The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

That rings a bell, but I’ll look into it, thanks for the referral.

Hug

And if guns are outlawed and you have to use your gun, it will be you in trouble, not the bad guy. That already happens.

Nexialist

The biggest threat gun owners face are the attempts by states like California to regulate gun ownership out of existence. A 3-judge 9th circuit panel upheld a San Diego judge who ruled that if open carry is banned and conceal carry is too restrictive, then the right to bear (carry) arms in the Constitution has been violated. The 9th Circuit reversed en banc, but a Hawaii case for open carry was ruled favorably by a 3-judge panel of the 9th circuit. This ruling has not been referred to the 9th Circuit en banc, in hopes of keeping the issue out of the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, California gun owners wake up every day facing a host of new gun restrictions aimed at frustrating gun ownership. Scalia in Heller acknowledged that states have the right to regulate firearms, but McDonald affirmed the individual right to keep arms applied to the states. The only relief from states hostile to the 2nd Amendment will come from the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, Ca politicians pass restrictive gun laws that continue to be overturned, and they don’t care that citizens have their rights violated for specious reasons.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

It ain't gonna happen, hug! There's hundreds of millions of guns, and billions of rounds of ammunition in the hands of law abiding citizens. That's a scrap they don't want.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Poor boy. As if rude interruptions are rare around here.

OK, no doubt that some percentage of the 137 million gun owners in the US will "roll over", but even if 25% of them won't, that's 34 million--many of these are veterans. With a total of 4 million employees, including the armed forces, the government simply doesn't have the manpower and resources to deal with that many. A very small percentage of government employees are LE, something like 150,000.

Now, explain what is and is not an "easy target".

Question is: whose side are you on? Are you one of those pull toys who'd welcome socialist despotism? Or, are you just a wimp who'd "roll over"?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Exactly, arch. Recent polls show that only 21% of Americans support repealing the 2nd Amendment. They are outnumbered 5 to 1.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

Still an atrocious percentage.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I agree Blade but, many Americans have been losing their gun rights in different states slowly but surely. I guess NJ is about as bad as it gets along with California and NY.

Hug

Arch, it is not that simple. We have to win through the court system. TRUMP is helping a lot by appointing honest judges. Law abiding citizens will obey the law.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

You make a point here that pisses me off.
The Judicial branch runs our country now!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Depends on whether or not the laws are constitutional.

Peace is that brief glorious moment when everyone stands around reloading.
Thomas Jefferson

debeda

Well, all the founders were racist. Per the Democrats
GREAT quote

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Not so fast. Law abiding citizens will become criminals if the Government comes for their guns. This "government" would have to be full of people devoid of common sense, which means those who elected them would be equally devoid of reasoning.

After decades and decades of conditioning against any sort of gun control " it's the opening salvo in the effort to take your guns!!! ", the vast majority of gun owners wouldn't think twice about defying the government. This fear of confiscation is unreasonable and not based on ANY fact.

The majority of law enforcement officers own guns privately and would likely refuse to enforce such a ridiculous law. If the Gov. turned to the military to begin confiscation, they'd discover that the majority of military personnel are gun owners who would be equally reluctant to try and enforce such a law. Besides, trying to use military personnel would be illegal, and good luck trying to get State Governors to lend their National Guard to such an effort.

Guns are here to stay, no matter what Government/judges think about the matter.

debeda

There have been many, many egregious laws passed by our goofy legislators over the years. WITHOUT the consensus of the people, or even any agreement. It could happen. It wouldn't be pretty. It would be like those clips we saw of Venezuela a couple of months back, where some of the Maduro military defected to protect the people. Who have no guns.