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Will Those Who Say Catholics Are Going to Hell, Go to Hell?
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Apr 9, 2018 12:32:09   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
pafret wrote:
Pulling quotations from the bible out of context, without a grounding in moral philosophy is worthless, it leads to endless error. In order to be saved you need a belief in God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and you need to lead a moral life. Catholicism recognizes that man's imperfect nature means that he will inevitably fall from the Grace given by Christ;'s sacrifice. To this end the priesthood was empowered by Christ to give absolution.

Then why don't you provide backup of your assertions from the Bible rather than the doctrine of man? You haven't provided even one. Do you even read it?

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Apr 9, 2018 12:45:15   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
[quote=Justsss]
crazylibertarian wrote:
I’ll tell you what, Justsss, why don’t you tell us what your Sunday service is first.

CL, my sabbath is dedicated ( just like every other day) to my LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Since you call David W.Daniels book of understanding about the origins of faith sewer water I really won’t waste anymore time answering your questions.
Have fun with that popey, priesty, JESUS still hanging on the cross stuff.
If I remember it correctly catholics burned CHRISTIANS.
Always wondered when all of a sudden catholics became “Christians” ?
It must be somewhere in those Alexandrine writings ?
CL, have a great day and realize that we will just have to agree to disagree.
I’ll tell you what, Justsss, why don’t you tell us... (show quote)


As usual you ignore my points.

It doesn't surprise me that you find that popey, priesty Jesus objectionable since it's only the central event of Christianity and you must be so unfamiliar with it.

Your question really should be when did protestants become Christians since Catholics have a head start of about 1,500 years.

Have a great day yourself and be content in and don't forget, it wasn't Catholics who did those Witch Hunts in Salem.

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Apr 9, 2018 12:46:11   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
...So, I take it your pastor Greg Tyra, has no special training in theology.

You don't have very good reading comprehension do you? I said that he (and me) are being taught by the Holy Spirit.

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Apr 9, 2018 12:46:36   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Then why don't you provide backup of your assertions from the Bible rather than the doctrine of man? You haven't provided even one. Do you even read it?


He's obviously far more familiar with Christ's message than you.

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Apr 9, 2018 12:47:29   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
out of the woods wrote:
All sin separates us fom God, so is therefore mortal. So are you saying you are free from sin? I am free from in in that , because of Christ , Iam forgiven, once for all. Are you saying that you, you, must finish what Christ finished?


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Apr 9, 2018 12:48:23   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
pafret wrote:
Why do you think you have free will? Christ made the sacrifice, yet if you do not will to follow the moral precepts given to us in the 10 commandments and the natural law you are rejecting Christs sacrifice. Do you believe that monsters like Pol Pot are saved?

Pick any infamous Atheist such as Madalyn Murray O'Hair, do you think that someone who spent their life persecuting Christians was saved by Christ's sacrifice? If you truly believe that there is no further action required on your part then there is no morality for you.
Why do you think you have free will? Christ made ... (show quote)

You don’t seem to understand. Just because Jesus died for you on the cross doesn’t save you. You have to make a conscious decision in your heart through faith to accept his gift of salvation.

But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10:8-13

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Apr 9, 2018 12:49:04   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
pafret wrote:
Pulling quotations from the bible out of context, without a grounding in moral philosophy is worthless, it leads to endless error. In order to be saved you need a belief in God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and you need to lead a moral life. Catholicism recognizes that man's imperfect nature means that he will inevitably fall from the Grace given by Christ;'s sacrifice. To this end the priesthood was empowered by Christ to give absolution.

Show me how it's out of context.

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Apr 9, 2018 12:49:54   #
bahmer
 
mwdegutis wrote:


I was afraid when I saw the heading that this would turn into a food fight and I was right.

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Apr 9, 2018 12:53:36   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I’ll tell you what, Justsss, why don’t you tell us what your Sunday service is first. And for that matter, so should you, mwdegutis. Rather than doing your cut & pastes from The Bible, as important as they are, tell us who the most important person is at your service. ...

Actually three...God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

You don't read the Bible do you?

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Apr 9, 2018 12:56:41   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
[quote=crazylibertarian]As usual you ignore my points. ?????

Oh I forgot how’s that Mary idolatry thing going for you ?

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Apr 9, 2018 12:57:00   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
He's obviously far more familiar with Christ's message than you.

Then why doesn't he use the Bible to prove what he says. It's QUITE apparent that you don't read it!

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Apr 9, 2018 12:58:42   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Actually three...God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

You don't read the Bible do you?




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Apr 9, 2018 13:31:58   #
Radiance3
 
mwdegutis wrote:
There's only ONE reason why Catholics or anyone else for that matter will go to hell. That person has not been saved by freely accepting what Jesus Christ did for them on the cross.

...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God... Romans 3:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

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Wrong! Ignorance is dangerous! JESUS CHRIST is the CENTRAL FOCUS OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH, and in ALL MASSES. "No one comes to the Father except through me"

Here are your fellow pastors going to hell: Very lucrative salesmen.
The richest Pastors in America.
1.Kenneth Copeland $ 760 million
2. TD Jakes $150 million, black
3. David Oyepo $ 150 million black
4. Pat Robertson $ 100 million
5. Binny Hinn $42 million
6. Joel Oslteen $ 40 million
7, Crefto Dollar $ 27 million
8. Rick Warren $ 25 million''
9. Joyce Meyer $ 25 million
10. Juanita Bynum $ 10 million
11. John Hagee $5 million
12. Paula White $ 5 million
13. Joel Jones $5 million
14. Farrakhan $ 3 million -Black Muslim.

Mark 12:17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God, what is for God.

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

These are some of the people who believe that Faith alone in Jesus Christ can save them even without work.
Because they work to enrich themselves and not for God.

Jesus says, "Love God above all things with your heart, mind, soul, and strength. Then he said "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
How do you love your neighbor? By helping them especially those who need most.
Caring for one another.

CHARITY is one of the most important virtues of the Catholic Church. Locally and all over the world, the Catholic Church sends priest, missionaries, building schools to educate them, provide water supplies, provide medical aids by caring for the sick, help build homes. Many times priests and nun have been killed by non-Christians like Muslims who the missionaries have helped. They help everybody, Christians or Non-Christians.

For God said, faith without work is dead!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A14-26&version=NKJV

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Apr 9, 2018 13:38:34   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
He's obviously far more familiar with Christ's message than you.

You won't truly understand Christ's message until you accept what He did for you on the cross...

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 1 Corinthians 1:18-25

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Apr 9, 2018 13:41:52   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Wrong! Ignorance is dangerous!

Here are your fellow pastors going to hell: Very lucrative salesmen.
The richest Pastors in America.
1.Kenneth Copeland $ 760 million
2. TD Jakes $150 million, black
3. David Oyepo $ 150 million black
4. Pat Robertson $ 100 million
5. Binny Hinn $42 million
6. Joel Oslteen $ 40 million
7, Crefto Dollar $ 27 million
8. Rick Warren $ 25 million''
9. Joyce Meyer $ 25 million
10. Juanita Bynum $ 10 million
11. John Hagee $5 million
12. Paula White $ 5 million
13. Joel Jones $5 million
14. Farrakhan $ 3 million -Black Muslim.
Mark 12:17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God, what is to God.
================ br Wrong! Ignorance is dangerous!... (show quote)

Would you please explain why my alleged ignorance is dangerous.

Most of the "pastors," and I'll use that term loosely, on your list are nothing but charlatans...just like your pope.

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