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Feb 2, 2018 16:11:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RT friend wrote:
I've often brought all of those considerations to the light of day while trying not being agnostic about it, fundamentally we express what we find to be our best consideration for ourselves and the give it a Social distinction.

I haven't been there yet, I have been a bit busy lately, continually making the same mistakes, but I read good things about faulty thinking, someone on Quora (I'm Terry Loder on Quora Terence is my middle name) presenting "Alison and Carter " 2006.
1. It's faulty to think that it's virtuous to defend personal beliefs while also thinking it's morally reprehensible for those beliefs to be questioned publically.
2. Collective rationalisation is a necessary format for function to take place in, and the quandary is that "group think" is the essence of closed mindedness.
3. Stereotyping leads to the underestimation of those considered to be inferior.
4. Pressure towards uniformity incurs 'a group members practice' of self-censorship to in order to create unanimity.
6. The illusion of invulnerability brought on by past success causes a delusion of moral superiority.

This is in-group opposed to out-group, and that is probably where the concept of judgment comes from, the strongest individuals have either a dilemma or a challenge to fabricate a social group-think that incorporates the out-group credibly.

That's why pundits who work on the Ideologies, Religions, Philosophies are the best people who get to be listed in Heaven, see you there.

Afterthought.

It's probably wrong to project personal interests onto society, I don't think it works anyhow, however I do feel a duty to keeping trying so as to know the truth of the matter.

I've often brought all of those considerations to ... (show quote)


If we did not project personal interests into society what would have molded society in its humanistic nature, to be good to all, judge not,heck,right back to the very basics of right and wrong..?? OR do you see them as inherent traits forming out of existence itself???

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Feb 2, 2018 16:27:12   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
RT friend wrote:
I've often brought all of those considerations to the light of day while trying not being agnostic about it, fundamentally we express what we find to be our best consideration for ourselves and the give it a Social distinction.

I haven't been there yet, I have been a bit busy lately, continually making the same mistakes, but I read good things about faulty thinking, someone on Quora (I'm Terry Loder on Quora Terence is my middle name) presenting "Alison and Carter " 2006.
1. It's faulty to think that it's virtuous to defend personal beliefs while also thinking it's morally reprehensible for those beliefs to be questioned publically.
2. Collective rationalisation is a necessary format for function to take place in, and the quandary is that "group think" is the essence of closed mindedness.
3. Stereotyping leads to the underestimation of those considered to be inferior.
4. Pressure towards uniformity incurs 'a group members practice' of self-censorship to in order to create unanimity.
6. The illusion of invulnerability brought on by past success causes a delusion of moral superiority.

This is in-group opposed to out-group, and that is probably where the concept of judgment comes from, the strongest individuals have either a dilemma or a challenge to fabricate a social group-think that incorporates the out-group credibly.

That's why pundits who work on the Ideologies, Religions, Philosophies are the best people who get to be listed in Heaven, see you there.

Afterthought.

It's probably wrong to project personal interests onto society, I don't think it works anyhow, however I do feel a duty to keeping trying so as to know the truth of the matter.

I've often brought all of those considerations to ... (show quote)




You seem to be well read in the subject of physics but quite misinformed on the Bible, in which I am well read. That being said, I do not try to inject my beliefs onto anyone else. Instead I witness and try to inform those who do not speak with knowledge ( remember I said that all my work is for other people?). What made me comment to start with was the use of the term God/Allah. This is misinformation as Allah is a false god. In our debate, I have tried to inform you in short order of things I see that you are misinformed about, concerning Christianity and God's word, the Bible. I present these things to you with the love of Jesus in my heart and the wish that ALL would come to know him as their Savior.

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Feb 2, 2018 17:50:58   #
emarine
 
Loki wrote:
I am neither Christian, Jew, or Atheist. I wonder what's in store for me?
(Not Muslim either, BTW)




So was it you who created the universe old wise one?...

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Feb 2, 2018 20:00:34   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
emarine wrote:
So was it you who created the universe old wise one?...


If I did, I can uncreate it if it pisses me off, so you better watcha u ass.

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Feb 2, 2018 21:18:51   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Loki wrote:
If I did, I can uncreate it if it pisses me off, so you better watcha u ass.


Lolololololl Annndddd I believe you would too!!! Very good!! Lolollll

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Feb 2, 2018 21:21:49   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Loki wrote:
If I did, I can uncreate it if it pisses me off, so you better watcha u ass.


Lolololol Very good!! I believe you would too..


<<<<~~~~~ mental note to Linda, don't piss Loki off..

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Feb 2, 2018 23:02:37   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
lindajoy wrote:
If we did not project personal interests into society what would have molded society in its humanistic nature, to be good to all, judge not,heck,right back to the very basics of right and wrong..?? OR do you see them as inherent traits forming out of existence itself???

Well, I did say it was seemingly paradoxical, because the inevitable dillema has to be confronted as a litmus test in order to either strive to survive personally, or go down.

That's mainly because our individual leader in a position of social leadership accepts the challenge or ops-out, if he qiuits, and rarely does this ever happen, usually he's attacked by the contemporaries that he competed with to be in the position he won.

Naturally then the more bipartisanship existing between rival leaders the better for them it is, and so, this is always causing a security at the top for enterprise to exist under it.

Tribal,Feudal, Communal, and Capital driven social structures all embraced this methodology of providing security for leaders who become the architects of social punishments and rewards.

So function within paradox becomes competitive aspiring leaders strutting their Ideologies as deductive reasoning where one priority must be upheld at the expense of another because of limited resources available trying to match insatiable wants.

Alas, Confucius said this must inevitably lead to a concentration of wealth until the expectations can no longer be addressed, and then the leaders would be replaced by their immediate underlings, this is what Trump represented 13 months ago.

And it tends to happen much more in capital oriented society which China was, the very first one, very much so in the 4C BC when Confucius lived, and China is still exactly the same today, except the foot binding and castration has been forbidden.

Morality can't be reflected by a leaders capacity to understand social systems as a best one to pattern his leadership on, he'd be talking to himself.

So the leader that is aspiring to lead his community is limited by the inherent opportunities available to him.

If a conceivable opportunity is available and our leader has knowledge of it, but rejects that course of social construction for a personal reason, say for example, improving his personal bottom line, then we say that leader is corrupt.

I see it as intrinsic traits emanating from what is possible, and possible is a capacity for agreement within known beliefs that are already accepted by social contemporaries.

The highest priority is usually legal statutes, and legislated requirements, following that is reasoning underpinning personal beliefs that have broad agreement and after them are not so popular ones.

So the past being modified to suit the requirements of the present leadership is usually the threat to the highest priority within possibility, thus destroying possible fruitful social endeavours enhancing equal opportunity.

This methodology is built up from empirical development and not from a moral standpoint, to imply that deductive reasoning came from Theology either Christian or Muslim or even Abstract Thinking thinking itself is to say that Practical Concerns are not the highest priority, which we all know they are now, and always have been.



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Feb 4, 2018 18:59:18   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RT friend wrote:
Well, I did say it was seemingly paradoxical, because the inevitable dillema has to be confronted as a litmus test in order to either strive to survive personally, or go down.

That's mainly because our individual leader in a position of social leadership accepts the challenge or ops-out, if he qiuits, and rarely does this ever happen, usually he's attacked by the contemporaries that he competed with to be in the position he won.

Naturally then the more bipartisanship existing between rival leaders the better for them it is, and so, this is always causing a security at the top for enterprise to exist under it.

Tribal,Feudal, Communal, and Capital driven social structures all embraced this methodology of providing security for leaders who become the architects of social punishments and rewards.

So function within paradox becomes competitive aspiring leaders strutting their Ideologies as deductive reasoning where one priority must be upheld at the expense of another because of limited resources available trying to match insatiable wants.

Alas, Confucius said this must inevitably lead to a concentration of wealth until the expectations can no longer be addressed, and then the leaders would be replaced by their immediate underlings, this is what Trump represented 13 months ago.

And it tends to happen much more in capital oriented society which China was, the very first one, very much so in the 4C BC when Confucius lived, and China is still exactly the same today, except the foot binding and castration has been forbidden.

Morality can't be reflected by a leaders capacity to understand social systems as a best one to pattern his leadership on, he'd be talking to himself.

So the leader that is aspiring to lead his community is limited by the inherent opportunities available to him.

If a conceivable opportunity is available and our leader has knowledge of it, but rejects that course of social construction for a personal reason, say for example, improving his personal bottom line, then we say that leader is corrupt.

I see it as intrinsic traits emanating from what is possible, and possible is a capacity for agreement within known beliefs that are already accepted by social contemporaries.

The highest priority is usually legal statutes, and legislated requirements, following that is reasoning underpinning personal beliefs that have broad agreement and after them are not so popular ones.

So the past being modified to suit the requirements of the present leadership is usually the threat to the highest priority within possibility, thus destroying possible fruitful social endeavours enhancing equal opportunity.

This methodology is built up from empirical development and not from a moral standpoint, to imply that deductive reasoning came from Theology either Christian or Muslim or even Abstract Thinking thinking itself is to say that Practical Concerns are not the highest priority, which we all know they are now, and always have been.


Well, I did say it was seemingly paradoxical, beca... (show quote)


You do have a way with your words. Each paragraph brings about a certain level of need in understanding or realizing logic is not necessarily encumbent upon success or that which you pen here... Most Intriguing...

There is no doubt that narcissism has to be the main character trait within anyone seeking leadership... The contemporaries attacking ultimately make the chosen leader stronger Or indoctrinated to the powers of the contemporary..There really is not just one in charge, it is the mastery of some to fill the nucleus of many.... The ability of the leader is defined, the contemporaries content or seeking the demise of...Regardless of how the competition goes many will be discouraged or resistant, human traits do not change other than superficially.. Thus the consant throws of change or the believed notion it will...I beleve it will and does..

Trump is anything but a conformist having struggled with those of like who did not accept him even before the presidency...Perseverance his reward..A will to succeed his embellishment..

The architects of social punishments and reward is cultivated by our acceptance of or fear of the very persons we put above us ..As it is in other countries even when not having a democracy or republic ....

I’m afraid social endeavours enhancing equal opportunity is quickly becoming lost with the globalist endeavors to strip all us of any such achievement..Perhaps the will to achieve is greater thus our ability to keep “ them” at bay...

The highest priority is usually legal statutes, and legislated requirements, following that is reasoning underpinning personal beliefs ...Followed by a strong military regardless of the country..

Practical Concerns are not the highest priority, which we all know they are now, and always have been.~~ Everything done in any country is driven by the practically of the issue..Peace or War??..

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Feb 4, 2018 19:23:35   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
As I understand it, Boggis, Christians believe that God reincarnated as human in order to "save" humans from their innate "wickedness" (according to Wesley), and so thusly they can enter the "Kingdom of Heaven". However, a human must acknowledge their wickedness, and then "accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior", in order to have a heavenly afterlife. (For myself, I have always wondered why God/Allah would bother creating a wicked species, "a worthless piece of crap", if you will. And then decide to "save" him. Also, if this worthless piece of crap is created in the image of God/Allah, what kind of God has his hands on the world, anyway?)
Furthermore, they are assured of a "place in heaven" no matter whatever other "sins" they incur thereafter.
And also, and this is why I wondered if you were Christian, Christians believe that all people who do not do this, are doomed to everlasting damnation.

Now, as to the "moon god" worshipped by Muslims, you really need to do your own research, and stop relying on hearsay.
I wonder too if God can be reincarnated as human. For this reason: humans are part of space-time-material reality, meaning they are time dependent. God/Allah is time independent. Having existence only in space and time signifies that an entity or object must undergo change and eventual decay. That can never happen with a God who is also a creator. God never changes. People do.
Justinian in 529 AD, closed the School of Athens. I believe it was because the study of Aristotle would have resulted in the obvious heresy---for Christians---that Jesus could not have had a Divine Nature.
Interestingly, Isaac Newton was of that same mind, after having been exposed to classical Greek learning.
Yet, I will not try to change a person's faith or belief, UNLESS I find it aggravates suffering, and doesn't mitigate it.

And I'm pretty sure the entire world knows that I feel Christianity is the most intolerant and childish of religions. The very fact that a Christian works for only his own salvation, tells me it is a selfish, childish way of thinking.


The above is my response to a poster on Russia Insider, just now:


boggis the cat > Kira Binkley •


No, I am Christian. Not all Christians are the same, just as not all Muslims are. (Or all Jews, or any other variation of believers in the one God.)

I don’t understand how the system of worship in Islam (or Judaism, which is very similar) would work as well as the Christian acceptance of the Holy Spirit. Our version of ‘Islam’, bowing before God, is to allow personal direction by God. Muslims reject the idea that God can do this, and also reject that He can be incarnated in a human vessel (the Jewish Messiah, or the Christ that gives our religion its name) — but we have shared beliefs and ideas in most areas.

Some Christians are hostile to Muslims (and / or Jews), considering such people to be (deliberately, in some cases) worshipping false gods — Muslims worship a ‘moon god’ is what I have heard, and are thus ultimately being deceived (or willingly serving the enemy of God). Some Christians see enough commonality to consider hostility foolish (where I fit): then a large majority are fairly vague about their religion anyway, so don’t much care.

I get the impression that the ‘moon god’ people are dying out (literally), and Christianity is becoming more inclusive. My view is that this was the entire point that Jesus Christ was for — God extending His acceptance from the Jews out to all people: and these people did not have to follow the Judaic Law — and so is part of His unfolding plan for humanity.
As I understand it, Boggis, Christians believe tha... (show quote)


Bogus is correct about god extending his promise to other than Jew's. Thus, Paul

But I do sympathize with you on Christianity.

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Feb 4, 2018 21:18:32   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
maximus wrote:
I heard that God does not exist in linear time from an astrophysicist....sorry that I can't remember his name. In linear time, for us at least, we exist only in the second that exists now, because a second ago exists only in our memory, and one second ahead of us cannot be experienced until it becomes the second that exists now. You can't be killed by a bullet that was fired yesterday, or by one that will be fired tomorrow until tomorrow becomes now. God does NOT exist in this time frame, but has access to any time because he created it.
Once again, allah does not exist any more than Zeus or Mercury or Athena does. Also I am not concerned with a multiverse, as I will never be hit by a train from the number 187549037 universe. If that universe DOES exist, then it will be ruled by the ONE God Yahweh, as this one is. If string theory is real, then God devised it. If the big bang is real, then God said 'Let there be expansion'.
Since matter, visible or dark, cannot be destroyed, it will always be with us. Antimatter may not exist in large quantities anymore, but that doesn't mean that small amounts of it don't exist in sparse areas of space, at least until it contacts matter.
The LHC is in no way connected with God's truth. I am only concerned with God's truth because it is what I have faith in to save me from hell and to get me top heaven to live forever. The works of mankind are not held in this belief.
Please...please.....don't throw allah at me anymore, as you yourself said he is a recycled moon god ie; a false god ( one that does not exist).
I heard that God does not exist in linear time fro... (show quote)

Thanks for your deliberate reply, I was searching for this Boggis commentator that Lindajoy mentioned and having no luck there I noticed I hadn't replied to your post, it could be that I was in doubt about exactly what an astrophysics would know about God when his residence in life is of such a short duration, as in, only one second, of course, I realise that you include memory in his capacity to function as an astrophysics, so the Existential nature of human sensory perception must include in your view an additional faculty, and I agree.

Do we inherit this sixth sense genetically, ? If we don't I have another proposition that is supported by factual verification, but and most think that we get our innate psychological make up genetically.

However I'm sure that there are two ways science can account for genetically matched twins inheriting different personalities from birth and also before environmental effects take over causing divergent understandings between them.

Added to the already generally agreed upon empirical evidence concerning genetic qualifications there is unanimous agreement that in large families where the siblings were all treated to the same advantages and disadvantages in life, the siblings are vastly different in expressing personality, from birth this difference is mainly detected by their mother, and later on detected by everybody.

Genetic inheritance is one explanation because each conception is unique and can throw up many different combinations of zygote from way back when.

The other explanation for innate psychological blueprinting that many think is actually instinct is that a person representative of Fate does the deed of giving innate personality consciously to make up for someone who was missing out on opportunity when that someone lived.

This is a connection to Christianity Islam and Hinduism, and currently I'm thinking about reviving Teleology on that basis, if you can offer any suggestions in that regard I would be very great-full or if you could help with the tracking down of this Boggis person I would also be great-full.

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Feb 5, 2018 11:37:59   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Bogus is correct about god extending his promise to other than Jew's. Thus, Paul

But I do sympathize with you on Christianity.

I'm beginning to think that Bogus has something to do with Joppa Acts 10 ; 14,15,16..




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