eagleye13 Loc: Fl

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Thanks for bringing that up again. I think we can agree on the following Nick. We just have different solutions.

Fascism and Communism are both Totalitarian
The International Bankers have a totalitarian agenda.
To understand their agenda - Google: “CFR,TC,Bilderberg Group”
A couple Council on foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Quotes*
“An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner , Ambassador to Italy - (CFR) Foreign Affairs, April, 1974

“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion.” TC Report #23, 1982
The Banksters control both parties by installing vetted CFR members
Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Zbigniew Brzezinski formed Trilateral Commission for David Rockefeller in 1973, and Jimmy Carter was made a founding member. Jimmy Carter became President, & ZB was installed as Carter's National Security Adviser. (ZB was also adviser to Obama)
ZB - Referring to the rivalry between the USSR and the United States – “The eventual outcome of the competition is however, foreordained, given the inherent superiority of the communist system “ 'Between Two Ages' (1970 - p.146)

“The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known.” – Senator Louis T. McFadden (22 years on the U.S. Banking & Currency Commission) Google : Louis T. McFadden, Congressional Record, Fed expose
Great book on NWO agenda – ‘The World Order’ by Eustace Mullins at Amazon
Both parties have put America in debt $20 Trillion to that cabal.
Restoration and use of Constitutional US Notes; without interest to The FED RES Bank, is the only solution.
Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson did it; John F. Kennedy was trying. JFK had US notes printed and in circulation before he was assassinated.

Nickolai

So you believe the dinosaurs are just theory ??

S. Maturin

Knowing how thirsty/deprived you are and in need of some real information, I offer this to you, my prejudiced, radically-impaired associate.
https://cruxnow.com/interviews/2016/06/16/pius-xii-part-one/

http://cruxnow.com/interviews/2016/06/16/pius-xii-part-one/

Nickolai

I agree with most of that except it was the Republicans that started the spiraling debt during the Reagan administration. At the end of WW-ll the national debt after 15 years of depression and war was 120 % of GDP Even with the Korean and Vietnam wars by 1979 the debt had been reduced to 32 % og GDP or $900 billion After 8 yers of Reagan it was 56 % of GDP or 2.8 Trillion Only under Obama who had to deal with the greates recesion since the 1930, did it increase substantialy other wise I have to agree with the rest of your piece

Nickolai

A picture speaks a thousand words

S. Maturin

Especially for ignoramuses like, say, you?

Nickolai

The truth, and reality, belongs to we ignoramuses

bilordinary Loc: SW Washington

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eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Today's lesson; Nickolai:

This is the Post Trump election version of "Party Politics - The FiX is in".
Written in 1992, reflecting on the previous 5 elections. Updated in 2012, and 2017 to cover the last 5 elections.
This is what Trump had to overcome; or be part of.
Time will tell:

Party Politics, 2017, “THE FIX”:
Were we going to be served more of the same from these "two" parties? The RNC DNC Partnership?
The MSM had been touting Bush III and Clinton II from the beginning. Bush III got soundly rejected.
The DNC kept Bernie Sanders down with their “Super Delegates”. Quite the Fix.
Now the RNC and NeoCONS were getting desperate to stop Trump at all costs. Even funding Hillary to stop Trump.
The majority of Americans in both major parties have been disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what has been happening in America. But they kept falling for "THE FIX" every four years.
Frustration had been spreading, and yet, would Americans fall for “The Fix” again. It is obvious something had to change; but what?
To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated. In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, had been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; the voters fell for “The Fix”. They either didn’t vote out of disgust; or they voted for “the lesser of two evils”. These actions and non- actions have put America where it is today.
America continued on its downfall because the “voters” had not figured this out.
Give thought to “The Fix”:
The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, “progressives”, and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives”; many are covert global socialists/NeoCONS - Bush Sr. and his “New World Order” was one example.
Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), has been decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, has been replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. The internationalist NWO was being put in place by both political parties. They had become a partnership with the ruling elite/Big Money.
Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”. With their vast wealth, main stream media control (ownership), control of “public” education, and control of the party apparatus; they are able to ensure that both parties will nominate candidates that will carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fall for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either don’t vote, or they feel compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. The voters are told; “no one else can win”, “don’t Waste your vote”. The past and current scam used on Republicans by the “ Republican” RNC/PTB was to convince the voters of “who was the most electable against Obama”.
Would it work again? It didn’t this time.
Trump overcame that strategy. How refreshing for those that figured that out . It had to be someone the Bankers knew was in their camp (Goldman Sach's Romney was the last selection) The PTB must be assured that their agenda would be carried out by either party.
That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist government (A New World Order); to be administered by their Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and Trilateral Commission (TC) front men.
They have given us warnings in the past:
A couple Council on foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Quotes* *
** “An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner , Ambassador to Italy - (CFR) Foreign Affairs, April, 1974

** “Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion.” - TC Report #23, 1982

Nickolai

I agree there is a kind of partnership between the Two majority political parties in the sense that they managed to make it impossible for a third party candidate to be elected President They have successfuly eliminated any serious competition. I dont see that the MSM touted anybody but reported news.
The DNC did keep Bernie Sasnders down with their super delegates which is not democratic. The RNC and Neocons did try to stop Schtruminski But where is the evidence they funded Clinton I don't believe it. They would rarther have nutter like Schtrumpinski that allow Clinton to win If for no other reaso that he wold noninate a nother nutter for the SCOTUS and Clinton would not. The Constitutional Republic neded reform and Democracy in this country has had to be fought for but for every two stepps forward the nutters drad us back a step they are highly resistant to change of any kind.

The Federal Reserve "is"part of the cause of decline but is is far more complex than that. The U.S. is following the same trajectory as all previous Empires, the decline and fall is enivitable, its just what happens to empires.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Nikki, while it isn’t offend we agree I need to tell you much of what you said here is accurate..

Of course I disagree with your assessment that the MSN didn’t tout anyone more than the other by supposedly reporting on how bad he was and Had no chance of winning while making Hillary out as the one that was going to save this country.. I need not repeat it you saw it and bought into as well..The one sided reporting along with the out and out lies is what motivated people to get out and vote Trump in and they will do it again..

Anyway my point is this was refreshing to read and, again there were parts of it I was one, amazed you said it and two, I was agreeing.. Thank You for that ....

You often defend the DNC and dems, progressive lefts etc with jabs of the Republicans being a mess and having no true path etc ...

I read this and do believe while most of left say there is nothing wrong with the DNC, dems this article admits the state of disarray and dismantling of the dems by them, not the republicans....

DNC overhaul struggles as Sanders-Clinton rivalries persist
'I undeniably underestimated the depth of the turnaround job,' the Democratic Party chairman says.
By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 01/16/2018 05:01 AM EST

One year into Tom Perez’s project to save the Democratic National Committee from complete collapse, officials are beginning to dig out of the hole left by Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s mismanagement, Barack Obama’s indifference, Russian hacking and the bitter rivalry between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders capped by accusations of election rigging.

But going into a midterm election that should be the Democrats’ to lose, the DNC is still struggling to bring its factions together and assert itself. Throw into the mix powerful super PACs, the much-better-funded party committees focused on Congress and governors, and more independent voters than ever, and many wonder whether the DNC has a place at all anymore...

“I knew it was a turnaround job when I ran, but I undeniably underestimated the depth of the turnaround job. We had to rebuild almost every facet of the organization, and equally importantly, we had to rebuild trust,” Perez said in a recent interview at party headquarters. “Not just people who had invested in the DNC, but others — they just felt the party had let them down.”

It’s hard to overstate the scale of his task. The DNC has become every frustrated Democrat’s favorite piñata, and a symbol of everything that went wrong in 2016. Sanders-Clinton hostilities have taken on a new form: The tension now is over whether Sanders should hand over his massive voter list to the committee, as Perez has asked, and whether the committee has gone far enough to overhaul internal rules that Sanders forces are convinced rigged the nomination for Clinton. Neither side is satisfied, and words like “crazy,” “still doesn’t get it” and, in one case, “Judas” are tossed around to describe people in the opposite camp.

The relationship between Perez and Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), the former rival whom Perez named deputy chair in an attempt to ease tribal infighting, remains chilly, with periodic explosive fights over party strategy and appointments. “Functioning unity is something we’ve got to build back over time,” Ellison said, after praising Perez.

But there are glimpses of progress, and a sense of tempered optimism.

Most of the DNC’s officers and members have coalesced behind Perez. Fundraising, while still trailing far behind the Republican National Committee, is on the uptick, boosted by a major donor program Perez has nurtured and checks that picked up after Democrats won high-profile races last fall in Virginia and Alabama. State party chairs say they’re being listened to again. And a tech operation that had atrophied to the point of near collapse under the previous leadership is being rebuilt.

“People understandably, because of [President Donald] Trump and what’s going on, want things to be moving quickly,” said Michael Blake, a DNC vice chair. “But because it’s not moving fast, that does not mean it’s not moving well.”

The DNC’s 2018 will be about tailored expectations: adapting its 2017 strategy of targeted, under-the-radar field and infrastructure investments to a much bigger map of races and a much smaller pool of money than it would like to have. Officials say it'll stay off TV — in part because it won’t have the money — but will fund staff on the ground, new voter turnout initiatives driven by new technology, and constituency-specific mailers and outreach by phone and text message.

As it did in a host of down-ballot races last year, the DNC will also deploy staff to competitive elections as well as people to train campaign aides and volunteers.

The committee will make some donations to campaigns and the committees for House and Senate races, as well as $10,000 per month to each state party. And it’s rushing to bank money for a promised $10 million “innovation fund” that state parties will compete for.

But aware of just how tarnished the party’s national brand is, not to mention the DNC’s own tattered reputation, most of this will happen under the radar. The committee put $1 million into Alabama’s special election last month for voter turnout efforts targeting millennials and African-American voters, but kept mostly quiet about it.

“They provided the support that we needed. They were always there to give us advice and understood that we wanted to keep this race local,” Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.), the upset winner, said in a statement. “Chairman Perez understood we had a message that was consistent with the party, but it was also a message that he felt like, and we felt like, would be consistent with folks in the state of Alabama.”

The committee is trying to forge ahead even as it remains saddled by factionalism. The war between Sanders and Clinton has morphed into a battle between people who believe the Vermont senator needs to actively participate in an institution that's changing to accommodate his demands — and those who believe the DNC should just be grateful Sanders and his allies are helping it change.

The dispute largely revolves around Sanders’ massive email list:The DNC wants it, but Sanders has no intention of handing it over. The Sanders line is clear: No way will he be providing his list or any other information to the DNC, as Perez has asked, or pitch in otherwise to an organization that he is demanding be reshaped. To the Sanders orbit, it’s not nearly enough that Perez backed the recommendations of a yearlong Unity Commission set up to revise internal rules that Sanders supporters argued disenfranchised the base.

“We still have a long way to go. We’ve made big steps forward in opening up the party and making the nominating process more democratic,” said Jeff Weaver, campaign manager for the 2016 Sanders campaign and a leader of the efforts on his behalf in the Unity Commission. “We’ve also got to make sure that all the different factions of the party are represented at the DNC. Tom can do a little bit more to bring in some other voices.”

Weaver said, though, that there won’t ever be a point when Sanders gives the DNC access to his voter data.

“I don’t think you should expect that to happen. If people think the Sanders list is just an ATM, they’re sadly mistaken,” he said. “It’s a list of millions of people who are motivated by a certain policy agenda. If they think it can be easily transferred, I think it’s a fantasy.”

Blake, a New York Assembly member who’s focused on local candidate training, called that “a missed opportunity.”

“Not everyone is going to be Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, but for the local candidate for statehouse and the local candidate for city council, having more data gives them more opportunities,” he said.
<snip> more to read should you wish...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/16/democrats-clinton-sanders-reforms-340616

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

You are also right..

Of course many will disagree saying repetition of same finding substantiate it to be true...Then a few years later another successful challenge with different findings will cause them all to go back to drawing boards..

Nickolai

I'm well aware of the DNC's tarnished image Linda, and that that party is in a civil war much like the Republican party has been engaged in since about 2011, But I didn't see the MSM touting Clinton. The DNC seemed to assume that her time had come and Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat he is an Independant who caucasus with the D's but No Third party candidate has a chance so he choose to run for the D nomination so It seems natural for the DNC to lean over for Clinton. I've stated many times on this forum thay I'm no fan of Bill Or Hillary. I once admired Hillary but that was when she was First Lady a long time ago. As far as the progressive left in that party I see them as a minor wing and the wall street arm dominates that party but the R's have big problems. Lindsy Graham said to day two days ago Trump was good to play golf with and was his frieng but that guy is gone and I want him back. Were it not fo 80,000 votes spread accross four rust belt states Trump would not be President. My problem with Trump is not a Democrat Republican thing Its about his character. He has cheated on all three of his wives. He allowed Howard Stern to refer to his daughgter Ivanka as a piece of a** and agreed with him. He has been associated with Russian money laundering since 1984 when a former Russian fighter piolet imigrated to New York and with no visible sign of support paid $4.9 million cash for five Trump Tower condos. The DOJ ruled it moneylaundering and in 1987 the guy was convicted. Trump's company was fined in the 1970's for refussing to rent to African Americans. He allowed his New Jersy Casinos to be used for money laundering and was fined for not reporting suspicious activity and not following the rules.

He has burned his contractors supliers, and lenders numerous times. His Mo is to borrow to the hilt then pay him self large salery and bonuses then when the company can no longer pay it bill's file bankruptcy and make every body take a hair cut. NBew York banks won't lend him money because they want to be paid back. When he emerged from bankruptcy in 1993 he capitalized on his carefully built brand to sell stock and with sall that fresh cash he went to town with the salerey and bonuses and of course in the next filing the investors lost every thing. I'm quite familar with his MO I was a contractor before I retired and spent many days in litigation and or arbitration with the likes of DJ Trump. And I'm highly suspicious of folks who don't read. He seems to only know what he sees on Fox and Friends and every thinvge else is fake and demonizes the media that doesn't bow down to him. I have a much longer list but You get the idea I do not like that guy he is a world class conn man he could easily compete with Bernie Madoff

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I sure am glad we have debated the things in this post..... Saves a lot of time having to rehash what we have made clear to each other in previous discussion..

I’ll just say we view President Trump differently and leave right there..

Think as you will President Trump in proving the left wing wrong in his continued success.. He’s doing very well for this country and it is this country he lookes to protect, not all the others... I appreciate that!