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Jan 17, 2018 14:32:02   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Don’t ask questions, arch ~~ lolll


I guess I should just let him educate me, huh?
BTW, I was allowed to place an order for 2 dozen chicken, and 2 dozen pork tamales this morning that are made by (gulp) Mexicans!
A lady at work (a Mexican (legal) has let me in) her mother, and family, (legal) get together once a month, and make them. Up till now, I've only been allowed a few, but now, I'm a priority customer!👍
Just goes to show that if you treat people right, they'll reciprocate!

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Jan 17, 2018 16:01:23   #
Nickolai
 
archie bunker wrote:
Why couldn't they afford to live there?





Rent is too high The economy in the Bay area has been booming since 2010 and the job market has caused an influx of people filling those jobs. The demand for housing has sent home prices and rents through the roof. Landlords in low income neighborhoods have been doubling rents in an effort to drive the renters out. The land beneath those houses is so valuable the goal is to drive the people out so the land can be sold to developers who will tear down the old houses and build luxury condos for the high tech workers employed in Silicon Valley but want to live in the city for the night life , theaters and fine restaurants low income restaurants workers like Mexican food are having it really hard. The area is gentrifying. The population of Hispanics fell from 2009 to 2014 by 140,000. There is no need to spend 33 billion on a wall. Just fine the crap out of employers who employ illegals. With todays technology it would be relatively easy to assemble a data base Employers could tap to see if a potential hire is legal. If thee is no jobs or affordable housing they will go home. Ne need for deportation procedures or expensive walls

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Jan 17, 2018 16:06:29   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Nickolai wrote:
Rent is too high The economy in the Bay area has been booming since 2010 and the job market has caused an influx of people filling those jobs. The demand for housing has sent home prices and rents through the roof. Landlords in low income neighborhoods have been doubling rents in an effort to drive the renters out. The land beneath those houses is so valuable the goal is to drive the people out so the land can be sold to developers who will tear down the old houses and build luxury condos for the high tech workers employed in Silicon Valley but want to live in the city for the night life , theaters and fine restaurants low income restaurants workers like Mexican food are having it really hard. The area is gentrifying. The population of Hispanics fell from 2009 to 2014 by 140,000. There is no need to spend 33 billion on a wall. Just fine the crap out of employers who employ illegals. With todays technology it would be relatively easy to assemble a data base Employers could tap to see if a potential hire is legal. If thee is no jobs or affordable housing they will go home. Ne need for deportation procedures or expensive walls
Rent is too high The economy in the Bay area has ... (show quote)


E-Verify?

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Jan 17, 2018 16:12:13   #
Nickolai
 
archie bunker wrote:
Yeah, but I want to see his long winded answer as to why I should send 15 hours of my 40 hour paycheck to California to keep a restaurant open.






Why would you have to send 15 hours of your paycheck to keep California restaurant open The decline in the flow of Mexican immigrants to the U.S. is due to several reasons . The slow recovery of the U.S. economy after the Great Recession may have made the U.S. less attractive to potential Mexican migrants and may have pushed out some Mexican immigrants as the U.S. job market deteriorated. In addition, stricter enforcement of U.S. immigration laws, particularly at the U.S.-Mexico border (Rosenblum and Meissner, 2014), may have contributed to the reduction of Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S. in recent years. According to one indicator, U.S. border apprehensions of Mexicans have fallen sharply, to just 230,000 in fiscal year 2014 – a level not seen since 1971

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Jan 17, 2018 16:12:22   #
JoyV
 
Nickolai wrote:
FDR had plenty of opposition with the conservatives on the SCOTUS so much so he tried to pack the SCOTUS. He knew before taking office in 1933 that he was going to face opposition from the court Three years in to office the first cases reached the court and they began striking down key pieces of the New Deal causing FDR great frustration . I dont know where you live but in California it has been reported in the local news that the is a shortage of farm workers and a report that a farmer had to let a crop of cabbage get plowed under for a lack of pickers.

Your comment and my response regarding legislation Trump has passed compared to FDR in the first year, does not involve SCOTUS. SCOTUS is not involved in passing legislation. Only when something is challenged in the courts, and reaches the Supreme Court are they involved.

The US spent .19 % of its income last year on forign aid last year the same as Spain and Portugal. As a percentage of income Sweden was the most Gernerous followed by other Scandanian countries, Norway ,Luxembourge, ect. And all of this activity you report has demand for products suddenly increased. If so where has the money come from wages to the average non supervisory working men and women hass been flat since 1973 and with un emplymet at a 17 year low wages has not increased. So give me an idea where this the increased demand is coming from
More Mexican immigrants have returned to Mexico from the U.S. than have migrated here since the end of the Great Recession, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of newly available government data from both countries. The same data sources also show the overall flow of Mexican immigrants between the two countries is at its smallest since the 1990s, mostly due to a drop in the number of Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S. So I dont know where you get your info but your wrong the numbers of Mexicans commng to the US is fewer than thos going back. Last year the most popular Mexcan Restaurant in San Francisco had to close their doors because all of their Employees went back to Mexico not because of the ornge god king but because they could not afford to live here
FDR had plenty of opposition with the conservative... (show quote)


You assume only one variable change. Product demand. But there are numerous variables. The most pertinent one in this case is WHERE the product is being made. And another is if less foreign workers are used, either a company must 1) Reduce production in the US or 2) Hire more US employees. If more product is being made within the US borders OR if less foreign workers are used; more employment of Americans is needed. If more employment of Americans is needed, American employees become in higher demand. If that, then competition between employers for employees may result. To compete for the employees, companies generally either offer more wages or more benefits or both.

According to the NCFH, there are over 3 million migrant farm workers in the US; yet far less than 1 million have farm work. Though I have seen a news article on crops rotting on one farm due to lack of farm workers, this is not backed up by the numbers, whether nationwide or in CA. Perhaps that farm chose not to hire pickers for some reason.

http://www.ncfh.org/uploads/3/8/6/8/38685499/fs-migrant_demographics.pdf
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/background.aspx

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Jan 17, 2018 16:15:18   #
JoyV
 
Nickolai wrote:
The New Deal dealt with the flaws in our economic system and lifted million's out of poverty and into the middle class those were liberal policies that reformed the system until the conservative movement ruined every thing


How does this comment address your claim of experiencing conservatives ranting at you and my response that I have experienced liberals ranting at me?

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Jan 17, 2018 16:16:22   #
Nickolai
 
lindajoy wrote:
He’s a good one to learn patience with but I guess it goes back to knowing he is molded as they molded him and blind to what is really going on in the world..

c'est la vie~~~






No Linda I was blind but now I see Thankfully I'm not alone Wisconsin Democrats scored a major upset victory Tuesday when they won a state Senate race in a district that Donald Trump easily carried in the 2016 presidential election. Top Wisconsin Republicans ― including House Speaker Paul Ryan ― acknowledged it was a blow to their party, and it could mean bad news for the GOP in the 2018 midterm elections.

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Jan 17, 2018 16:19:38   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Where liberals congregate shitholes arise!

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Jan 17, 2018 16:23:19   #
Nickolai
 
archie bunker wrote:
E-Verify?








https://youtu.be/Z2-2nWk_fv4
Here is a perfect example of the growing gap between the rich and poor and it is in San francisco

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Jan 17, 2018 16:29:17   #
JoyV
 
Nickolai wrote:
The Nazi party was neither capitalist no socialist they were fascist a from of far right extremism. They were Catholic in a country that was 75 % Lutheran


Fascism is NOT an expression of far right extremism. It is an expression of total or near total government control in every aspect of their citizens lives. Far right extremism is to have no government at all. I know that in recent years the definitions of fascism has added that "right" label to fascism. But it does not fit. Both far left (socialism and fascism) and far right (no government anarchy); are extremist and not desirable to most people. But if you compare the stated goals of the liberals and progressives to capitalism, socialism, fascism, and anarchyism; you'll see the left are quite socialist and/or quite fascists. Both are left. While some see the actions of Nazi brown shirts, KKK, neo-Nazis, Antifa and others as being anarchists; they are not really. They are using there street violence to intimidate people into giving up their freedoms and in giving in to stronger central government.

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Jan 17, 2018 16:35:37   #
JoyV
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Today's lesson; Nickolai:

This is the Post Trump election version of "Party Politics - The FiX is in".
Written in 1992, reflecting on the previous 5 elections. Updated in 2012, and 2017 to cover the last 5 elections.
This is what Trump had to overcome; or be part of.
Time will tell:

Party Politics, 2017, “THE FIX”:
Were we going to be served more of the same from these "two" parties? The RNC DNC Partnership?
The MSM had been touting Bush III and Clinton II from the beginning. Bush III got soundly rejected.
The DNC kept Bernie Sanders down with their “Super Delegates”. Quite the Fix.
Now the RNC and NeoCONS were getting desperate to stop Trump at all costs. Even funding Hillary to stop Trump.
The majority of Americans in both major parties have been disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what has been happening in America. But they kept falling for "THE FIX" every four years.
Frustration had been spreading, and yet, would Americans fall for “The Fix” again. It is obvious something had to change; but what?
To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated. In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, had been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; the voters fell for “The Fix”. They either didn’t vote out of disgust; or they voted for “the lesser of two evils”. These actions and non- actions have put America where it is today.
America continued on its downfall because the “voters” had not figured this out.
Give thought to “The Fix”:
The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, “progressives”, and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives”; many are covert global socialists/NeoCONS - Bush Sr. and his “New World Order” was one example.
Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), has been decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, has been replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. The internationalist NWO was being put in place by both political parties. They had become a partnership with the ruling elite/Big Money.
Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”. With their vast wealth, main stream media control (ownership), control of “public” education, and control of the party apparatus; they are able to ensure that both parties will nominate candidates that will carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fall for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either don’t vote, or they feel compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. The voters are told; “no one else can win”, “don’t Waste your vote”. The past and current scam used on Republicans by the “ Republican” RNC/PTB was to convince the voters of “who was the most electable against Obama”.
Would it work again? It didn’t this time.
Trump overcame that strategy. How refreshing for those that figured that out . It had to be someone the Bankers knew was in their camp (Goldman Sach's Romney was the last selection) The PTB must be assured that their agenda would be carried out by either party.
That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist government (A New World Order); to be administered by their Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and Trilateral Commission (TC) front men.
They have given us warnings in the past:
A couple Council on foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Quotes* *
** “An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner , Ambassador to Italy - (CFR) Foreign Affairs, April, 1974

** “Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion.” - TC Report #23, 1982
Today's lesson; Nickolai: br br This is the Post ... (show quote)


Very well laid out. You are spot on.

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Jan 17, 2018 16:46:18   #
Nickolai
 
JoyV wrote:
You assume only one variable change. Product demand. But there are numerous variables. The most pertinent one in this case is WHERE the product is being made. And another is if less foreign workers are used, either a company must 1) Reduce production in the US or 2) Hire more US employees. If more product is being made within the US borders OR if less foreign workers are used; more employment of Americans is needed. If more employment of Americans is needed, American employees become in higher demand. If that, then competition between employers for employees may result. To compete for the employees, companies generally either offer more wages or more benefits or both.

According to the NCFH, there are over 3 million migrant farm workers in the US; yet far less than 1 million have farm work. Though I have seen a news article on crops rotting on one farm due to lack of farm workers, this is not backed up by the numbers, whether nationwide or in CA. Perhaps that farm chose not to hire pickers for some reason.

http://www.ncfh.org/uploads/3/8/6/8/38685499/fs-migrant_demographics.pdf
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/background.aspx
You assume only one variable change. Product dema... (show quote)







Its unlikely a farmer would choose to let a crop of cabbages rot because he did not want to hire Mexicans that makes no sense scince that farm has been hiring Mexicans for like forever. When the Japanese bombed Perl Harbor My parents came from Oklahoma to work in a ship yard in Oakland. I was in the middle of third grade had never seen a Mexican, a black person a Chinaman. a Fiippino, or a Pacfic Islander. It was a cultural shock but to be an Oakie was the bottom of the barrel. The Mexican kids would find out if that blosn haired blue eyed new kid was an Okie and if he was tjhey would jump him at least once a week to beat the crap out of him because the dust bowl Okie migrants that flooded Califotrnia during the depression cut the wages in half therefore the Oakies were harted by the Mexicns so I learned first hand and at an early age the devastating affect discrimination has on people

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Jan 17, 2018 17:06:39   #
Nickolai
 
JoyV wrote:
How does this comment address your claim of experiencing conservatives ranting at you and my response that I have experienced liberals ranting at me?






You may have experienced being ranted at by liberals I'm not going to question that But when I was a youngster I cannot recall people rant at each other Untill the advent of right wing talk shows. made possible in 1988 when Ronald Reagans FCC threw out the fairness in broad casting doctrine and Rush Limbaugh began his hate show almost immediately with Limbaugh wanna-bees proliferating and conservatives gathering around those shows like moth's around a candle flame. Before long Conservatives all worked up listening to that crap were getting loud mean spirted and confrontational. A friend and I booked a fishing trip with a river guide in the early 1990's andc it was a four five drive to the upper Sacramento river we hadn't gotten far and the guide who was a working srtiff began yammering about Rush Limbaugh and all this right wing garbage. And I said Rush Limbaugh is a bloviating pompous ass. The guide said then why is he so popular then--I said popular--? with who and I don't remember the rest of my comment but It was not polite. It didnt use to be like that such polarization and divisivness andwith the advent Trump the most divisive figure in politics it has only gotten worse Like Lindsy Graham said yesterday Washington has become a shit show

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Jan 17, 2018 17:19:26   #
Nickolai
 
JoyV wrote:
Fascism is NOT an expression of far right extremism. It is an expression of total or near total government control in every aspect of their citizens lives. Far right extremism is to have no government at all. I know that in recent years the definitions of fascism has added that "right" label to fascism. But it does not fit. Both far left (socialism and fascism) and far right (no government anarchy); are extremist and not desirable to most people. But if you compare the stated goals of the liberals and progressives to capitalism, socialism, fascism, and anarchyism; you'll see the left are quite socialist and/or quite fascists. Both are left. While some see the actions of Nazi brown shirts, KKK, neo-Nazis, Antifa and others as being anarchists; they are not really. They are using there street violence to intimidate people into giving up their freedoms and in giving in to stronger central government.
Fascism is NOT an expression of far right extremis... (show quote)






Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist, and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies.

The term is often associated with Nazism, neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views. These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state or ultraconservative traditional social institutions. The US law enforcement community regards homegrown violent extremists, not radicalized Islamists, as the most severe threat from political violence in the country, according to a new study from the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security. There is a growing body of research highlighting the threat from right-wing extremists, but who or what exactly does that term encompass, and how big really is the problem. While there is no uniform definition, these terms loosely encompass individuals or groups associated with white supremacist, anti-government, sovereign citizen, patriot, militia, or other ideologies that target specific religious, ethnic, or other minority groups. (Meanwhile, how to determine which violent attacks constitute an act of terrorism has been a subject of renewed debate.) The various studies have all led to the same general conclusion: The threat from homegrown right-wing extremists has grown in recent years. “Since 2007, there has been a dramatic rise in the number of attacks and violent plots originating in the far-right of American politics,” Arie Perliger, the director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center, wrote in a 2012 report.

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Jan 17, 2018 19:54:57   #
JoyV
 
Nickolai wrote:
You may have experienced being ranted at by liberals I'm not going to question that But when I was a youngster I cannot recall people rant at each other Untill the advent of right wing talk shows. made possible in 1988 when Ronald Reagans FCC threw out the fairness in broad casting doctrine and Rush Limbaugh began his hate show almost immediately with Limbaugh wanna-bees proliferating and conservatives gathering around those shows like moth's around a candle flame. Before long Conservatives all worked up listening to that crap were getting loud mean spirted and confrontational. A friend and I booked a fishing trip with a river guide in the early 1990's andc it was a four five drive to the upper Sacramento river we hadn't gotten far and the guide who was a working srtiff began yammering about Rush Limbaugh and all this right wing garbage. And I said Rush Limbaugh is a bloviating pompous ass. The guide said then why is he so popular then--I said popular--? with who and I don't remember the rest of my comment but It was not polite. It didnt use to be like that such polarization and divisivness andwith the advent Trump the most divisive figure in politics it has only gotten worse Like Lindsy Graham said yesterday Washington has become a shit show
You may have experienced being ranted at by libera... (show quote)


All of your stories have one theme in common. You verbally bashing someone for their disagreeing with you over political views.

And I suppose it is the right wing conservatives behind the club wielding, smashing and burning Antifa too? And was it the right wing conservatives at fault for the rise of the KKK?

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