Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Any thing that exists must have a cause. Something cannot come from nothing. Astronomers and astrophysicists have proven that the universe had a beginning and that its universal constants are so finely tuned that any minute deviation in the gravitational constant, in the strong and weak nuclear forces, or in electromagnetism would prohibit life.

FYI: God has never, not once, ignored His creation.

Carol Kelly

I wish I could remember and quote you to my friends

Carol Kelly

I believe as you do. You phrase it so very well.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Why not?

Morgan

Well...Go ahead...I'm listening, no worries, I'm more about perception than judgment.

Nickolai

https://youtu.be/wupToqz1e2g
Something can come from nothing. But you god can create something from nothing right ?? If It created all this for a reason and is a loving god why did it create a world where everything In it has to kill something else and eat it to survive ? And why such complexity ? 20 -30 million species 60 % of which are parasites that attach them selves to other things and suck their fluids out to make a living. What did it do the first 196,000 years after the first of our species emerged in east Africa, Why did HEAVEN wait until a 4500 years ago reveal its self. What has it done since then. Has it cured an amputee. I can list all the similarities between all religious myths and their commonality. I can point out the great harm that is facilitated by religion. But most of that has already been stated time and again and it quite often fails to sway the most devout of believers. So what I want to offer, and what I want anyone who reads this to take away from it is this: I can list all the similarities between all religious myths and their commonality. I can point out the great harm that is facilitated by religion. But most of that has already been stated time and again and it quite often fails to sway the most devout of believers. So what I want to offer, and what I want anyone who reads this to take away from it is this: I don’t care if you are religious or not. I don’t want to destroy anyone’s faith. I simply want everyone to understand that if we want to thrive and succeed as a species, we have to ALL start putting humanity first. Because the only being we can count on to be there and do for us is ourselves. No one is comming to save us or the tiny pale Blue Dot spinning in the blackness of space that is the only home we know

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Adios, amigo, you're too damned far into the Twilight Zone for anything you claim to make a bit of sense. Who gives a shit what you have to offer, it is all biased, subjective argument with absolutely no realistic foundation. The creator of the universe IS NOT a religion. He is an infinite intelligence that passeth all understanding.

Nickolai

Ah but people pray, they attend church, they tith, they read holy books, and listen to proselytizers. Doesn't that constitute religion. Who ever or what ever is responsible for the existence of the universe could not possibly know of our existence. We human beings are so tiny, so insignificant we are virtually non existent in the scheme of the cosmos. Blade you are hurling insults and have not answered one of my question. If you don't like those I have a boatload more of them. At the base of our hair follicles there up to three parasites living there making a living off off of our blood cells. There are microbes that come out on our faces at night to have sex. If there is a reason for every thing, what the heck is the reason for that ? There is bacteria living in our gut that helps us digest our food. Does the bible mention that anywhere. The Mariana Trench east of the Philippines is 36,200 feet deep the deepest place on earth. The pressure is 15,750 PSI. Enough pressure to squash a man flat, yet there are living things crawling and swimming in the inky black blackness (where photo synthesis doesn't come with In a country mile ) making their living on the chemical broth that spews from the rift in the earths crust. What is the reason for that ?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

At 1400 feet below sea level, the surface of the Dead Sea is the lowest place on earth. So what? The angle of arc of the moon and the sun are the same. There is a reason for that. But let's ask the relevant question.

What is the reason for these?

Fine Tuning Parameters for the Universe

strong nuclear force constant
if larger: no hydrogen would form; atomic nuclei for most life-essential elements would be unstable; thus, no life chemistry
if smaller: no elements heavier than hydrogen would form: again, no life chemistry

weak nuclear force constant
if larger: too much hydrogen would convert to helium in big bang; hence, stars would convert too much matter into heavy elements making life chemistry impossible
if smaller: too little helium would be produced from big bang; hence, stars would convert too little matter into heavy elements making life chemistry impossible

gravitational force constant
if larger: stars would be too hot and would burn too rapidly and too unevenly for life chemistry.
if smaller: stars would be too cool to ignite nuclear fusion; thus, many of the elements needed for life chemistry would never form. The universe would collapse into itself.

electromagnetic force constant
if greater: chemical bonding would be disrupted; elements more massive than boron would be unstable to fission
if lesser: chemical bonding would be insufficient for life chemistry

ratio of electromagnetic force constant to gravitational force constant
if larger: all stars would be at least 40% more massive than the sun; hence, stellar burning would be too brief and too uneven for life support
if smaller: all stars would be at least 20% less massive than the sun, thus incapable of producing heavy elements

ratio of electron to proton mass
if larger: chemical bonding would be insufficient for life chemistry
if smaller: same as above

ratio of number of protons to number of electrons
if larger: electromagnetism would dominate gravity, preventing galaxy, star, and planet formation
if smaller: same as above

expansion rate of the universe
if larger: no galaxies would form
if smaller: universe would collapse, even before stars formed

entropy level of the universe
if larger: stars would not form within proto-galaxies
if smaller: no proto-galaxies would form

mass density of the universe
if larger: overabundance of deuterium from big bang would cause stars to burn rapidly, too rapidly for life to form
if smaller: insufficient helium from big bang would result in a shortage of heavy elements

velocity of light
if faster: stars would be too luminous for life support if slower: stars would be insufficiently luminous for life support

age of the universe
if older: no solar-type stars in a stable burning phase would exist in the right (for life) part of the galaxy
if younger: solar-type stars in a stable burning phase would not yet have formed

initial uniformity of radiation
if more uniform: stars, star clusters, and galaxies would not have formed
if less uniform: universe by now would be mostly black holes and empty space

average distance between galaxies
if larger: star formation late enough in the history of the universe would be hampered by lack of material
if smaller: gravitational tug-of-wars would destabilize the sun's orbit

density of galaxy cluster
if denser: galaxy collisions and mergers would disrupt the sun's orbit
if less dense: star formation late enough in the history of the universe would be hampered by lack of material

average distance between stars
if larger: heavy element density would be too sparse for rocky planets to form
if smaller: planetary orbits would be too unstable for life

fine structure constant (describing the fine-structure splitting of spectral lines) if larger: all stars would be at least 30% less massive than the sun
if larger than 0.06: matter would be unstable in large magnetic fields
if smaller: all stars would be at least 80% more massive than the sun

decay rate of protons
if greater: life would be exterminated by the release of radiation
if smaller: universe would contain insufficient matter for life

12C to 16O nuclear energy level ratio
if larger: universe would contain insufficient oxygen for life
if smaller: universe would contain insufficient carbon for life

ground state energy level for 4He
if larger: universe would contain insufficient carbon and oxygen for life
if smaller: same as above

decay rate of 8Be
if slower: heavy element fusion would generate catastrophic explosions in all the stars
if faster: no element heavier than beryllium would form; thus, no life chemistry

ratio of neutron mass to proton mass
if higher: neutron decay would yield too few neutrons for the formation of many life-essential elements
if lower: neutron decay would produce so many neutrons as to collapse all stars into neutron stars or black holes

initial excess of nucleons over anti-nucleons
if greater: radiation would prohibit planet formation
if lesser: matter would be insufficient for galaxy or star formation

polarity of the water molecule
if greater: heat of fusion and vaporization would be too high for life
if smaller: heat of fusion and vaporization would be too low for life; liquid water would not work as a solvent for life chemistry; ice would not float, and a runaway freeze-up would result

supernovae eruptions
if too close, too frequent, or too late: radiation would exterminate life on the planet
if too distant, too infrequent, or too soon: heavy elements would be too sparse for rocky planets to form

white dwarf binaries
if too few: insufficient fluorine would exist for life chemistry
if too many: planetary orbits would be too unstable for life
if formed too soon: insufficient fluorine production
if formed too late: fluorine would arrive too late for life chemistry

ratio of exotic matter mass to ordinary matter mass
if larger: universe would collapse before solar-type stars could form
if smaller: no galaxies would form

number of effective dimensions in the early universe
if larger: quantum mechanics, gravity, and relativity could not coexist; thus, life would be impossible
if smaller: same result

number of effective dimensions in the present universe
if smaller: electron, planet, and star orbits would become unstable
if larger: same result

mass of the neutrino
if smaller: galaxy clusters, galaxies, and stars would not form
if larger: galaxy clusters and galaxies would be too dense

big bang ripples
if smaller: galaxies would not form; universe would expand too rapidly
if larger: galaxies/galaxy clusters would be too dense for life; black holes would dominate; universe would collapse before life-site could form

size of the relativistic dilation factor
if smaller: certain life-essential chemical reactions will not function properly
if larger: same result

uncertainty magnitude in the Heisenberg uncertainty principle
if smaller: oxygen transport to body cells would be too small and certain life-essential elements would be unstable
if larger: oxygen transport to body cells would be too great and certain life-essential elements would be unstable

cosmological constant
if larger: universe would expand too quickly to form solar-type stars

Nickolai

https://youtu.be/FVW9CBI52nU
The Mariana Trench is the lowest place on the globe and none of that stuff matters . For life cannot exist as we know it with out water in its liquid form It's that simple. And If it were not for giant hotly burning stars in the early Universe there would be no Carbon which was manufactured in the core of these stars from tremendous het and pressure Conditions that manufactured all the heavy elements. Elements that were spewed in to space and gaseous nebula. Many Cosmologist believe the Earth maybe in a third carnation. That given the age of the Universe the heavy elements in the sun and its planets may have been manufactured In the cores of these early giants which burn furiously then explode in Super Nova's were incorporated in other stars which in turn went Super Nova and incorporated in to stars such as our local star the sun and its Solar system. An interesting hypothesis in this video of the roll Rocks and minerals has played in the origin of life on earth

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

It really takes a lot of faith to believe your belief.

Morgan

Man likes to create rules, these things you speak of clearly show the exception to the rule, beautifully... I can walk away with a message just from that. We like to think of ourselves as masters of the planet/universe and evolved...HA, when in the spectrum of things we are not. With all the years we've been around, look how unevolved we really are, we are still infants fighting amongst ourselves... for what really. Most, especially those in power wanting more power, just don't get it.

I'm hopeful, as people really begin to realize this connection, we will finally stop fighting and work together, that is my hope for the future anyway. If not in my lifetime maybe the next, I mean, all it is is the change of an attitude and only as hard as we make it to be.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Great post BR.
A keeper!
Lets see Nick pick this apart. LOL

https://youtu.be/AnBtCKRUUV8

Nickolai

I dont belive in belife. What I " think "is based on the current evidence as I see it. If new evedence emerges them my way of thinking will change. It is fluid , objective, and deductive. A combination of history, and science, and logic .