming.

Much of the imagery fits well the character of Jerusalem before its destruction. By refusing to accept the Messiah, she became a prostitute, as had happened in the Old Testament (Isa 1:21; Eze 16,23; Ho 2). Rev 11:8 links Jerusalem with Sodom and Egypt. A few interpreters favor identifying Babylon the prostitute with Jerusalem. But Jerusalem was only one instance of a society seducing people away from true worship. In Old Testament times ancient Babylon was another such city, and accordingly Revelation takes up the language of the Old Testament prophetic condemnations of Babylon and Tyre (Je 50-51; Eze 27-28). Rev 17:9 and 18 are most naturally understood as allusions to Rome, not Jerusalem.

The prostitute is borne up by a hideous beast (evidently the same beast as in 13:1-10). The beast, representing the Roman Empire, supports the city of Rome in its luxurious idolatry. It also spreads the practices of Rome throughout the empire. Eventually, however, the beast turns against the prostitute and destroys her (17:16-17). The rapacious powers of Roman government and the Roman legions destroyed prosperity, and eventually the military powers of surrounding tribes completely destroyed the city of Rome.

The lesson from Roman times can be generalized: Idolatrous states end up destroying the very powers, riches, privileges and people that they start out supporting. False worship is self-destructive. When the destruction of false worship is complete (17:1-18:24), the true worshipers (the bride of the Lamb) stand out in their splendor and joy (19:1-10).

In my opinion, for people, today, to conclude that these passages are referencing America, are looking at politicizing Christianity to meet their agenda. Jesus said to, give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Jesus wasn't taking away from Rome at this time. He knew that Rome would fall in due time, just like He said the Temple would be torn down with not a stone left standing.

As I said before, those who say the 2nd Coming is upon us, must then claim to know more than the Son of God. Even He said He didn't know the timing of the 2nd Coming.

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Well written. Amen.

In your interpretation, the final empire mentioned as "part iron and part clay" is representative of the entire world? That it is a reflection of the UN, perhaps, or the beast government? If the harlot on the beasts back is simply a representation of debauchery, then is she to be removed from the timeline of Revolution prophecy? She is not a literal city, but a spiritual one?

Of course no one knows the day or the hour. But God did give prophecies to Daniel, Ezekiel, John the Baptist, and others so that we could read the SIGNS of the times. Otherwise he would not have provided them.

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True. Also, "...there will be wars and rumors of wars...," given as signs. Again, it's all in how one wishes to interpret the Scriptures' "signs" of the impending 2nd coming. Remember, too, in the past several years, there have been many "spiritual leaders" who have dated the 2nd coming, only to have had to revise their calculations. Also, many have committed suicide so their souls could be taken into the space ships going to Heaven. The Bible also warns us of many false prophets and teachers AND false Messiahs.

The Bible's imagery can be projected into any number of current political events. After all, Revelation IS about the 2nd Coming; the destruction of evil empires, Christ's kingdom being set up, and the New Earth. Of course, people will look for signs like that. Even the Jews of the day were looking for their Messiah to free them from Rome's tyranny - and still are looking for Him to arrive.

But, Christ didn't come for that. He came, according to God's plan, to be a final sacrifice for mankind's sins, so that whosoever believes in Him shall have eternal life (live with God, forever, in Heaven, after a bodily death on Earth).

My interpretation of the "part iron, part clay," is referencing those, throughout the world, strong in Christ and those weak in Christ. Of course, iron does rust, but in the Bible's literary-imagery metaphors, compared to clay, it's much stronger. Hence, the reference to those strong in Christ.

The harlot riding the backs of the beasts represent the very real sinfulness of those who reject Christ; not a city, per se, but the collection of those who reject Christ. Yes, in my opinion, and according to the Scriptures (if I've read them right), she goes away.

Remember, too, that John wrote this as Rome was the dominate geo-political power of the western world. It was full of sin and debauchery and Christians were being persecuted left and right. It stands to reason that his Babylon was really his Rome.

Interesting conversation! I'm really enjoying it! It's far, far better than exchanging blows over politics! Thanks for allowing it!

The following is a copy and paste of an article posted by David Beiber. Throughout the years, prophecy teachers in the Christian religion have been teaching that the Mystery Babylon city spoken about in Revelation during the end of days must be rebuilt in the Middle East in order for Biblical prophecy to be fulfilled. Is that true? Or is the New Babylon already here?

Christians, (and skeptics with an open mind) please tell me what you think. (This article is lengthy, but worth the read):

AMERICA IS BABYLON
By David Beiber

"I know I’m probably wasting my breath and that very few will believe, but in the last days the Bible speaks of a dominant city-state that is a major center of commerce that will be destroyed in one hour. Mystery Babylon The Great. The churches will tell you it is referring to the Vatican in Rome. They are wrong.

To hold the view that this Babylon is referring to the Vatican, you must ignore about 98% of the Scriptures referring to it and hold to one verse that can be easily discredited because a misunderstanding of one term in one verse that can easily be clarified. That is how warped the whole Vatican theory is that most churches and prophecy 'gurus' preach today when it comes to Revelation chapters 17 and 18. Why? Why do they want the focus on somewhere else instead of where the Bible is really speaking of?

Again, very few will consider what I’m about to say, nor do I expect them to!
But do consider this: The prophets all warned of this coming Great Babylon. Let's look at what each one said about this great city state, which is the hindermost (youngest) of super powers, during the time of the end:

Isaiah said:
1. Babylon would be noted for its architecture, buildings and skyline (Isaiah 13:22)
2. It’s the lone super power of the world (Isaiah 47:5,8)
3. It’s the most respected and envied super power around the world and yet at the same time, it is hated by the world. (Isaiah 18:2)
4. It has a unique and remarkable beginning, different from all other nations and has been awe-inspiring from it's conception. (Isaiah 18:2).
5. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7)
6. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6)
7. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9). "LIBERTY" on our money, and sits in the New York Harbor.
8. Babylon is nation "peeled", or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).
9. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).
10. Babylon is a land that is measured out (by scales, weights, measures, balances) and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).
11. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).
12. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD
13. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14;
14. Babylon is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, that is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).
15. Babylon's governmental system breaks (Babylon = confusion/chaos) down (Isa 47:13).
16. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).
17. Babylon's leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).
18. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).
19. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).
20. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).
21. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).
22. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY
23. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD. (Isa 14:4-6)
24.Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa47:10, implied throughout).
25. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, her lands untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).9.
Babylon's enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world,over the poles (Isa 13:5)
26. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13,14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).
27. The people of Babylon would think they are God's elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8,
28. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47:8).
29. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7-8).
30. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and (pharmaceuticals) drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)
31. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).
32. Babylon's enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5)

Jeremiah prophesied:

1. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44)

2. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12). USA

3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18). USA

4. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23). USA

5. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41). USA

6. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).

7. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

8. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).

9. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

10. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).

11. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

12. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37). Think Kentucky

13. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).

14. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13)

15. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).

16. Babylon's skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).

17. Babylon has a huge space industry, has "mounted up to the heavens" (Jer 51:53).

18. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).

19. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).

20. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).

21. Babylon is nation filled with a "mingled" people (Jer 50:37).

22. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).

23. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12).

24. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).

25. Babylon's Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).

26. Babylon's Christian leaders are "strangers" in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).

27. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).

28. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12). (ENGLAND)

29. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).

30. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12). Follow the money, we are under total control of England's Banks, and have been since 1914

31. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).

32. Babylon is considered to be a lion's whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38).58.

33. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53). Who else has a space program as we do?

34. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).

35. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).

36. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)

37 .Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God's people (Jer 50:47;51:45).

38. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).

39. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).

40. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).

41. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).

42. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).

43. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)

44. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity(Jer 50:6, implied throughout).

45. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18).

46. How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! -Jeremiah 50:23

47. O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. The LORD of hosts hath sworn by himself, saying, Surely I will fill thee with men, as with caterpillars; and they shall lift up a shout against thee. -Jeremiah 51:12-14
48. Plays a leadership role in Outer Space Exploration (Jer. 51:3)
49. Is where the world's leaders meet and assemble (Jer. 51:44)
50. Incorporated many aspects of the old Babylonian religion (Jer. 50:2).
The Apostle John said in the Book of Revelation:
1. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)

2. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds (Rev 18:5).

3. The people of Babylon would think they are God's elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7).

4. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7).

5. Babylon will be destroyed by nuclear fire (Implied throughout)

6. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).

7. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13,14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).

8. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).
9. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4).

10. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).

11. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).

12. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).

13. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18:22).

14. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13).

15. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (Rev 18:22).

16. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12).

17. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23, implied throughout)

18. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).

19. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).

20. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).

21. Babylon turns upon its own people and imprisons and slays them by millions (Jer 50:7,33; 51:35; 39; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7;17:6; 18:24).

22. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).

23. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).

24. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2).

25. Babylon's Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).

26. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end by nuclear fire (Rev 18:2)

27. Babylon's leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).

28. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round(Rev 18:17-18).

29. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports (Rev 18:17-19).

30. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22).

31. Babylon's musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22)

32. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).

33. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13)

34. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

35. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

36. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).

37. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

38. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:44; Rev 17:18; 18:19).USA

39. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world (Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23). USA

40. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3). USA

41. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH (Rev 18:23). USA, all one need to do is look at the huge multi-national corporations that exist. American companies (merchants) the greatest on Earth.

42. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7; Rev 18:7). USA

43. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18). USA

44. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23). USA

45. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16).

46. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3). New York is the Financial Capital of the World.

47. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6).

48. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders (Rev 18:17). New York harbor is the biggest in theWorld.

49. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev 17:18). This can only be NEW YORK, where the United Nations sits.

50. Is considered intoxicating for it's high society lifestyle (Rev. 17:2, 18:3,23)
51. Is noted for its elegant and extravagant lifestyle (Rev. 18:14).
52. Is noted for being a city/nation of immigrants from all over the world (Rev. 18:15).
53. Is noted for a massive population (Rev. 18:15).
54. Is noted for its importation of drugs (Rev. 18:23).
55.Is the leading center of Commerce (Rev. 17:2)
56. Is the leading center of imports and consumption (Rev. 18:11)
57.Is a leading center of manufacturing (Rev. 18:22)
58. Is the center for world trade in gold, silver, copper, oil, precious gems, cloth, clothing, fashions, lumber, containers, household items, furniture, wine, livestock, transportation, health products, cosmetics, spices, marble, irony, and iron. (Rev. 18:11-13)

There is no other city or nation on earth that could fulfill these requirements other than the United States of America. There are some who hold to the view this passage is referring only to New York City. In fact, it refers to both NYC and the entire nation. The term "city" translated from the Greek means city-state or nation. In this instance, it refers to a nation led by its chief city, which is New York City (the first and original U.S. Capitol). So in some instances it is talking about New York City, and in others the nation itself. And if you're not convinced, go back and read all these prophecies again about the last great nation on earth.
The Bible Codes confirm that America is Babylon, and that the beasts coming will rule here, will be here, and will take over and destroy this country on their way to global rule from Jerusalem.
Isn't it amazing that there are over 100 prophecies that only one super power nation in the last days could fulfill and the churches tell you today that America isn't mentioned in last days prophecies? Insane.
Neither does the Vatican fulfill these prophecies, Europe, or anyone else. The Lone Super Power now is the United States, and in the last days, which we are in, the lone super power of the world remains the United States. There isn't enough time for another nation to rise and fulfill all these requirements and become the lone super power of the world. Many scholars claim that the Roman Catholic Church is Mystery Babylon based on one verse in Revelation Chapter 17 that has been misunderstood by them. Mystery Babylon is the United States folks. And once you realize this, you soon learn how dominant America is in last days prophecies and what the truth is in regards to them.
Let's look at Revelation Chapter 17:
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials and talked with me saying unto me, 'Come hither; and I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (verse 1)
The Apostle John is told by one of the seven angels holding the seven vials (known as the 7 bowl judgments) that he is going to show him the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters. The term whore is in reference to the Greek word "porne" which in English we use for pornography. In Greek it is also used for improper sexual relations which could mean anything sexual that occurs outside of marriage. To the Jews who consider their relationship with God as a marriage, then the term could also be used worshiping another god or deity. In other words, idol worship.
Another thought is the fact that this nation has gone outside God and has aligned itself with someone or something else. In America, Satanism and witchcraft have become dominant, not to mention their alignment with Aliens and the forces of Satan in exchange for technology. America has over 129 deep underground military bases. How many of them are being used as joint military-alien (demonic / occultic) bases? At least 32 including the Dulce Base in Dulce, New Mexico, Area 51 in Nevada, Los Alamos in Taos, New Mexico, and many others across the country.
The sentence "sitteth upon many waters" in Strongs it's #5204 which is figurative for many peoples. America is the melting pot of the world as far as immigration. We also are surrounded by fresh water from the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, the Great Lakes, and the Gulf of Mexico. Not to mention the many lakes, streams and rivers throughout this country. But the term 'waters' in relation to symbolism and Bible prophecy usually relates to people.
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication (verse 2).
This verse coincides with what Jeremiah said in 51:7 "Babylon has been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken her wine; therefore the nations are mad."
America has influenced the other nations of the earth to partake in her fornication. They are drunk with the wine of her fornication. They are filled with God's wrath as they partake in America's fornication which is adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc. and also idol worship. Worshiping things outside and contrary to the Lord.
America is steeped in its masonic heritage with its masonic and satanic idols and symbols all over the land from the statue of Liberty to the dollar bill.
Not only are the many perversions here spreading across the world, but the kings of other nations have also been negotiating their own treaties with the aliens and Satan's forces to gain technology from them.
The Christian nations, or what were considered at one time to be Christian nations, have turned their backs on God and have climbed in bed with the devil. This gives him access and authority to rule over these nations and he's overtaken them all as he prepares to come to earth as the Antichrist. Even the Gentile nations have secretly gotten involved with the greed of having their own UFO technology.
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wildernesss: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns (verse 3).
The woman is sitting on the beast. She's dominating the red colored beast that is full of names of blasphemy and has seven heads and ten horns.
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth as revealed further down in verse 9. The term mountains in symbolism can refer to a land mass or a political authority. In this instance, she sits in authority over 7 mountains, or land masses. The Seven continents. The final "Rome", the final great empire of the earth, will rule the earth, literally. The last great empire on earth will rule over all the continents on it. How? Economics, refer to Revelation 13 where the entire world must join the beast economic policy that originates from Babylon. Or, the United Nations that dominates and rules over the continents of the earth.
Horns are symbolic of leaders. It could be signifying a 10 nation confederacy that America is in alignment with, or 10 leaders, a council, that rules and dominates. We have also seen where the United Nations has divided the world up into 10 spheres, and plan for a leader to each sphere.
Still yet, Babylon sits on top of the UN and dominates her. Babylon the whore, dominates the beast and his 7 heads and 10 horns.
And the woman was arrayed in purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication (verse 4).
The woman is dressed in purple and scarlet. In symbolic term purple represents royalty and in the last days, red represents the false Jews, the Edomites, and/or the isms such as communism, socialism, fascism, etc..
Gold and jewelry signifies her wealth. The woman is seen as royalty. What does royalty have? Wealth, power, and authority and she contains Edomites and/or one of the isms. John even describes "having a golden cup in her hand" which is a trademark of the Statue of Liberty which was originally designed to hold a cup, but was changed to hold a torch instead to be a light in the harbor for ships for navigation. Cup is also used as a term for judgment. The term abominations means moral or physical pollutions. It is also just another term for sin. Abominations are sins. Fornication means impurity and/or idolatry. Idolatry in her unholy relationship with Satan, secret societies, aliens and fallen angels. America has many idolatries. She is filled with them.
A nation holding a cup. She is holding judgment (perhaps meting out judgment on others as policeman of the world) filled with her many idolatries not to mention treaties with unholy Satanic alien beings. Yep, this sounds like America. Have we stooped this low? Yes.
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (verse 5).
I view this verse a bit differently than most. The term Mystery always seems to have an occultic connotation to it. Or it can mean a secret. In this instance I think we can let it speak for itself since it is in regards to unholy Satanic ridden Babylon in that it is a mystery is in regards to the occult. Or even that it operates, secretly (although getting more out in the open) through satanic secret societies that worship the devil. Not to mention the shadow government that operates behind the scenes in alliance with Lucifer and his alien forces.
In other words, Mystery, or Occultic Babylon the Great. The term harlots is another term used for prostitutes. These kinds of terms are almost used in regards to religious terms. I have seen in the Bible Codes where the Hebrews use the term such as prostitution for those who prostitute the Bible. It has a religious and sexual meaning. But in this instance, I am led to believe it is the religious one.
America, the Mother of Prostitutes. The Mother of all those who prostitute the Word of God, or Him. Some of you cannot fathom the idea that America is this evil. You hold this country in high esteem with all its pastors and religious leaders, our churches, radio and television networks that seemingly teach and preach His Word and about Him to the world. But once you get away from the religious programming and start seeking Him for the truth you realize how evil our religious system is and how these false doctrines that most of our religious leaders and churches teach today are leading people to the pit of hell and not to HIM. And until you do that you will not understand the significance of this verse. These prostitutes are the false prophets and false shepherds leading this country, and going out into the world, evangelizing and leading people to the pit of hell instead of to Him. They are preaching a false gospel and a different Jesus than the one He came here as. Yahweh told me, "They proclaim My Name, but they know Me not!" It is that horrifying and that simple.
And if this isn't enough to prove to you that this entire passage of Scripture is talking about America, read the book America, The Babylon by R.A. Coombes as he goes into an in depth study on our masonic Statue of Liberty (a representation of the goddess Ishtar) that alone fulfills all the identifying characteristics of this Babylon of the future. It will shock you to learn that the founding of this country from the start had its roots in occultic origins. Not to mention the layout of Washington D.C. and the capital-temple of D.C. dedicated to the goddess Ishtar when constructed.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration" (verse 6).
America is intoxicated, drunken with the blood of the Saints. And you thought this was a religious nation? Things are going to change. Through martial law and the targeting of the saints through Patriot Acts 1 and 2, tens of thousands, even millions will be killed and become martyrs for the Lord.
Since the 1980s under Operation Rex our government has built internment camps across the country to hold 'resistors of the New World Order." All those it deems, through their massive profiling over the years, who will resist the rule of the NWO. This fulfills Jeremiah's prophecies about the last nation building internment camps and slaughtering millions of its own people.
When disasters start to strike this country and cities start going under martial law, they will implement their plans of eliminating Saints and Patriots who they have profiled and listed as being likely resistors of the New World Order. How did they compile their lists? Church records of members (who are required to give the state lists of all those who tithe to them or give them money). Also various other ways, simply put, they spy on people. They spy on what you read, what websites you visit, what groups you belong to, etc.. They even record your phone conversations and read your emails. Over the years the NSA and FBI have compiled records on just about every person in the United States. And from these records they have compiled extermination lists and have you targeted by your social security number.
Now do you realize the real reason for road blocks? When they want to target those on red lists (immediate extermination) they will set up road blocks to find them. When they stop your car they will run your SSN# to see if you are on the list. There are 3 lists, red, blue and green (some say it's yellow). Those on the red list are to be arrested and taken to an extermination facility immediately, no questions asked. Those on the blue list are taken to holding camps where they will be processed for extermination. Those on the green list are considered to be NWO friendly and not a threat.
The Satanic New World Order crowd fully intends on killing up to 60 million Americans to establish their control here in America without the hassles from possible resistors. And they have the facilities and capability to do so. And they did it all with taxpayer money and under the noses of the people.
When it says John wondered at her "with great admiration" it is not that he was impressed, he was flabbergasted! In the literal Greek translation it reads, "I was astonished beyond astonishment." He is disgusted at the ability, scope, and depth to which the saints will be murdered in America.
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou Marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns" (verse 7).
In the previous verse it said the woman sits on the beast. In this one it says the beast carries her. Pretty much it means the same thing. Picture a horse and it's rider.
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names are not written into the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is" (verse 8).
This verse is a verb nightmare. It goes back and forth between the past, present and future. The Beast is going to come out of the bottomless pit, which is the abyss, which is space. An "alien." Those on the earth, who are not Yahweh's, will fall into the deception and lies that this alien speaks and worship him. If you read my previous book on the False Prophet and NESARA agenda of the Omegans, you will recognize an alien called Maitreya, St. Germaine, St. Sananda, whatever name he uses that comes as the False Prophet. He will come proclaiming He is Jesus, the Messiah, (or whatever prophet each religion in the world is waiting for to come). He will deceive them all. When the Antichrist comes he will come as "God the Father." The false prophet "Jesus" will decieve the world into worshipping the "Father" Antichrist.
and here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (verse 9).
Ok so we already know this from the previous verse. The seven head of the beast are seven mountains. This one verse is what throws most people off into thinking it is referring to the Vatican. The area of the Vatican is surrounded by 7 hills, not mountains. There are no mountains in Rome, if you were to take the term literal. In this instance, it is symbolic because we are being told that the woman sitting on the beast has authority over the entire world, all 7 continents. Something no previous empire had ever accomplished. Also, the term beast is masculine. It is referring to a person.
The woman rides the beast. Her power is unchallenged. She's in control of this beast. The woman is a nation. What kind of power? In economics, military, and influence. She is a lone super power.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come: and when he cometh he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is an eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (verses 10 and 11).
These seven kings represent the 7 empires of the past and the "present" as in relating to John's time, which is approximately 90 A.D. or sometime towards the end of that century. Some put John's book anywhere from 78 to 98 A.D.
The ruling empires of the past were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece. At John's time, the ruling empire was Rome.
So what is the seventh ruling empire? The beast is from the seventh and becomes the eighth himself. I believe the New World Order is the seventh and the NWO is being dominated and run by America. The beast comes out of the 7th great ruling empire. America is the lone super power today. There is no other empire since ancient Rome that has dominated the earth as America has. Notice the beast is a king. It is the Antichrist that comes from the last great ruling empire on earth, America.
And the ten horns which you sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings for one hour with the beast.
These shall have one mind, and shall give their power and strength to the beast.
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them for He is Lord of lords, and King of Kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful (verses 12-14).
The 10 horns are 10 kings who receive power as kings for a short time with the beast. The Greek word used, "basileis" doesn't always refer to kings in particular, but to leaders. They have no kingdom as of yet. In other words, they are representatives or ambassadors from other countries who become appointed by the beast as those countries "kings."
So what happened to the 10 countries previous kings? It doesn't say. But they are replaced by these new ones. Or, perhaps, since they have no kingdom, they are appointed as an interim leader over a particular area or kingdom as a representative of the beast.
In other words, the beast creates a council of 10 people and each of these people becomes a representative for him over a particular country. Or, as with the UN who has on paper already divided the world up into 10 areas, each king becomes a leader/representative of one of these areas.
The passage says these kings all have one mind and give their power to the beast. This means they are all in agreement with each other and give their power and strength to the beast. They form an alliance. They give him control or full support of their militaries and financial backing.
So we have 10 people, who are awarded control of 10 countries, and then they give that countries military and full support to the Antichrist beast. Doesn't make sense does it? But that is what happens.
And what do all these geniuses decide to do? To make war with the Lamb, the real Messiah Jesus Christ, Yahushua. They proclaim war on the Son of God.
Not too bright are they?
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (verse 15)..
The angel is telling John that the waters where the whore sits contains people of all nations, races and languages. These people are in her land. In other words, where the whore rules from, contains people of all races and languages. It contains immigrants from around the world. America is the only nation in the world ever referred to as the melting pot for exiles and immigrants.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked. And shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled (verses 16-17).

Ok, now remember the beast is a person, masculine tense, the whore is a nation. The Beast comes OUT of the nation. He's from the nation itself. He goes and makes a 10 nation alliance, to destroy his own nation.
Why? Because he's a traitor? Well yes, but also because he subverted it to begin with as a leader/president so he could do exactly what he's going to do, turn around and destroy it.
He rises to political authority through America, perhaps as the President of the United States, then makes an agreement and an alliance with the heads of 10 other countries to destroy his own country.
Remember, the woman (nation) rides the beast. She controls him. He hates her, (the nation) and so burns with her fire.
Doesn't make sense does it? Probably not. But this is what happens. As president he makes her desolate and naked. He makes her desolate through the murder of thousands, perhaps millions of the saints, then pulls her defenses down so she can be attacked and destroyed.
Another thing is this. One of the things I have seen over and over in the Bible Codes is that when the President of the United States originally dies (Rev. 13), a formal state funeral is given and he is replaced as president by someone else. When he comes back as "God" but we know him as Satan incarnate as man, the Antichrist, he no longer has a position of authority. Someone else has already replaced him as president. Besides, when he comes back the False Prophet claims this beast arriving is "God" returning to earth to build his kingdom on earth, so that changes things quite a bit on the world scene.
The theatrics involved with bringing the former president of the USA back to earth as God would warrant an Oscar nomination. It involves technology from a gramophone at the space station to announce his arrival to theatrical light and image effects from H.A.A.R.P. This whole charade is known as the Blue Beam Project and they have been working on perfecting it for years.
All of this stuff has been well planned in advance. In fact, it is American taxpayer money and the illegal sale of drugs and child pornography that has funded not only the preparation and the coming war on the saints, but the arrival of Satan as God in a spectacular display of technology with light and sound affects all the way from space to the earth.
From what I have seen, when he returns he is at odds with the person who replaced him as president of the United States. They do not get along. I don't know if he stays in America, but we know what he does when he comes back. He makes an alliance with 10 other people, appoints them as leaders of the countries they are from or UN spheres, and then destroys and attacks America.
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth (verse 18).
Remember the term city also means nation. So it can be a literal city, or the chief city inside of a nation, or the nation itself. In this instance it's back to New York City itself and speaking of the United Nations, which by then, might be in rule over the nations of the earth. Right now it's a joke. But that could change.
If not, then it would be referring to Washington D.C. the political capitol of Babylon and the governing center of the New World Order.
I don't think the Scriptures were unclear about who the last days Babylon was going to be. I don't think you could describe America any better than this. Why won't your church leaders tell you? Because they are the Harlots in cahoots with the devil to keep you in the dark or just plain ignorant of what the Bible really says. If you could read over the 100 prophecies describing the end times nation in power and recognize it as America, why can't they? Get out of the churches and back into Yahweh. The last days churches as signified by the church of Laodicea in Revelation chapter 3 are not of Him. He is seen standing outside the door of them. In other words, HE IS NOT IN THEM."

Babylon is a nation of thought by supposed followers of Christ that puts the world and political "reality" before love of enemy and "the least of these." Babylon is rebelling against taxation when Christ was abundantly plain on this point--despite the fact that his chosen people, his nation, was being literally taxed into ruin and starvation. Babylon are those supposed Christians that do not, as explicitly instructed in Scripture, welcome the stranger or do for children what is doing for Christ. Babylon is the capital of vanity (ego), those letting their thoughts and ways, their understanding, supersede the Bible for the sake of their safety, profit, or national allegiance. Babylon are those Christians in name only ("I do not know you") whose judgments and fears capitulate with the world to discriminate and renounce whole segments of society, and political parties, that directly violates everything Christ stood for and died for.

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My father is a man of faith who rises every day at 5am to study the word and pray. My mother is a believer as well, but is handicapped by a severe case of paranoia schizophrenia. She is medicated now, but I could really never go to her with questions of faith because many of the things out of her mouth were fanciful and unrealiable. (Not her fault, it was the nature of her illness). So naturally I relied on my father for nearly everything in life.
Serenity, you have my sincerest prayers for you and your mom and dad. My wife's dad was career Army and spent a tour in Korea and 3 tours in Vietnam, before coming home to retire with the same illness as your mom. Often times, we'd watch him in his living room, talking to people who were seen only by him. Even Jesus was in his conversations. I'd like to think that even though we couldn't see Jesus, that He was there, conversing with the group.

For ten years I fell away, and found the result to only be confusion, poverty, guilt, pain, burdensome depression, and the like. As I returned to my roots and my faith, I have been burning with a need for research.
Thats wonderful! Question everything! God has no fear of questions and, I believe, treasures your wanting to learn about Him.

Having been on OPP for awhile, it has come to my attention of the active degeneration of this country, FEMA camps, the disarming of citizens, the border breakdown. Surely the disease is not political - that's like putting a band-aid on a heart attack. It is much deeper than that.
Here's where we have a difference of opinion. We may have a breakdown of our families and a broad separation between the haves and the have-nots, but no one has shown me any proof of the existence FEMA camps. There's a lot of talk about them, but if they exist, why hasn't their locations been made public? A story like that would be way too big for the mainstream media to ignore.

What disarming of citizens? I've owned several weapons for years and still have every one of them. No one has taken away the first one. There maybe actions within some states to make gun ownership more strict, but that's on a state level, not the federal level. We still have the 2nd Amendment. Want more proof of no loss of gun ownership? Ask anyone you know, that owns a gun, legally, if any federal officials have tried to remove it/them from their possession.

Border breakdown? Get Congress off their partisan rhetorical duffs and get to do their jobs. The House blocks the Senate and the Senate blocks the House. The mess at the border is their fault, not the Presidents. While Congress gets ready to go home to win re-election, Obama is left to try to operate the country by himself; just like he has for the first 6 years of his presidency. His power only goes so far and he knows he bumped it at the limit several times. But, somebody has to try to do something; Congress surely hasn't.

Many of the things that struck me about the article is how much the Babylon described is like this country. That I think we can say is true.
Like I said before, people can draw some parallels to Babylon and America.

Much of what I learned in Sunday School as I was growing up turned out to be flat-out wrong. Inaccurate. Even evil. So I question everything now.
Keep up the questioning. I continue to question and research. I also try not to listen to the dooms-day sayers. Too much negativity. It clouds the mind and prevents rational thought by putting fear in the heart. It's okay to fear God, but we're not supposed to fear searching for our understanding of God.

Which is why I posted this on OPP. To discuss and discover. Christians may not always agree on interpretation - but we can all agree this nation is NOT what it once was.
Nor is it the nation of our parents or of our grandparents or of our great grandparents, ad nausium. If it were, we'd be a stagnant society and economy. Ours is a unique country. We're not any of us originally from here, unless you're Native American. Every person here brings with them a possibility for greatness, if afforded an opportunity. If you're meaning our religious values, yes, they've changed, and not always for the better. Faith has taken a back seat to other Sunday activities. Plus, many have been turned off by the multiple multiple religions, fighting to see which one is the next mega church. The church shouldn't be about which building has the largest congregation, but which one demonstrates to the community the love Christ has for us and commanded us to show toward others. Again, many politicians look to make points by working the church to blame others on the ills of the country. Sunday is THE most segregated day if the week. Why? Because too many church people believe inward instead of outward. That's why I left my church of 20 years. It, in my opinion, has lost its way in how were supposed to treat others.

I still interpret some of these things to mean America, whether literally or figuratively, and if the carnal in this nation feel they are above Gods wrath they are wrong. We all must answer in the end. The real end.

I wish that we would have a strong Orthodox Jew that would be on OPP and could explain the prophecies in the books of Daniel, Ezekiel, Isiah, Jeremiah. We used to have a strong Jew here on OPP and that was Ginnyt but after a run in with I believe it was rumitoid she left OPP at the direction of her elders at her synagogue. Maybe from their perspective we would be better able to clarify these mysteries. I remember going through Revelation in prophecy classes and I have a Dakes annotated Bible and it gives me cross references. It always took me longer to go through the lessons because of the cross referencing features in that Bible. But from what I can remember this all seems very feasible to me and the closer we get the more it becomes visible.