pafret Loc: Northeast

Blasphemy according to the religious powers at the time.

Morgan

Ah yes, blasphemy, we don't have any people inciting that dialog anymore, right? Does this type of aggression remind you of anything?

Morgan

Sorry Arch, I call BS on that suck it up response...completely, knowing how you feel about your daughter and knowing you a little bit by your responses on here over the years. That protective response never goes away or becomes compliant, I don't think anyway. Now I realize it's not the same as Ford, she's a completely different person, probably not as strong as your daughter from the get-go, just as she is nothing like mine, God help the man who ever does that. But Ford does not come across to me as a really strong person on her own. This has a lot to do why she was selected by those boys to begin with. She looked vulnerable and weak, these boys are basically cowards.

This was not a full rape, granted, but it also wasn't just an inappropriate squeeze or pinch on the ass either. Women a product of our society, as with men also, become conditioned to a role accepted by society, for women for centuries, has been to be submissive and obedient to men. Women are coming up and out and it's a good positive thing to finally come.

pafret Loc: Northeast

You also tell me, why are they so emphatic to swear Kavanaugh in rather than simply pick a new candidate. For Pete's sake look how at every turn Trump has been blocking the Russian investigation, from the very beginning, since Comey had revealed his suspicions. Now he wants to fire the person who heads the investigation, what do you need?

I don't know what utiopia you live in, but Kavanaugh was reputed to be the "best of the best". If we simply discard him because at some time he may or may not have engaged in behavior that is socially frowned upon or even, in his childhood something illegal, where does it stop? Candidate after candidate will be rejected on any faked grounds until the shrill voices of political whores are silent because one of their own has been proposed.

The firing of Rosenstein is long overdue, his conflicts of interest should have gotten him canned long ago. This latest debacle, where he was actively plotting against his boss and attempting to entrap him is particularly heinous. Having had the experience of such betrayal, personally, I can tell you that the only solution is to give Rosenstein the heave ho. What I don't understand is why Trump has not made that Priority One.

Rosenstein and his henchman Mueller, are the reason the Russian investigation has been stalled into dredging up ancient peccadilloes, which occurred long before the culprits association with Trump. The real Russian collusion, amply documented, within the culprits own emails, goes uninvestigated. A reason for part of that lack of investigation is that both Mueller and Rosenstein need to answer for their use of illegally obtained FISA warrants to subvert the election process. The Clinton's role in this collusion is an untouchable subject in Rosenstein's DOJ. And, it is Rosenstein's DOJ, because that twit Sessions has castrated himself and does not lead.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Actually, I would tell my daughter that if she were to put herself in the same position as that Ford woman has put herself in.
And I don't believe that she was this doe eyed, innocent, shy little angel that you make her out to be. I graduated in '81, so I have a sense of how girls could be during that time. I knew my share of them.
There is NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to back her story up.

And you're right. My daughter can, will, and does do things that most men her age can't, or won't because they're too wussified.

pafret Loc: Northeast

Again another assumption on your part, that Ford's testimony is absolute truth, when in fact recovered memories are not acceptable as evidence, in court. There is no way to comprehend what goes into those "recovered memories". Ford may be absolutely convinced that what she states is true and yet be dead wrong.

Your immediate characterization of those boys as cowards implicitly assumes they did what Ford has accused them, of doing, and there is not one Iota of evidence to prove they did.

Morgan

And what about Merrick Garland, what was wrong with him that the GOP refused him. He graduated summa cum laude from Harvard College and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. Quite impressive and that was only the beginning, what was wrong with him? yet you folks dragged your feet until the clock ran out. Is this sounding at all familiar?

Where does it stop? It stops with a person who is bi-partisan, doesn't have a party agenda, or a questionable background.

All your other accusations are a sound off from your party's diatribe. Look at how many are guilty fromTrump's corral, Should we play a tape of all the people Trump selected and were so GREAT and then Trump turned on them and called them any insulting word that floated through his head. I would love to see that! LOL

What is long overdue, is getting Trump sworn in to testify. If you've had betrayal happen, you can thank your lucky stars you don't work for Trump, if you don't kiss his feet you might as well kiss your ass goodbye.

Morgan

I wasn't talking about the case, but rather the predicament. At this point, we are ALL assuming now aren't we? I haven't come to any conclusions yet, I've said that, I've also admitted that I felt she appeared more credible, I'm not alone in that call and it is my opinion.

But yes, I agree anything is possible at this point. You need to be careful when you butt into another's conversation, you've misconstrued a lot of things I've said. When I referred to boys being cowardly it was to any male who would take advantage of an inebriated girl. Classic isn't it? It was a generalization, one I believe to be true.

http://youtu.be/8KJeA74PTTo Take a Drunk Girl Home..."that's how you know the difference between a boy and a man"...

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Twist, and shout........

pafret Loc: Northeast

Where does it stop? It stops with a person who is bi-partisan, doesn't have a party agenda, or a questionable background.

There has not been such a person since Andrew Jackson introduced the spoils system to Washington. You are never going to get Trump to Swear In to Testify since you cannot produce any evidence of misfeasance or malfeasance so if you are enamored with your ass start kissing.

pafret Loc: Northeast

Then you must have associated with some very scuzzy people because none of my male friends or acquaintances included force, drugs or alcohol as a seduction tool. A lot of people got drunk and did things they would not ordinarily do but drunkenness was not a way of life. It was too expensive and no one could afford it.

As far as misconstruing, I took pains to capture the specific elements of your writing I was offering rebuttal about. Those are your words in Italics, not mine. If all you are doing is creating hypothetical situations to vent your hatred for men start your own post and we will debate that.

Morgan

Morgan

WOW WOW that was some GIANT leap, LOL... I don't hate men, where did you get that! I'm sorry did I miss something? Were we not talking about predators, since that is our topic you somehow, from left field, think that's who I associated with? Tell me when did this get personal to me? That's some critical thinking you got going there Paf. Tell me, if I were talking about homosexuals does that make me one too?

Note to self... don't use hypotheticals to posters on Opp.

Morgan

Where did I ever said I was enamored with my own ass, nice inappropriate twist, but that is what you folks love to do. If you have a problem with What I said just above, we have bigger problems then I thought. And...AND I disagree with Andrew Jackson, how do ya like them apples. Trump won't swear in as long as he has Kavanaugh, isn't that the real issue, get real for once.

Morgan

Um, Arch this is an incomplete sentence..."Actually, I would tell my daughter that if she were to put herself in the same position as that Ford woman has put herself in." Yeah, if she did... what?

I don't recall making her out to be pure an innocent, she was 15, what was she really, who was she really? I'd like to know myself, some character feedback from teachers would help. We can't go by friends who write in yearbooks, kids like the drama and to exaggerate. Who are the adults here, are we adults who have completely forgotten the demographics of high school? Yes your correct and so am I. Not to mention that things in high school are almost never how they appear. People have two faces, one for the public and one in private, also true here on Opp.

Speaking of yearbooks, can I share this with you, my son just graduated last June, his school didn't get their yearbooks to the students until the END of August! How could they do that! Outrageous.What say you?