maryjane

I agree but not just the governors, mayors, etc. ALL these top leaders have governing groups they haved to listen to, such as state legislatures and city/county commissioners. So, arrests should include those that have been supporting sanctuary. I feel this is something vital to our nation and we simply must put an end to it. I also think nonsanctuary states should be held accountable for any of their cities/counties that are operating as sanctuaries because they are first accountable to the state which has been allowing this to go on.

Hadenough

Two thumbs up! 👍 👍

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

They should be arrested for being accessories to crimes committed by those they harbored.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Got mixed results when I searched for this.. some as you said, others with differing conclusions..


this short piece from one article..

http://immigrantjustice.org/sites/immigrantjustice.org/files/Immigrants_in_Local_Jails%202011.pdf

The Costs
Detaining immigrants in state or local law enforcement custody is an enormously expensive
endeavor. Firstly, incarcerating anyone is expensive, with costs around the country averaging
$79 per person per day.14 Jail maintenance and operations can be a significant portion of county
budgets; in Broward County, FL, the jail represents 25¢ out of every tax dollar.15
Secondly, as DHS has encouraged local law enforcement to assist with immigration enforcement
and ICE ACCESS programs have grown, more non-citizens are identified, and ICE has used local
jails to hold more people so that ICE can take custody. Thus immigrants are spending more
time in municipal and county jails, and the costs fall on local residents. ICE does not generally
10 Not counting weekends and holidays, as directed in the federal regulations 8 C.F.R. § 287.7 11 See National Immigration Forum, “Quick Information on Immigration Detainers,” (Jan. 2011) available at
http://www.immigrationforum.org/images/uploads/2010/DetainersBackgrounder.pdf. 12 See e.g. U.S. v. Garcia-Gallardo, 20090220_0000189.DKS, 2009 WL 113412 at *2, (D. Kan. Feb. 20, 2009). 13 Trevor Gardner II and Aarti Kohli, “The C.A.P. Effect: Racial Profiling in the ICE Criminal Alien Program,” Chief Justice Earl
Warren Institute on Race, Ethnicity and Diversity, U.C. Berkeley Law School, Sept. 2009. 14Jennifer Warren, “One in 31, The Long Reach of American Corrections,” The Pew Center on the States, (Mar. 2009) p.13. 15 Alex Piquero, “Cost-Benefit Analysis for Jail Alternatives and Jail,” Florida State Univ. Col. Of Criminology and Criminal
Justice, (Oct. 2010).
reimburse localities for holding someone on a detainer, because they are not officially in ICE
custody. While this additional jail time waiting for ICE may be only a matter of days or weeks in
an individual case, it amounts to millions of dollars annually in county correctional budgets.
These millions of dollars are primarily spent holding non-dangerous arrestees whose citizenship
or immigration status is in question, but many of whom may never be convicted of a crime and
pose no danger to public safety. They may even be legal residents or U.S. citizens.

straightUp Loc: California

I say no. They should in fact be commended for standing up to the tyranny that Trump and Sessions are trying to force on the American people, especially "that woman from Oakland" otherwise known as the Libby Schaaf, the Mayor of Oakland and a true American hero.

While Trump is lying to the rest of America about the need to "save" American cities from evil immigrants and all their "future crimes", tiny little Jeff Sessions had the audacity to address the California Peace Officers’ Assn in Sacramento with an announcement that he is going to sue their state over the sanctuary laws. During his speech he declared that California doesn’t have a right to refuse his orders because “Federal law is the supreme law of the land.”



Indeed, there is a “Supremacy Clause” in the Constitution… Article VI, Clause 2 says…

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

Clearly, this confirms that federal law *IS* the “Supreme Law of the Land”. But the Constitution is also very clear about who has the power to MAKE these supreme federal laws… Article I gives that power to Congress, not the President. Powers delegated to the President are listed in Article II and do not include ANY legislative power. According to the Constitution, Trump and Sessions are supposed to be enforcing the federal laws that come from Congress, not their own executive orders (which according the U.S. Constitution are NOT "federal laws"). BTW, this separation of powers is precisely what differentiates a constitutional republic from a dictatorship.

So this is why the little weasel is on the loosing side of a constitutional argument and it's why he is going to wind up wasting millions of your tax dollars on a pointless law suite. *yawn*

straightUp Loc: California

To both king hall and permafrost... 'Good to see some actual thought being put into this issue. I'm guessing the differing conclusions come from the fact that local authorities have different systems. The system that concerns me most is the privatized prison-industrial complex. The strongest advocates of hard-line immigration policies are the companies that build and operate privatized prisons where those being detained are forced into slave labor, which effectively absorbs the cost of keeping these people chained up. This probably explains why the rate of deportation has dropped since the Obama Administration while the rate of arrest has increased.

And permafrost, excellent point about the incarcerated whose citizenship or immigration status is in question. Indeed, many of them have never actually been convicted of a crime and pose no danger to public safety. And indeed, they may even be legal residents or U.S. citizens. If we step back from the slap fights for a moment and look at the bigger picture, there's a very real threat rising and it's been going on for a while now, at least as far back as the passing of PATRIOT ACT which empowers local enforcement to disregard many of the constitutional limits on power by creating the "terrorist" exception. Immigrants are the new terrorists. U.S. citizens that stand up for human decency could very well be next.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Might as well cut to the chase;
Kalifornia is run by Democrats.
Kalifornia is in big trouble.
Protected illegal/alien Criminals are set free.
Kalifornia is going bankrupt.
The worker beees are tired of being beasts of burden; and are fleeing at record levels.
What happens when the parasite to worker bee (middle class) ratio keeps rising?

A problem?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Absolutely.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

California seem to be in fine shape... Gov. Brown has done a wonderful job..

mactheknife

Sessions seeks to enforce the existing laws that were created by congress, so that you are quite wrong. California is in violation of already existing laws so that this is not an issue of the edicts of President Trump. Let's see what the Supreme Court says when this issue makes to that body. You on the left were OK with Obama created DACA an act that he himself opined was unconstitutional. Where were you then? Did you protest Obama's move? I hope so because, otherwise" you are simply a hypocrite.

straightUp Loc: California

By all means...


If you mean California, then yes... despite there being more Republicans in California than in Texas, there are still even more Democrats and well, this is how democracy works, the majority rules. There are plenty of states that are run by Republicans too for the same reason... majority rules. So how is this a problem?


If you mean California... Ha, ha, ha, ha.... I don't think so.


If their crime is to find safety for themselves and their children or even just to find decent work BEFORE they have legal permission, I don't really see a problem. As far as I am concerned, the real crime is the immigration policy that interfere's with their human rights. It was also a crime for German citizens to offer sanctuary to Jews during the holocaust but I applaud those "criminals" for doing the decent thing. It was the same then, Nazi leaders constantly telling the Germans that Jews are all nasty thieves. Even Jesus Christ himself was a "criminal" according to the Roman authorities at the time and there was no shortage of false accusations then either.


States are legally not allowed to go bankrupt Eagle. But if you are referring to the great state of California, then perhaps you are referring to it's insolvency, along with New York, New Jersey and the rest of the wealthiest states in the union - all of them insolvent. It's an interesting pattern, the richest states are the most insolvent states - the most solvent states also happen to be the poorest. The same pattern exists on a global scale where the richest nation on Earth, the United States, is also the most insolvent nation on Earth. So, why don't you explain how insolvency is a problem for California but not for the U.S?


That's actually great news! Those "worker bees" that think supporting their society is a burden are making room for the immigrants that just want a better life. I welcome the change wholeheartedly.


Theoretically, yes - but if the parasites (who as far as I am concerned are the people who try to avoid the burden of social responsibility) are fleeing at record levels, then that should help keep that ratio down, don't you think?

straightUp Loc: California

Hear, Hear!

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Nickolai

Why ? She is a good woman and did not break any law What do you want a police state ala the Gestapo There is no law in refusing to conform like a jackbooted thug. Illinois also voted to be a sanctuary state. All that means is refusing to allow local to participate in knocking down peoples doors and arresting them. The state will not interfering in ICE opperations but will not assist. California has the lowest un-employment In 40 years and is suffering a labor shortage in harvesting the crops. A cabbage farmer had to let his crop rot in the field he could not find people to pick it and Americans will not do that kind of work and fearful of deportation

Nickolai

It's not the starts responsibility to enforce immigration and ICE is free to go about its business but with out the assistance of local law enforcement