Of course she is and if places of worship don't matter why has the Holy Spirit guided men to build them and hospitals and orphanages etc? Apostolic succession is a myth to all heretics and schismatics. It also invalidates your own clergy If it's true. If you possessed a valid history you would know this and you would understand how essential this continuity is to the faith and practice of Christianity. Lest we never forget how diverse and contradicting the thousands of denominations are within Protestantism. We're obviously talking about those "others" because you're absolutely positive about your own brand. If I were to ask you by what authority you make this decision you, like all the others, would claim the Bible. Again, I ask you by what authority do you interpret the Bible ALL would respond the "Holy Spirit. ". Congratulations on making the Holy Spirit contradictory, confusing, argumentative, and a liar. Instead of leading Christians into Truth your Holy Spirit leads them into confusion. And by what name would any sensible Christian call a spirit that purposely sets out to cause confusion and hatred amongst christians? The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church by its very nature has safeguards to protect the faith and practice of Christianity and apostolic succession is one of them. But I'm not upset by the means you choose to worship, I respect your free will. Do likewise! There is much on which we do agree.

Of course she is and if places of worship don't matter why has the Holy Spirit guided men to build them and hospitals and orphanages etc? Apostolic succession is a myth to all heretics and schismatics. It also invalidates your own clergy If it's true. If you possessed a valid history you would know this and you would understand how essential this continuity is to the faith and practice of Christianity. Lest we never forget how diverse and contradicting the thousands of denominations are within Protestantism. We're obviously talking about those "others" because you're absolutely positive about your own brand. If I were to ask you by what authority you make this decision you, like all the others, would claim the Bible. Again, I ask you by what authority do you interpret the Bible ALL would respond the "Holy Spirit. ". Congratulations on making the Holy Spirit contradictory, confusing, argumentative, and a liar. Instead of leading Christians into Truth your Holy Spirit leads them into confusion. And by what name would any sensible Christian call a spirit that purposely sets out to cause confusion and hatred amongst christians? The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church by its very nature has safeguards to protect the faith and practice of Christianity and apostolic succession is one of them. But I'm not upset by the means you choose to worship, I respect your free will. Do likewise! There is much on which we do agree.

Not at all. The Holy Spirit isn't contradictory or confusing.

The Catholic church is certainly not the 'one, holy, catholic and apostolic church' and has no authority over Christians - only over Catholics. The dogma of apostolic succession is a fabrication of the Roman Catholic church. Nothing more.

The pope certainly isn't biblical. The Catholic God is confused because even though He said His word was perfect more than once, the pope's "revelations" contradict that.

Gee I don't ever remember reading about apostolic succession in the bible could you tell me chapter and verse where this is found and the same also for the one, holy, catholic. and apostolic church. Don't ever remember those phrases ever popping up in my reading must be I have a different bible than you or should I say Sola Scriptura. Both Rose42 as well as Zemirah are two wonderful woman of faith and knowledge in the scriptures and I also feel it is unmanly for you to go out of your way to criticize them but that is just me.

It must be comforting to know so little but believe yourself wise. It's vainglorious of you because you do not speak with any authority behind you unless you believe heresy and schism to be authoritative. Confusing? Protestantism is conflicted and confused about something as basic as the necessity for baptism. Therefore, He who you call the Holy Spirit and what you credit to Him is confusing and contradictory in this and many other issues. How many Protestants believe in the Rapture? How many Protestant denominations do not? When and where did this new doctrine emerge? How many ordain women, how many do not? How many believe in Holy Communion; how many do not? How many encourage homosexuals; how many do not? How many say taking a drink of alcohol is a sin? How many believe "once saved always saved?" Etc, etc, etc, etc, efc. As I previously stated you've got to deny the Truth of apostolic succession because it invalidates protestant clergy; they have no apostolic authority. That invalidation is manifested in the thousands of Protestant denominations, all using the same Bible, and all crediting the Holy Spirit for their differences in faith and practice. As you know, I'm Orthodox not Roman Catholic. Apostolic succession is crucial to us also. Some jackass protestant scholar sometime or another waves his magic heretical wand and declared apostolic succession a fabrication and you haters of the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church lapped it up like it's mother's milk. You'd best be about sweeping your own house before you concern yourself with mine, the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic house of worship. One more thing, those of us in the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church are Christians, catholic Christians, and we've got 1500 years of faith, practice and history behind us before you ever came into existence. That you believe you represent early Christianity is not a fabrication, it's fantasy. It's understandable that you seek to steal this justification.

Unquestionably we, as Christians, have much we hold in common. I am not big on ecumenism but I believe we'd be better off agreeing on those things positive and less vocal on our differences. But God forbid you ever believe I'm interfering in your free will.

The wisdom I need comes from the bible and those teachers who abide by the word.

The disconnect is you think Christianity is owned by the Catholic church but it isn't. Christianity predates Catholicism. I'm part of the church that started over 2000 years ago not the one that started in the mid 300s. And it wasn't just one biblical scholar that said apostolic succession was a myth because its not biblical.

The Roman Catholic church had to devise something to keep their hold on power. There is so much material to show why the pope was never infallible in certain doctrinal matters yet a vote declared him to be in 1870. That caused a split among some Catholics. It makes no sense that God would forget to include things of such importance in the bible but popes are free to make things up as they see fit. The best examples are Mary's ascension into heaven (never happened) and saying Mary was sinless (not true either).

You can say whatever you like. So can any other religion. People can read up on them all and choose what to believe.

The wisdom I need comes from the bible and those teachers who abide by the word.

The disconnect is you think Christianity is owned by the Catholic church but it isn't. Christianity predates Catholicism. I'm part of the church that started over 2000 years ago not the one that started in the mid 300s. And it wasn't just one biblical scholar that said apostolic succession was a myth because its not biblical.

The Roman Catholic church had to devise something to keep their hold on power. There is so much material to show why the pope was never infallible in certain doctrinal matters yet a vote declared him to be in 1870. That caused a split among some Catholics. It makes no sense that God would forget to include things of such importance in the bible but popes are free to make things up as they see fit. The best examples are Mary's ascension into heaven (never happened) and saying Mary was sinless (not true either).

You can say whatever you like. So can any other religion. People can read up on them all and choose what to believe.

The wisdom I need comes from the bible and those teachers who abide by the word.

The disconnect is you think Christianity is owned by the Catholic church but it isn't. Christianity predates Catholicism. I'm part of the church that started over 2000 years ago not the one that started in the mid 300s. And it wasn't just one biblical scholar that said apostolic succession was a myth because its not biblical.

The Roman Catholic church had to devise something to keep their hold on power. There is so much material to show why the pope was never infallible in certain doctrinal matters yet a vote declared him to be in 1870. That caused a split among some Catholics. It makes no sense that God would forget to include things of such importance in the bible but popes are free to make things up as they see fit. The best examples are Mary's ascension into heaven (never happened) and saying Mary was sinless (not true either).

You can say whatever you like. So can any other religion. People can read up on them all and choose what to believe.

The apostles had a one time mission you say and you are correct and that one time mission was to last in perpetuity for all times. I'm glad to see you've adopted one of my standard comments that "nothing was to be added and nothing taken away." Shows you're trainable. The Apostles taught the first Christians the faith and consecrated their successors to continue in the Apostolic continuity after they were gone. Read your paper pope! it's there. Their successors today are those Bishops who remain in valid apostolic succession. At their consecration to become Bishops they have hands laid on them by other bishops, who have had hands laid on them traceable back to an Apostle, to specifically receive the Holy Spirit required to be an overseer, a shepherd, of Christ's Church. Of course you won't believe that either.....blinders!

I really find it amusing that someone like you believe they can school someone like me me on the Holy Spirit. You use Him like a hammer in exactly the same way you use Holy Scripture. You foolish woman, are you truly so arrogant that you don't think I know that The Holy Spirit is a Person? Weren't you curious that I always capitalize the word Truth? You do understand the significance? Do YOU know the difference between person and nature in explaining God? You won't find the answer in your bible but you will find it in the teachings of the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church. Islam doesn't understand it and this is why they believe we are polytheistic .

Protestant clergy have no need to receive the Holy Spirit to be overseer of their cures because that is not their function. He, or "she", can preach, teach, and correct others as they individually believes and then "claim" The Holy Spirit is leading them and everyone, of course, believes them. Clergy in the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church are forbidden from doing that sort of thing because they are prohibited from either adding or taking away from that faith once delivered or giving their personal opinions on faith and practice.. Some have violated their sacred oath and found themselves in serious trouble. You believe Apostolic Tradition has no place in Christianity because modern scholars have successfully twisted Church history to favor their new teachings and you are led by them. That's your choice. I understand how that has happened since the time of Saint Paul. I will give modernists credit to understand that if Apostolic teachings are true, they have no authority as Protestant clergy to morally accept the duties, authority and responsibilities of valid apostolic clergy. The next best thing needed to elevate their cause was to demonize us. They used the Saul Alinsky method before Alinsky codified it and you frequently do likewise when you attack catholics, you'd just prefer to call it something else. I can't blame you. Odd these days to observe so many fundamentalist clergy adopt the title of Bishop and wear clerical garb. Maybe they just like to be called "father" when out in public where people don't know them. What do you think? I think they're confused because they know something is lacking. That something is called........worship!

We're not getting anywhere are we? So let's leave you worshipping in a barn and me along with hundreds of millions worshiping God in the beauty of holiness in a place built and dedicated to His glory surrounded by other Christians (His Church) worshipping Him and not just reading a few bible verses and discussing them. We have other functions for doing that sort of thing. However, I can't leave you believing we cannot worship God outside a beautiful church because many times in history the church has been forced to go underground and we survived and we continued to worship. Jesus said we would survive but that many hardships would come to us. I guess that's the cost of discipleship huh?

As usual, you're entertaining in your error. You're happy and comfortable being both a heretic and a schismatic and I'm blessed in being part of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church, a worshiping church. I won't tell you you can't read and discuss your bible in a barn and you shouldn't tell other Christians they can't "worship" in beautiful churches built to give glory to God. You are free to follow what you believe to be the Holy Spirit and we will do the same without believing He accedes to our own interpretations and individual beliefs. It was, after all, a promise that He would lead us into all truth without any corrections modernism tacks on as an addendum. Peace be with you! 😁😁😁

You absolutely don't know what you're talking about. You're limited in your scope by your lack of knowledge. Furthermore, I don't have the pope in my chain of command but I do have a bishop I have to obey even in my retirement. Orthodox also believe in Mary's ascension into heaven she was, after all, his mom. Do you believe Jesus would treat her as shabby as you protestants do and discard her after He used her to be born? Lest we forget, He chose His own mother from heaven before the Incarnation and we know His great concern for her as He hung from the Cross. There is no place mentioned anywhere of where Mary is buried. That's a clue. She is Theotokos, Mother of God. Diminish that and you destroy the Divinity of Jesus and resurrect many old heresies. But what do you know about heresies the Church had to combat? Most were conquered before the reformation, your birth date. Are you a monophysite? Perhaps an iconoclast? Maybe you believe in Arianism? There are many more formal heresies you never combated but the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church did. And we won only because the Holy Spirit led the Church into Truth just as promised. Has the Church made mistakes? Of course. It takes awhile sometimes to combat error but it takes clergy in apostolic succession and well informed laity led by the Holy Spirit to combat those errors.

Orthodox do not recognize infallibility in their clergy. (I might be the only exception). This is one of the issues separating East from West. We would, however, be inclined to recognize the See of Peter as first amongst equals as it was prior to the Great Schism of 1054. At least that's my understanding.

One more time, remind me who is your authority when you interpret Holy Scripture?

Are we having fun yet? 😇. You guys provide me the opportunity to get off the streets and out of the bars and I am so thankful.

Of course she is and if places of worship don't matter why has the Holy Spirit guided men to build them and hospitals and orphanages etc? Apostolic succession is a myth to all heretics and schismatics. It also invalidates your own clergy If it's true. If you possessed a valid history you would know this and you would understand how essential this continuity is to the faith and practice of Christianity. Lest we never forget how diverse and contradicting the thousands of denominations are within Protestantism. We're obviously talking about those "others" because you're absolutely positive about your own brand. If I were to ask you by what authority you make this decision you, like all the others, would claim the Bible. Again, I ask you by what authority do you interpret the Bible ALL would respond the "Holy Spirit. ". Congratulations on making the Holy Spirit contradictory, confusing, argumentative, and a liar. Instead of leading Christians into Truth your Holy Spirit leads them into confusion. And by what name would any sensible Christian call a spirit that purposely sets out to cause confusion and hatred amongst christians? The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church by its very nature has safeguards to protect the faith and practice of Christianity and apostolic succession is one of them. But I'm not upset by the means you choose to worship, I respect your free will. Do likewise! There is much on which we do agree.

The wisdom I need comes from the bible and those teachers who abide by the word.

The disconnect is you think Christianity is owned by the Catholic church but it isn't. Christianity predates Catholicism. I'm part of the church that started over 2000 years ago not the one that started in the mid 300s. And it wasn't just one biblical scholar that said apostolic succession was a myth because its not biblical.

The Roman Catholic church had to devise something to keep their hold on power. There is so much material to show why the pope was never infallible in certain doctrinal matters yet a vote declared him to be in 1870. That caused a split among some Catholics. It makes no sense that God would forget to include things of such importance in the bible but popes are free to make things up as they see fit. The best examples are Mary's ascension into heaven (never happened) and saying Mary was sinless (not true either).

You can say whatever you like. So can any other religion. People can read up on them all and choose what to believe.