Nickolai

Well then take her into custody and charge her with a crime if you think she has broken a law. Could you please cite the law and its number so folks can reference it

pafret Loc: Northeast

Supporting drones is now a matter of social responsibility. How is this any different then the slavery a civil war was fought to end?

Nickolai

Immigration is a federal responsibility not a state obligation and California has the sixth largest economy in the world among nations and is the largest food producing state. 750,000 Hispanics pick the crops tens of thousands clean the office buildings bus restaurant tables, clean hotel rooms, If our work force were to be deported the economy would collapse and probably the nations economy. These people have become an integral part of the economy' They own small business, and Trump vindictive as he is, is picking on California because Clinton got 4 million more votes that he did. He was in San Diego yesterday looking at wall proto types bad mouthing California saying the state is a disaster. It is not --the state has led the nation in economic growth and job creation since 2010 has the lowest in employment In 40 years.

Nickolai

That's bull local police have no obligation to assist ICE

Nickolai

Un documented immigrants are not eligible to vote in our elections

mactheknife

She did a lot more than "not assist"; she forewarned the illegal aliens of a pending ICE raid and that amounts to "obstruction". That is a crime. Further more she swore in her oath of office to "uphold the laws of the United States"- Federal laws that trump state law in matters of immigration. She should face the consequences of her action.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

California has the Highest Poverty rate in the nation..as you brag up the rogue state of California.. I have noticed that you will not address this huge problem..
You always brag up, that you are the most truthfully informed hombre this side if the Pecos...
So, oh learned one, what is the cause of this distinction of Cali, holding first place out of 57 states😁..for the highest poverty rate?
Good job...no offense...

PS... don't hold back.

straightUp Loc: California

...and THAT's about as strong as any argument I've so far seen supporting this idiot lawsuit, including from Sessions. No reference to ANY specific law, just a general... "feeling" that what California is doing is *somehow* a violation of some federal law or other. I just spent 20 minutes looking for the answer to this question "what federal law is California sanctuary actually breaking?" and every answer is a tap dance. YouTube is just loaded up with clips from Fox News which only indicates how wound up the conservatives are about all this. LOL.

I already explained why the Supremacy Clause has no bearing on California's sanctuary laws, complete with references to specific laws (imagine that). So what you need to do now is find a federal law that specifically prohibits the provisions of the sanctuary laws in CA. If you can't do that then sit down. Now, Congress has written a LOT of laws over the centuries and I'm sure teams of lawyers are scouring the books for *SOMETHING* to make a case, but so far all they have is a lot of hot air and big chunk of YOUR money to spend on those legal busybodies. What a great administration eh? LOL


If it does... (The Supreme Court has already refused to hear Trump's appeal when he tried to skip over the 9th Circuit). If it DOES go to the SCOTUS, my bet is on California. I know some people think California will loose because the SCOTUS is mostly conservative, but that really doesn't bring as much to bear on the issue as you are probably hoping for. The Constitution is still the deciding factor and if Sessions can't come up with a clear violation, they're going to spank the little brat for wasting their time.


Obama never actually said that. What he said was that he doesn't have the authority to create laws...remember what I said about Article II of the Constitution and how the President is not empowered to create laws? But DACA is not a law it's an executive order designed to be a stopgap until Congress passes actual laws regarding immigration. This is why he famously called himself "a president, not a king". I know Trump (who thinks he is king) said that Obama admitted that DACA is unconstitutional but we all know what a liar Trump is.

If you have any doubts read the transcript of his speech from the Rose Garden when he signed DACA, it's actually on the White House website... Amazingly, the Trump administration hasn't taken it down yet. Here it is... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/15/remarks-president-immigration

Yes, I was OK with Obama signing DACA. I didn't protest the move because it was NOT unconstitutional and it allowed him to focus the energy of federal law enforcement on actual criminals instead of deporting immigrants with good intentions. It's not Obama's fault that Congress refused to move on immigration laws. And yes, Trump *DID* create the current crisis because the asshole *decided* to repeal DACA BEFORE Congress moves on immigration.

There are no federal laws that say ANYTHING about the children of illegal immigrants who are here through no action of their own. So California has the constitutional authority and will continue to protect them since the current Nazi regime is bent on tearing their families apart for no other reason than pure simple hatred... (and the obvious stick up Session's ass). Bottom line, the Trump regime doesn't have the constitutional authority to attack California, nor do they have the economic leverage... Trump mentioned cutting federal subsidies, but that would encourage CA to stop funding the federal government and since California is one of the biggest "giver" states in the union, the federal government would be getting the short end of that deal. What else have they threatened us with? Oh, yeah - Trump said he considered just pulling the federal agents out... LOL. Nothing would make us happier.

straightUp Loc: California

I'm not understanding how drones is a matter of social responsibility. Maybe you can explain further?


Well, since I don't really understand your first point, the reference made from your second point is lost on me, but I can certainly attest to the many forms of slavery that the Civil War failed to end (if that was ever what the war was really fought for).

straightUp Loc: California

From 2013 to 2015, California had America’s 17th-highest poverty rate... 15% according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s Official Poverty Measure which uses income levels to determine poverty, but doesn't consider differences in cost-of-living among states. So the poverty rate, in this case, isn't what you're thinking it is, especially in a state where you have extremely affluent areas in which local business tend to overcharge, elevating the average cost of living across the state.

I'm not saying California is without it's problems and they often do seem like HUGE problems but that's because it's the 7th largest economy in the world. California has Japan-size problems... Germany-size problems, UK-size problems, not just Kansas-size problems. But it's funny to see the bumpkins out there getting all excited about the size of California's problems like it's going to bring us down. LOL

2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

Its called the SUPREMECY CLAUSE kevin. Plain and simple! Get over it already.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

The arrogance of prune pickers, is another reason that I'm happy to not live in one of the shith0le like cities of fornia, especially so cal,
Cal has the highest poverty rate, so glad that I moved out, ...even my relatives, who live in the Sierra's don't care for likes of the Flatlanders coming up and acting city.. I guarantee that they have lived in California longer than you have and are disgusted by you ghetto rats, perverts, and just plain ol weirdo freaks..

straightUp Loc: California

LOL - Apparently not plain and simple enough for you to understand it. I'm guessing you skipped over my explanation as to why the "Supremacy Clause" is not even relevant. It's really not that hard to actually read that law - you folks ought to try it.

Article VI, Clause 2:
[i]This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and [color=red]all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States[/quote], shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.[/i]

3rd grade grammar should be enough to read this and see that the clause is referring specifically to...

1. the Constitution itself, (which contains NO conflict with the California sanctuary laws.)
2. the Laws of the United States, which Article 1 of the Constitution says only Congress can make (That's what made in Pursuance thereof means) AND (which so far, contains NO conflict with California sanctuary laws.)
3. all Treaties made under the Authority of the United States (none of which contain any conflict with California sanctuary laws.)

So, the Supremacy Clause *is* specifically applied to those three types of laws. As much as Trump and his pokemon, Jeff Sessions wishes it was, the Supremacy Clause is NOT a carte blanche ticket for the federal government to run roughshod over the states.

There are three California sanctuary laws SB 54, AB 450, AB 103 that Sessions has a problem with and none of them actually conflict with the Constitution, federal law OR any treaty signed under the Authority of the United States. The ONLY conflict presented by these California laws are with the Trump Administration's own agenda which has no legislative power over ANY state.

My advise to you is learn how to read the actual laws and stop being such a sucker for the bullshit. ;)

pafret Loc: Northeast

"focus the energy of federal law enforcement on actual criminals instead of deporting immigrants with good intentions."

Immigrants are not deported unless they violate US Law. Illegal aliens are criminals, not immigrants. They are in violation, of the law, by simply being here and their intentions don't matter whatsoever. The fact that they concealed themselves, to avoid being scooped up and deported is not a plus factor because while they were concealed, in this country many of them committed further crimes such as applying for welfare benefits and public services such as schooling for which US Citizens have to bear the cost.

straightUp Loc: California

That's good to hear! We were getting pretty tired of all the people moving here from the mid-west... Please spread the word to all your neighbors about what a shitholes the CA cities are - PLEASE!


LOL - are you aware that the post you are responding to actually explains why the poverty rate is skewed? I'd explain it again, but that might go over your 100 word limit ;) I *will* point out however, that if the poverty rate is reason enough for you to move, the very simple conclusion is that you were trying to live beyond your means. A lettuce picker trying to live in a Beverly Hills mansion for example WILL put him below the poverty line.


My kids and I snowboard in the Sierra's all the time and we have friends that live in Tahoe, so we're very familiar with the "flatlander" banter. It's mostly a local-pride thing and most locals laugh at themselves for taking part in it, but it sounds like the stick up YOUR ass goes a bit deeper.