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Jan 19, 2018 18:20:30   #
Nickolai
 
archie bunker wrote:
Damn Nic, do you run your nursing home with the iron fist that you want the Federal Government to run mine?





I don't want the government to run your life but I would like to see The government pay its bills with doing it with a credit card. I abhor the idea of US capitalist imperialism and 900 military bases in 138 countries I would like to see a more egalitarian society in my country I love this country but not the history of imperialist expansion and proxy wars of conquest the death destruction and genocide

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Jan 19, 2018 18:24:44   #
Nickolai
 
JoyV wrote:
You wrote, "Liberals are "utilitarian" in thinking that social, economic and governmental policy should be skewed toward the advantge of the largest number of people,..." But to try to make this ideal come to pass by mandating one person's or group's idea of what constitutes "advantage" is NOT working toward freedom but toward totalitarianism. Even when it is for "there own good", compulsive laws do not expand freedom.

Again, you wrote, "This does not mean that liberals wish to destroy rich people or capitalism, but that these people, and this economic system, must be controlled to the extent that they serve We the People". Controlling a certain group of people to benefit others is NOT "freedom to all". This idea is counter to the constitution's words, "Life, liberty, and property"; and the Declaration of Independence's words, "Life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

The liberal ideals are laudable. But there willingness to compel everyone into their vision of utopia is anti American and anti US Constitution. Dissent and disagreement are hallmarks of a free society.
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Not toward totalitarianism but toward democracy. Capitalism and democracy are incompatible and at war with each other like forever. Some times democracy surges such as around the turn of the 20th century and again from 1933 to 1973 but capitalism has surged since them eroding the democratic gains made from 33 to 73

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Jan 19, 2018 18:43:02   #
Nickolai
 
JoyV wrote:
Bush' policies were NOT conservative. They were nearly the same ones that Obama used after him. They were New World Order. And semi progressive. The Republican Party had been betrayed by self serving elites who along with Democrat elites were destroying the freedoms guaranteed in our constitution. Do not confuse Republican Party with conservatism. The majority of conservatives are Republicans, as the majority of liberals are Democrats. But the parties have not been true representatives of either for a long time, and both had been moving farther and farther toward NWT. Trump is a true conservative. Did you ever wonder why so many Republican Party big wigs were Never Trumpers? If you think liberalism is good, you should try to find someone who embodies it as your candidate instead of more NWT candidates like Clinton and Obama.
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https://youtu.be/e8__64mFVes

Trump has not had a history of being far right he has oscillated between Democratic and Republican and contributed to both parties depending what he was after at the moment. When he decided to run for president It seems to be 2010 and the Rise of the Tea Party . For that's when he began with the birther crap. His strategy has Roger Stones finger prints all over it. Stone is a SOB but I give him credit for being a shrewd political strategist picking lout a base and playing to it with political theater. Bush was a conservative with two tax cuts. A Medicare prescription drug program with no way to pay for it in plan to appeal to seniors when he was looking for re election. Controling the media in two wars to keep the public from seeing the blood and gore of war and risking public dis aproval after puting so much effort in collusion wirth the Israli Mossad in blowing up the world trade center in a false flag event to rally the people around a new Pearl Harbor and war in the mid east. Obama was Bush light in carrying out the neocon goal of taking down seven countries al lenemies of Israel

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Jan 19, 2018 18:59:47   #
Nickolai
 
S. Maturin wrote:
"Hard head"? I disagree with you because your argument indicates ignorance and you feel the NEED to call me some derogatory name.

I think you are simple and simply hard-core progressive. In other words, a LOSER.

IF the USA was and IS an Imperialistic nation we, with our massive military and economic power would already have had Old England looking like a beginner. You are just ravenly prejudiced against all things American.





I say hard because you see what you want to see and not reality. Lets see what happened in the war of independence. The Native Indians in the Ohio Valley allied with Britain because Britain had banned expansion beyond the Appalachian Mts. and they knew if the Americans won they were toast. Thomas Jefferson made drawings of states to the west that looked like Kansas ,Nebraska. When the war was over westward expansion began pushing Natives off their traditional lands. Declaring war on Mexico in the 1840's and stealing half their country. Displacing the monoarchy in Hawaii in 1893 and annexing them in 1898. Declaring war on Spain for the purpose of driving them out of the northern hemesphere in order for US capitalis dominating the countries of Central America. Taking control of Puerto Rico , cuba, annexing Guam and taking the Spanish colony in the Philippines becoming a colonial nation. A book could be written about the exploitation of the countries of Central America with interventions by US Marines even invading Mexico in the early 20th century. The Marines dispatched to the Chinese boxer rebellion to protect the interest of Standard oil, I could go no for another hr listing these kinds of atrocities but you must get the idea

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Jan 20, 2018 13:46:03   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Nickolai wrote:
I say hard because you see what you want to see and not reality. Lets see what happened in the war of independence. The Native Indians in the Ohio Valley allied with Britain because Britain had banned expansion beyond the Appalachian Mts. and they knew if the Americans won they were toast. Thomas Jefferson made drawings of states to the west that looked like Kansas ,Nebraska. When the war was over westward expansion began pushing Natives off their traditional lands. Declaring war on Mexico in the 1840's and stealing half their country. Displacing the monoarchy in Hawaii in 1893 and annexing them in 1898. Declaring war on Spain for the purpose of driving them out of the northern hemesphere in order for US capitalis dominating the countries of Central America. Taking control of Puerto Rico , cuba, annexing Guam and taking the Spanish colony in the Philippines becoming a colonial nation. A book could be written about the exploitation of the countries of Central America with interventions by US Marines even invading Mexico in the early 20th century. The Marines dispatched to the Chinese boxer rebellion to protect the interest of Standard oil, I could go no for another hr listing these kinds of atrocities but you must get the idea
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Nicki; you couldn't make it 6 posts in a row?
Are you paid by the post, or by the hour to troll?

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Jan 20, 2018 13:48:25   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"Bush' policies were NOT conservative. They were nearly the same ones that Obama used after him. They were New World Order. And semi progressive. The Republican Party had been betrayed by self serving elites who along with Democrat elites were destroying the freedoms guaranteed in our constitution." - JoyV

That covers it in a nutshell.
The NeoCON Bushes represented the elitist NWO globalists. Their CFR middle East BS, almost finished off the Republican Party. Jeb was in line to finish the job. Thank God Trump kicked his ass.
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