straightUp Loc: California

I gotta say... it's nice to see something intelligent come out of you for a change. I agree a person's intelligence isn't necessarily spread evenly. I always try to remind myself that just because a person's political opinion might betray his political ineptitude, it doesn't mean he isn't very smart about other things... I get that, I really do, but I think literacy affects ALL the areas of competency and its something that can easily be assessed on this site, simply by reading someone's post.

I think you and your rabid right-winger pals lost the point I was making about my occupation. My point was to cite my first hand experience with the overwhelming domination of American engineering and science by immigrants, not to beat my chest. To be honest, I wasn't expecting people to act like I was telling them I'm a brain surgeon. I guess being a software engineer impresses some of you enough to want to deny how impressive it is.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"My point was to cite my first hand experience with the overwhelming domination of American engineering and science by immigrants,..." sUp
I experienced the same.
At least we agree that the American education system has really gone down hill for a very long time.
What we disagree on;
is why?
By Design?
Stupidity?
A combo?

Communist Manifesto; plank#10:

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need!

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Somebody spends a lot of time in front of the mirror in awe of himself.

Loki Loc: Georgia

******

"So, SHOW me where it says citizens have a right to live here that permanent resident aliens don't have."
I already did, dipshit.
******

"What I said is that according to ALL of the conditions described in the law no permanent resident can be deported unless they commit a crime, which is why I said my "law-abiding" friends who are permanent residents have as much right to live here as you do."
What you neglected to mention, pendejo, is that a natural born citizen cannot be deported. A naturalized citizen who has been naturalized for more than 5 years cannot be deported. I also said, you asshole, that your "friends," (assuming you actually have some) have every right to live here. If they are permanent legal residents, they can be deported for cause. Absent cause, they cannot. What part of that is so hard for you to understand?

Loki wrote:

A citizen cannot have his or her citizenship revoked, you arrogant prick.
You said:
"Yes, they can you ignorant bitch."
Once more, as per your own link, a naturalized citizen whose citizenship is LESS than five years can have citizenship revoked, as they are still on a sort of provisional status. After that, they cannot.
One more time, take the nice man's penis out of your mouth so you can concentrate, You aren't very good at multi-tasking.
*******
You prated:
"Go back and read dumb-ass... The only group of people that I literally said has as much right to live here as you do, was my six law-abiding friends. But I was using them as an example... there are millions of law-abiding green card holders with as much right to live here as you do and I know that bugs the shit out of you but you can't do anything about it you little faggot, so I guess your just going to have to sit in your sad little room drawing pictures of brutalized stick men."
Personally, I doubt you have six friends; law-abiding or not. You may have six ass-kissers who agree with everything you say.
I don't know where you get the idea that I am opposed to legal immigrants. Another figment of your Hobbit Dancer imagination. I am opposed to ILLEGAL ALIENS. I don't know which part of that sobriquet gives you so much comprehensional challenge. I suppose you are running out of arguments so you are making shit up.
*****
I noticed you called me a faggot. You sound like the right wing bigot you accuse me of being. Hypocritical mouth whore.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Nasty, nasty. After all, you are in command of the moral high ground, according to...well.... YOU.
You get caught in your bullshit and then claim you did not say that; you meant something else. You should use those typing fingers for your next circle jerk. At least then they will be used for something sort of useful.

vernon

Yawnnn,hohummmm

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

You may run, sUp, but you can not hide:

"My point was to cite my first hand experience with the overwhelming domination of American engineering and science by immigrants,..." sUp
I experienced the same.
At least we agree that the American education system has really gone down hill for a very long time.
What we disagree on;
is why?
By Design?
Stupidity?
A combo?

Communist Manifesto; plank#10:

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need!

straightUp Loc: California

That doesn't change what I said, shit-for-brains. As long as a permanent resident isn't convicted of a crime he cannot be deported. So if someone does commit a crime, they can be incarcerated, executed OR deported if they are not a natural born citizen. In the end, that's the only difference, one more option for criminals that aren't natural born citizens. 'Doesn't seem like much of an advantage to brag about.


A naturalized citizen CAN be denaturalized and THEN deported. I have not seen any exceptions for those who have been naturalized for more than 5 years, so you're going to have top post a link for that one. Otherwise, I'll just assume you once again misunderstood what you think you're reading.

Ya know, I remember in High School before I was allowed to be a citizen the issue of deportation came up several times by idiots who think deportation is some kind of power they hold as citizens. I've since come to understand how much of that is wishful thinking. Some people need to feel superior and sometimes being born is the apex of their accomplishments, so being a natural born citizen becomes the only qualification they can find and they often exaggerate it's significance.


I understood that all along. Why do you think I keep qualifying my friends as "law-abiding"? BTW, deportation is costly and it rarely ever happens to resident aliens unless the crime they commit is really fucking serious... the kind that WOULD put a citizen in prison, on death row or in the process of denaturalization. So, again - I'm not seeing any real advantage here. I certainly wouldn't get too excited about deporting legal immigrants for not returning library books. LOL


Once more, you have proven the inadequacy of your reading comprehension skills. The five years mentioned in the denaturualization policy only applies to the third and fourth qualifications...

[/i]Qualification #3: Membership in Subversive Groups: Your citizenship may be revoked if the U.S. government can prove that you joined a subversive organization within five years of becoming a naturalized citizen.[/i]

Qualification #4: Dishonorable Military Discharge: your citizenship may be revoked if you are dishonorably discharged before serving five years.

In either case it doesn't matter if you've been naturalized for 50 years, if it can be proven that either of these things occurred less than five years after naturalization, you can be denaturalized.

Here's the link if you want to read it again...
http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html


*******
You prated:
"Go back and read dumb-ass... The only group of people that I literally said has as much right to live here as you do, was my six law-abiding friends. But I was using them as an example... there are millions of law-abiding green card holders with as much right to live here as you do and I know that bugs the shit out of you but you can't do anything about it you little faggot, so I guess your just going to have to sit in your sad little room drawing pictures of brutalized stick men."
Personally, I doubt you have six friends; law-abiding or not. You may have six ass-kissers who agree with everything you say.
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pointless.


I never said you were - at least not overtly. But we've have enough conversation with you to get the impression you wish more legal immigrants WERE illegal.


What's with all your references to dicks and hobbits?


No, I'm presenting a bigger picture that you just aren't understanding (or you're refusing to understand it - I really can't tell with you). You seem to think the world starts and ends with the law, but laws are a means to an end. Perhaps your conservative "do as your told" upbringing precludes you from venturing beyond the dictates of law where people like me ask questions. For instance, WHY are we deciding to make immigration illegal for some people? As a citizen, I feel the responsibility to challenge the morality of such laws. I don't think, for example, there is any reason we can't just give the dreamers full citizenship. But people like you WANT those laws to keep them illegal. That way you can hide your bigotry behind the law like the weasel I think you are.


Well, you keep bringing up gay images, so I figure, maybe your a closet case.

straightUp Loc: California

zzzz

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

You may run, sUp, but you can not hide:

"My point was to cite my first hand experience with the overwhelming domination of American engineering and science by immigrants,..." sUp
I experienced the same.
At least we agree that the American education system has really gone down hill for a very long time.
What we disagree on;
is why?
By Design?
Stupidity?
A combo?

Communist Manifesto; plank#10:

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need!

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

I think you're confusing impressed with surprised. Most people are surprised to find a leftist who has a job.

Loki Loc: Georgia

******

"A naturalized citizen CAN be denaturalized and THEN deported. I have not seen any exceptions for those who have been naturalized for more than 5 years, so you're going to have top post a link for that one. Otherwise, I'll just assume you once again misunderstood what you think you're reading."
If you have not seen any exceptions it's because you didn't read your own link. I did not realize you were so obtuse. People can be denaturalized and deported for offenses that occurred within that 5 year, and in one case 10 year period, not for offenses occurring afterward. You are partly correct; you can be deported 50 years later for an offense that occurred within the probationary period. I have not seen anything saying you can be deported for an offense that occurred afterward.
******

Loki Loc: Georgia

No, it's your self-righteous indignation that illegals are sometimes treated like the criminals they are. I, at least, am not talking now or any other time about legal immigrants.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Oh, but you called me a derogatory homosexual term. I called YOU a mouth whore. You don't have to be gay to be one of those, so there is no anti-gay bigotry on my part. I mostly save my bigotry for illegal aliens and their apologists.

Loki Loc: Georgia

StraightUp says:


"For instance, WHY are we deciding to make immigration illegal for some people? As a citizen, I feel the responsibility to challenge the morality of such laws. I don't think, for example, there is any reason we can't just give the dreamers full citizenship. But people like you WANT those laws to keep them illegal. That way you can hide your bigotry behind the law like the weasel I think you are."
Immigration for criminals is not something we "are deciding." It has been decided. If you wish to challenge the morality of consequences for actions, go right ahead. No one is stopping you. (No one is paying much attention to you either).
Give the "Dreamers" citizenship. Deport their wetback parents. The kids can go or stay.
Don't give me any crap about breaking up families. It happens to US citizen families when a parent commits a crime and is incarcerated.
You keep nattering about bigotry. Your own is quite obvious. The parents of these "Dreamers" came here illegally. They knew full well it was illegal. They did so for the same reason any criminal commits a crime; they didn't think they would get caught or have to be subjected to any consequences.
To sum up your chickenshit nitpicking.....
A natural born citizen cannot be stripped of citizenship or deported. THAT is how we differ from permanent legal residents.
A naturalized citizen can be denaturalized and deported for some crimes committed within a probationary period. It does not matter when the crimes are proven, but when they occurred. If these or other crimes are committed after the probationary period, they go to a US jail just like any other US citizen; but your initial demand was for proof of some "right" that a permanent legal resident does or does not have. I stated then and stated again.....
When you are a permanent legal resident or a naturalized citizen withing a certain time period, you are dealing with a privilege, not a right.
I am so tired of dealing with self-righteous, unicorn-fart-sniffing Liberal Hobbit Dancers with an overblown and undeserved opinion of their own superiority.