Augustus Greatorex wrote:
For what sin did the Christ die? It was for my sin that the Christ died. God has provided me a way of escape, in that the Christ did not die for his own sin, but for mine.
God's judgment is impartial. It is not by changing his judgment of my actions that I am saved.
This is my plea on the day of judgment: The sinless Christ died in my stead.
Not: God is unjust. But that is your contention: God is partial to some and judges them differently than others.
God's judgment is not impartial, God's judgment was finished before He said let there be light. The Bible says absent from the body present with the Lord. If you are not saved then you go to a place of silence to wait for judgment. Psalm 115 You don't have a choice weather you want to be saved or not. God either saved you before he created anything or He didn't. Not your choice but His.
robby1 wrote:
God's judgment is not impartial, God's judgment was finished before He said let there be light. The Bible says absent from the body present with the Lord. If you are not saved then you go to a place of silence to wait for judgment. Psalm 115 You don't have a choice weather you want to be saved or not. God either saved you before he created anything or He didn't. Not your choice but His.
No. God's salvation is partial, choosing some, but not others.
God's judgment is without partiality.
If you believe that God just arbitrarily judges people, explain why Jesus the Christ had to die. ??
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
No. God's salvation is partial, choosing some, but not others.
God's judgment is without partiality.
If you believe that God just arbitrarily judges people, explain why Jesus the Christ had to die. ??
I did not say that. Everything exists with God all at once. God is not bound by time. What he saw twenty million years ago He still sees today. God created everything out of nothing. Everything Happens with God at the same time. God doesn't have to think about something. If He did then He would not be God. There would be a higher power. We know that isn't true. Eternity past and eternity future is the same to God. if god has existed for eternity then so have you. If you did not exist with God for eternity then you would never have been born. There came a time in God's eternity when He said let there be light. That is when His plan for mankind began. God could Have created twenty million universes and we don't know if He did or not. We are bound on this earth the way God planned His creation. Jesus said we do not know what we shall become but we know we will be like Him, because we will see Him as He really is. Our minds and our body was created by God to exist on this planet. Everything we know someone else knew before us. That is how we learned and gained knowledge. God chose all those who would live with Jesus for eternity eons ago. Our knowledge is limited to the planet we live on. Did you ever stand on the sun. In the Bible God said an angel stood on the sun. We are created for God's purpose and He is in control of who He saves and who He doesn't save. That may be hard to understand and I can't help you understand. The information is in the Bible but you must study it and let the Holy Spirit teach you. All those people that saw what Jesus did when He was on the earth were more than a hundred and twenty. Yet there were only a hundred and twenty people in the upper room when the Holy Spirit came with tongues of fire. Jesus told them to stay in Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit came. As you know there was a big change. There are a lot of synonyms in the Bible. Like water is the word of God. Clay is a word that God uses for man. Romans chapter 9. The wedding in Cana is a picture of Jesus and His bride the saved. John chapter 2. When Jesus walked on water it was a picture of His faith in God. That is why He didn't sink. When Peter walked on water he took a few steps because Jesus told him to come. He trusted Jesus because Jesus is the Word. Then Peter took his eyes off of Jesus, he got scared and started to sink . At this point the water or the word judged him and he began to sink. Peter yelled to Jesus to save him and Jesus grabbed Peter and pulled him into the boat. Meaning once saved always saved. We cannot save ourselves But whoever God is Going to save God will put a desire in their heart to seek Him.
robby1 wrote:
I did not say that. Everything exists with God all at once. God is not bound by time. What he saw twenty million years ago He still sees today. God created everything out of nothing. Everything Happens with God at the same time. God doesn't have to think about something. If He did then He would not be God. There would be a higher power. We know that isn't true. Eternity past and eternity future is the same to God. if god has existed for eternity then so have you. If you did not exist with God for eternity then you would never have been born. There came a time in God's eternity when He said let there be light. That is when His plan for mankind began. God could Have created twenty million universes and we don't know if He did or not. We are bound on this earth the way God planned His creation. Jesus said we do not know what we shall become but we know we will be like Him, because we will see Him as He really is. Our minds and our body was created by God to exist on this planet. Everything we know someone else knew before us. That is how we learned and gained knowledge. God chose all those who would live with Jesus for eternity eons ago. Our knowledge is limited to the planet we live on. Did you ever stand on the sun. In the Bible God said an angel stood on the sun. We are created for God's purpose and He is in control of who He saves and who He doesn't save. That may be hard to understand and I can't help you understand. The information is in the Bible but you must study it and let the Holy Spirit teach you. All those people that saw what Jesus did when He was on the earth were more than a hundred and twenty. Yet there were only a hundred and twenty people in the upper room when the Holy Spirit came with tongues of fire. Jesus told them to stay in Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit came. As you know there was a big change. There are a lot of synonyms in the Bible. Like water is the word of God. Clay is a word that God uses for man. Romans chapter 9. The wedding in Cana is a picture of Jesus and His bride the saved. John chapter 2. When Jesus walked on water it was a picture of His faith in God. That is why He didn't sink. When Peter walked on water he took a few steps because Jesus told him to come. He trusted Jesus because Jesus is the Word. Then Peter took his eyes off of Jesus, he got scared and started to sink . At this point the water or the word judged him and he began to sink. Peter yelled to Jesus to save him and Jesus grabbed Peter and pulled him into the boat. Meaning once saved always saved. We cannot save ourselves But whoever God is Going to save God will put a desire in their heart to seek Him.
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A very presumptive position you have taken on God's perspective of time. One not substantiated by the Bible, based solely upon God's description of himself as "I am."
God rebuked Job for presumption. He told Job that the mysteries of creation were not revealed to Job. Job should not question those mysteries.
I believe Paul when he writes to the Corinthians "Now, we see as through a glass darkly..." There are mysteries that have not been revealed, and only by presumption can we claim understanding of these mysteries.
I cannot know what spirit has filled you, but it behooves us to in humility submit that our knowledge is limited at this time.
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
A very presumptive position you have taken on God's perspective of time. One not substantiated by the Bible, based solely upon God's description of himself as "I am."
God rebuked Job for presumption. He told Job that the mysteries of creation were not revealed to Job. Job should not question those mysteries.
I believe Paul when he writes to the Corinthians "Now, we see as through a glass darkly..." There are mysteries that have not been revealed, and only by presumption can we claim understanding of these mysteries.
I cannot know what spirit has filled you, but it behooves us to in humility submit that our knowledge is limited at this time.
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Oh well. When you read the Bible As many times as I have then you can correct me. The whole Bible is about God and His relationship with His creation. God wants us to know Him. That is why He sent the Holy Spirit to teach us. We can read the Bible and get the history of man. God want us to learn the Spiritual side of what He is doing. Only the saved can be taught by the holy Spirit. If you are not understanding what I wrote don't blame me. Go to the Holy Spirit and ask Him what the Spiritual lessons are. Anyone who is saved can understand what I am saying as far as Spiritual teaching is concerned. The Bible says the holy Spirit witnesses to our spirit about the spiritual truth in God's word. If you don't understand it is not my fault. You have a problem and it is not me. Go to the Holy Spirit for Spiritual truth.
robby1 wrote:
Oh well. When you read the Bible As many times as I have then you can correct me. The whole Bible is about God and His relationship with His creation. God wants us to know Him. That is why He sent the Holy Spirit to teach us. We can read the Bible and get the history of man. God want us to learn the Spiritual side of what He is doing. Only the saved can be taught by the holy Spirit. If you are not understanding what I wrote don't blame me. Go to the Holy Spirit and ask Him what the Spiritual lessons are. Anyone who is saved can understand what I am saying as far as Spiritual teaching is concerned. The Bible says the holy Spirit witnesses to our spirit about the spiritual truth in God's word. If you don't understand it is not my fault. You have a problem and it is not me. Go to the Holy Spirit for Spiritual truth.
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Your position is you have all truth. Anyone who disagrees with you must be lost. I knew a guy, once: Vernon Howell, who could recite any Bible verse verbatim. He had read the Bible many times. He taught much as you do. Those who disagreed with him were not true Christians.
Why don't you look him up? You probably share a great many beliefs.
There are over 100 characteristics and parameters concerning the "Daughter of Babylon" given by five different prophets and these prophecies all fit America like tailor made gloves and most fit America only. Some people who deny that America is this daughter, will list only those prophecies that fit their own ideas, to get it correct that entity or nation must fit every single parameter and characteristic and only America does. Isaiah tells us that the Daughter of Babylon" will become bogged down politically and cannot govern, this is happening now with Trump, it's prophesied that Fanners will come into the "Daughter of Babylon" these are immigrants the bad kind, they take and destroy, this is happening now and it will get worse. I pray I'm wrong but the evidence is too strong. The late Dr. Richard Coombes set out to prove those who believe like me were wrong but he found the most proof of all. spending ten years of research in the ancient Hebrew manuscripts. His website is Alpha and Omega. In the mid 1960s Dr. S Franklin Logsdon wrote that America is that Daughter for his efforts he was ostracized by his peers.
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