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Oct 21, 2017 14:36:41   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Docadhoc wrote:
There are no silencers. A suppressor brings the sound level down to about 139 dbs. That's about the level of a jet engine heard outside the airplane. Still quite loud but less damaging to the tympanic membrane.


A bow and arrow should do the job.

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Oct 21, 2017 14:39:34   #
moldyoldy
 
The wildfires spread first. Then came the rumors.
Early this week, Sheriff Rob Giordano of Sonoma County was forced to debunk false reports spread by conservative media that his office had arrested an undocumented immigrant for starting the deadly California wildfires.
And that was before Immigration and Customs Enforcement got involved.
The federal agency’s acting director, Thomas D. Homan, on Wednesday accused Sheriff Giordano’s office of refusing to respond to federal requests about the immigrant, Jesus Fabian Gonzalez, leaving the community “vulnerable to dangerous individuals and preventable crimes.”
That, Sheriff Giordano said, was “inaccurate,” “inflammatory,” and was a distraction for local authorities responding to a major natural disaster.
“Frankly, I didn’t want a public rhetoric war with the federal government,” he said on Friday. “What I want to do is put this community back together.”
The dispute stems from the arrest on Sunday of Mr. Gonzalez, who had started a fire in the local park where he often sleeps, Mr. Giordano said.
The fire, which Mr. Gonzalez said he started to keep warm, threatened no structures and was quickly put out, the sheriff said.
That arrest was reported locally, and rumors began to fly.
The conservative media outlet Breitbart reported on Tuesday that Mr. Gonzalez was arrested “on suspicion of arson in Wine Country fires that have killed at least 40 residents.” That same day, Sheriff Giordano felt compelled to publicly deny the connection, saying there was no indication The wildfires spread first. Then came the rumors.
Early this week, Sheriff Rob Giordano of Sonoma County was forced to debunk false reports spread by conservative media that his office had arrested an undocumented immigrant for starting the deadly California wildfires.
And that was before Immigration and Customs Enforcement got involved.
The federal agency’s acting director, Thomas D. Homan, on Wednesday accused Sheriff Giordano’s office of refusing to respond to federal requests about the immigrant, Jesus Fabian Gonzalez, leaving the community “vulnerable to dangerous individuals and preventable crimes.”
That, Sheriff Giordano said, was “inaccurate,” “inflammatory,” and was a distraction for local authorities responding to a major natural disaster.
“Frankly, I didn’t want a public rhetoric war with the federal government,” he said on Friday. “What I want to do is put this community back together.”
The dispute stems from the arrest on Sunday of Mr. Gonzalez, who had started a fire in the local park where he often sleeps, Mr. Giordano said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/wildfire-immigrant-breitbart.html

http://patch.com/california/sonomavalley/sonoma-co-arson-arrest-sheriff-responds-ices-request-hold-suspect

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Oct 21, 2017 14:39:39   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Randy131 wrote:
You show your complete ignorance when it comes to guns with stupid and false statements like that. Do you think that we're as dumb as you, and will believe that nonsense?

There is no such thing as a "silencer". There are noise "supressors" that reduces the noise, only down to a certain legal level, and not lower, which is still well loud enough for anyone around to hear the report of firing the gun. But a very costly permit is required to own or posses one. The US Congress is trying to pass a law to do away with the permit required for those supressors, and for good reason. I know many elderly hunters who are nearly deaf and require a hearing aid in each of their ears in order to just be able to communicate with others.

These suppressors, if affordable, because they are very costly, and so are the permits required to own and posses them, are needed to cure this affliction, not so anyone can fire a gun that can't be heard, because that is almost immpossible to make, as well as it is and always will be illegal, because of the law that allows only noise reduction to a certain sound level. This would allow hunters to protect their ears, but still allow all around to hear the report of the gun being fired, by reducing the cost to own and use these "supressors".

Apparently you watch too much TV and movies, and believe everything that you see and hear in them, so watch out for those werewolves during the next full moon. Instead of constantly making stupid statements, such as you have here, why don't you do a little research to learn what you're talking about, before you pass on these stupid statements that have no reality with the truth?

Also you have proven to be completely ignorant about dear hunting, for most states that I know of only allow weapons with the max of three rounds in them, and no hunter that I've ever seen uses an AK-47 or even an AR-15, because they are too inaccurate and their are special rifles that shoot a larger round that hunters use to bring down dear, which many mount huge scopes on. There may be some hunters that use AK-47s or AR-15s, but if there are they are very few and a very small minority, because there are better rifles and ammo for hunting dear. Hunting is a costly sport to use to provide food, and most who do, use the best equipment to do so. That's why they make five round magazines, and I think also some three round magazines, which most states only allow three rounds to be loaded into the five round magazines, and if caught with more, it's a very hefty fine, and I think there may be some states that allow a max of five rounds to be used in guns to hunt gear.
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There are states that only allow deer hunting with shotgun and slugs. As you say, 3 rounds and the gun must be plugged beyond that. No one hunts anything with AKs etc. Too expensive and inaccurate. Any long gun is too bulky to carry unless setting up for longhorns etc.

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Oct 21, 2017 15:16:17   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Well Doc, it always amazes me how these liberals talk about guns, when they know absolutely nothing about them, which is also what they know about most of the subjects that they love to interject their opinions into.

I'm not a deer hunter myself, but I have many family members that are, and have learned a lot about it through many conversations with them, which is their favorite subject, and what they talk about the most. Most of my knowledge on guns comes from what I was taught serving 4 years in the USMC, which I qualified as an expert in both the rifle and pistol on the gun ranges, mostly because my eye-sight was 20/15, which also gave me an edge in playing sports and why I excelled in all of those too, winning several championships while serving in the USMC.

I hadn't heard of any state that only allows dear hunting with shotguns using slugs, but all the states that I know that allow dear hunting have several different seasons for different types of weapons, such as rifle, musket, bow & arrow, and crossbow, etcedra.

I also see that you're very knowledgable concerning suppresors, which I wasn't capable of pulling those numerical facts for sound level off the top of my head as you were. There is a suppresor factory about 20 miles from my home, and I've talked to the owner a couple of times, and he said that they cannot make a supressor that achieves complete silence, but can come very close, but it is against the law to make any that go below a certain decible, which I couldn't remember exactly what that level was, and would have had to waste my time to look it up, which I figure the one who questions what I said, could look it up for themselves, if they wanted to prove me wrong, instead of all these ignorant people wanting me to waste my time looking it up to prove it to them.

I have looked up many things that some on here claim is true, and when I find it to be untruthful, I then interject the truth and give them the source, which they also just ignore, as I did when proving that fascists have always historically been either socialists, communists, or Marxists, never conservatives, Christians, or even Republicans, as the liberals, progressives, and Democrats, who are synonymous with socialists, communists, and fascists, always like to falsely claim.

Docadhoc wrote:
There are states that only allow deer hunting with shotgun and slugs. As you say, 3 rounds and the gun must be plugged beyond that. No one hunts anything with AKs etc. Too expensive and inaccurate. Any long gun is too bulky to carry unless setting up for longhorns etc.

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Oct 21, 2017 15:51:09   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Randy131 wrote:
Well Doc, it always amazes me how these liberals talk about guns, when they know absolutely nothing about them, which is also what they know about most of the subjects that they love to interject their opinions into.

I'm not a deer hunter myself, but I have many family members that are, and have learned a lot about it through many conversations with them, which is their favorite subject, and what they talk about the most. Most of my knowledge on guns comes from what I was taught serving 4 years in the USMC, which I qualified as an expert in both the rifle and pistol on the gun ranges, mostly because my eye-sight was 20/15, which also gave me an edge in playing sports and why I excelled in all of those too, winning several championships while serving in the USMC.

I hadn't heard of any state that only allows dear hunting with shotguns using slugs, but all the states that I know that allow dear hunting have several different seasons for different types of weapons, such as rifle, musket, bow & arrow, and crossbow, etcedra.

I also see that you're very knowledgable concerning suppresors, which I wasn't capable of pulling those numerical facts for sound level off the top of my head as you were. There is a suppresor factory about 20 miles from my home, and I've talked to the owner a couple of times, and he said that they cannot make a supressor that achieves complete silence, but can come very close, but it is against the law to make any that go below a certain decible, which I couldn't remember exactly what that level was, and would have had to waste my time to look it up, which I figure the one who questions what I said, could look it up for themselves, if they wanted to prove me wrong, instead of all these ignorant people wanting me to waste my time looking it up to prove it to them.

I have looked up many things that some on here claim is true, and when I find it to be untruthful, I then interject the truth and give them the source, which they also just ignore, as I did when proving that fascists have always historically been either socialists, communists, or Marxists, never conservatives, Christians, or even Republicans, as the liberals, progressives, and Democrats, who are synonymous with socialists, communists, and fascists, always like to falsely claim.
Well Doc, it always amazes me how these liberals t... (show quote)


I used to hunt a lot. Some states.limit the calibre of gun used primarily to.prevent a missed shot from wandering a half mile or more down range and hitting someone in a farmhouse. I never hunted with bow or cossbow. In WI I used my Henry 45-70 and my Winchester 44-40. I used them for deer and bear. I believe Illinois still limits deer guns to shotgun no smaller than 20 gauge and no larger than 10 gauge.

I never appreciated that. We had a diary farm in our family and it had 640 acres of forest on property. I have a Winchester Model 42 pump that shoots 3" magnum rifled slugs and is as accurate as most rifles and has incredible range. Best.little shotgun I ever owned and I couldn't use it on the farm.....legally.

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Oct 21, 2017 16:01:49   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Randy131 wrote:
Well Doc, it always amazes me how these liberals talk about guns, when they know absolutely nothing about them, which is also what they know about most of the subjects that they love to interject their opinions into.

I'm not a deer hunter myself, but I have many family members that are, and have learned a lot about it through many conversations with them, which is their favorite subject, and what they talk about the most. Most of my knowledge on guns comes from what I was taught serving 4 years in the USMC, which I qualified as an expert in both the rifle and pistol on the gun ranges, mostly because my eye-sight was 20/15, which also gave me an edge in playing sports and why I excelled in all of those too, winning several championships while serving in the USMC.

I hadn't heard of any state that only allows dear hunting with shotguns using slugs, but all the states that I know that allow dear hunting have several different seasons for different types of weapons, such as rifle, musket, bow & arrow, and crossbow, etcedra.

I also see that you're very knowledgable concerning suppresors, which I wasn't capable of pulling those numerical facts for sound level off the top of my head as you were. There is a suppresor factory about 20 miles from my home, and I've talked to the owner a couple of times, and he said that they cannot make a supressor that achieves complete silence, but can come very close, but it is against the law to make any that go below a certain decible, which I couldn't remember exactly what that level was, and would have had to waste my time to look it up, which I figure the one who questions what I said, could look it up for themselves, if they wanted to prove me wrong, instead of all these ignorant people wanting me to waste my time looking it up to prove it to them.

I have looked up many things that some on here claim is true, and when I find it to be untruthful, I then interject the truth and give them the source, which they also just ignore, as I did when proving that fascists have always historically been either socialists, communists, or Marxists, never conservatives, Christians, or even Republicans, as the liberals, progressives, and Democrats, who are synonymous with socialists, communists, and fascists, always like to falsely claim.
Well Doc, it always amazes me how these liberals t... (show quote)


Randy, the people who pos this stupid crap aren't interested in the truth. They found a nasty name to use on their political opponents even though it applies to themselves. Consider Antifa, what organization could be facist though in reality they resemble the national socialists of Germany more.

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Oct 21, 2017 16:12:29   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
ICE Confirms Arsonist Behind California Fires Is 5-Time Deported Illegal Alien

(Gateway Pundit) US Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Tom Homan confirmed on Thursday the man arrested in connection to setting fires in California is a five time deported illegal alien.

Jesus Fabian Gonzalez was arrested several times but ICE was never notified because he was arrested in a sanctuary county.

The deadly fires in northern California have caused over $1 billion in damages. 42 people have died in the fires.

Breitbart.com reported:

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Acting Director Tom Homan confirmed on Thursday that a man arrested in connection with setting a fire in Sonoma County Wine Country is an illegal alien from Mexico who has been twice returned to his “home country.

Homan also confirmed that ICE has issued detainer requests for Jesus Fabian Gonzalez five times now in the past year alone, including the one issued on October 16 in relation to his most recent arrest on suspicion of arson. All of the arrests were made by Sonoma County on various felony and misdemeanor charges, according to Homan.

Sonoma County is considered a sanctuary jurisdiction and does not fully cooperate with federal immigration officials. That includes not honoring ICE detainer requests. €œICE was never notified of Mr. Gonzalez€™ various releases, Homan wrote in the statement regarding Gonzalez.

There were several fires in the region, and it is not clear what role the fires Gonzales allegedly set played in the overall disaster.
Several officials suspected this week that Mexican cartels may have been behind the California fires after several pot farms were burned to the ground.

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/ice-confirms-arsonist-behind-california-fires-5-time-deported-illegal-alien/
https://www.teaparty.org/ice-confirms-arsonist-behind-california-fires-5-time-deported-illegal-alien-273527/
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One would of course expect such an incendiary (pun intended) point of view from Breitbart.

Here's the truth behind this story:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/19/ice-official-sheriff-clash-over-suspected-wine-country-arsonist/

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Oct 21, 2017 16:13:05   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Randy131 wrote:
Well Doc, it always amazes me how these liberals talk about guns, when they know absolutely nothing about them, which is also what they know about most of the subjects that they love to interject their opinions into.

I'm not a deer hunter myself, but I have many family members that are, and have learned a lot about it through many conversations with them, which is their favorite subject, and what they talk about the most. Most of my knowledge on guns comes from what I was taught serving 4 years in the USMC, which I qualified as an expert in both the rifle and pistol on the gun ranges, mostly because my eye-sight was 20/15, which also gave me an edge in playing sports and why I excelled in all of those too, winning several championships while serving in the USMC.

I hadn't heard of any state that only allows dear hunting with shotguns using slugs, but all the states that I know that allow dear hunting have several different seasons for different types of weapons, such as rifle, musket, bow & arrow, and crossbow, etcedra.

I also see that you're very knowledgable concerning suppresors, which I wasn't capable of pulling those numerical facts for sound level off the top of my head as you were. There is a suppresor factory about 20 miles from my home, and I've talked to the owner a couple of times, and he said that they cannot make a supressor that achieves complete silence, but can come very close, but it is against the law to make any that go below a certain decible, which I couldn't remember exactly what that level was, and would have had to waste my time to look it up, which I figure the one who questions what I said, could look it up for themselves, if they wanted to prove me wrong, instead of all these ignorant people wanting me to waste my time looking it up to prove it to them.

I have looked up many things that some on here claim is true, and when I find it to be untruthful, I then interject the truth and give them the source, which they also just ignore, as I did when proving that fascists have always historically been either socialists, communists, or Marxists, never conservatives, Christians, or even Republicans, as the liberals, progressives, and Democrats, who are synonymous with socialists, communists, and fascists, always like to falsely claim.
Well Doc, it always amazes me how these liberals t... (show quote)


I believe there are 10 states that allow shotgun and slugs for deer but no rifles. It is due to population density in many areas.

People believe too much of what they see in movies. A movie with a gun fitted with a "silencer" is using only partial load low compression blanks in the gun and even without the "silencer" the gunfire sound would be weak. Most of those movies dub in the gunfire sound frequently.

I amazes me how liberals have opinions of things they know nothing about. Lying must be required to be a democrat.

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Oct 21, 2017 17:01:06   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
Cmac wrote:
Have you taken a hard long look at the Clinton's,quit blaming trump for every thing you can possibly think of!!!!both Clinton's should be in jail for life and you know it or you would not try to lay off blame!!!leave trump alone.god you commies are very sick people!

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The Obama's should be locked up in the same cell with the Clintons

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Oct 21, 2017 17:05:41   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
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The Obama's should be locked up in the same cell with the Clintons


Yeah we don't need any trial or nutin because Oldsailor thinks so.

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Oct 21, 2017 17:21:12   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Yeah we don't need any trial or nutin because Oldsailor thinks so.

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Glad you see things my way

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Oct 21, 2017 18:05:27   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
AntiFa and BLM are both fascist groups who deny people their constitutional rights, as they use violence against their opponents in what they themselves define as "Confrontational Protests", and were the ones who instigated the violence in the Charlottesville march to support our national statues and monuments. But the media blamed it on the White Supremists, KKK, and Altright because of their abhorent beliefs, but they were actually the innocent ones, until they started fighting back in self defense. The media said they were at fault because they were wearing protective armor, but were only wearing that because of all the public threats made by the Antifa and BLM for more than a week before the supportive march event took place. I detest what the White Supremist, KKK, and Altright stand for, but they have the right to express their opinions in marches, just as Antifa and BLM does, and in actuality, what their march was supporting I do believe in, and another thing I believe, in besides all Americans having the same rights, is that the innocent shouldn't be blamed for what the guilty have done, despite who believes in what.



pafret wrote:
Randy, the people who pos this stupid crap aren't interested in the truth. They found a nasty name to use on their political opponents even though it applies to themselves. Consider Antifa, what organization could be facist though in reality they resemble the national socialists of Germany more.

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Oct 21, 2017 18:27:46   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
For Democrats, lying, hypocrisy, and adherence to all their indoctrination, despite the truthful evidence to the contrary that is thrown in their face, is what is required to be a Democrat these days.

Funny thing, my whole family were "dyed-in-the-wool" Democrats back in the 1950s-60s, that were very strong Christians and patriots, and that is how I was raised. But today none of them would want to be caught in a room with a Democrat, for our religious beliefs go completely against everything that Democrats stand for today, and we love our American military service people, which the Democrats hate because most of our military service people are Christians and conservatives.

I never thought that I would ever see in the USA, what I saw on national TV during the 2012 'Democratic National Convention' (DNC), that was re-nominating Obama for his second term as President, when they had again, for the second time in their history, the first being in Obama's first 2008 DNC nomination for President, forgot to include GOD in their 'National Platform', if it was truly a mental slip, which they then had all their delegates on the convention floor take a voice vote to include GOD in their 'National Platform', for which they denied three straight times in their voice votes, and each succeeding vote was louder than the previous vote, to exclude GOD from their 'National Platform', just as Peter had denied Jesus before the cock crowed three times, during Jesus' trial by the 'Jerusalem Sanhedrin' at the house of the Chief priest.



Docadhoc wrote:
I believe there are 10 states that allow shotgun and slugs for deer but no rifles. It is due to population density in many areas.

People believe too much of what they see in movies. A movie with a gun fitted with a "silencer" is using only partial load low compression blanks in the gun and even without the "silencer" the gunfire sound would be weak. Most of those movies dub in the gunfire sound frequently.

I amazes me how liberals have opinions of things they know nothing about. Lying must be required to be a democrat.
I believe there are 10 states that allow shotgun a... (show quote)

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Oct 21, 2017 18:40:41   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
That would never happen, but boy how I pray that there would be a trial, just to show you liberals the type of criminals that you support, that completely lack any honesty, integrity, and honor, just because they belong to the Democratic political party. Then you couldn't deny the double standard and dual justice system that Obama and the Democrats have instituted in our federal government system in the last 8 years.

But what makes my heart leap in joy is that it seems with all the information coming out in the last few weeks about the collusion between the Russians and the Clintons, where Bill Clinton and the 'Clinton Foundation' were paid off for favors from Hillary Clinton when she was our 'Secretary of State', has a 50/50 chance of an investigation and prosecution, as well as Hillary Clinton's and her staff's purposeful mishandling of classified material.

If it happens, there will be a lot of truly embarrassed Democrats, at least those with a conscience, no matter what you may now say and claim, which then would make you a fool for claiming their innocence.



Bad Bob wrote:
Yeah we don't need any trial or nutin because Oldsailor thinks so.

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Oct 21, 2017 18:41:37   #
moldyoldy
 
Randy131 wrote:
For Democrats, lying, hypocrisy, and adherence to all their indoctrination, despite the truthful evidence to the contrary that is thrown in their face, is what is required to be a Democrat these days.

Funny thing, my whole family were "dyed-in-the-wool" Democrats back in the 1950s-60s, that were very strong Christians and patriots, and that is how I was raised. But today none of them would want to be caught in a room with a Democrat, for our religious beliefs go completely against everything that Democrats stand for today, and we love our American military service people, which the Democrats hate because most of our military service people are Christians and conservatives.

I never thought that I would ever see in the USA, what I saw on national TV during the 2012 'Democratic National Convention' (DNC), that was re-nominating Obama for his second term as President, when they had again, for the second time in their history, the first being in Obama's first 2008 DNC nomination for President, forgot to include GOD in their 'National Platform', if it was truly a mental slip, which they then had all their delegates on the convention floor take a voice vote to include GOD in their 'National Platform', for which they denied three straight times in their voice votes, and each succeeding vote was louder than the previous vote, to exclude GOD from their 'National Platform', just as Peter had denied Jesus before the cock crowed three times, during Jesus' trial by the 'Jerusalem Sanhedrin' at the house of the Chief priest.
For Democrats, lying, hypocrisy, and adherence to ... (show quote)


Politics is not religion. Everybody does not believe in god, or may worship a different god. Keep it private.

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