straightUp Loc: California

I don't remember disagreeing on the reasons for the low grade of American education. But, I tend to lean toward design. Not a centralized master-mind plan, but more a set of independent priorities that form an aggregate result.


Just so you know, the "Ten Planks" is something created by anti-communists to create the illusion that an inconsequential list of ten descriptions of "advanced societies" listed in the Communist Manifesto actually serves as guiding principals for the Communist Revolution. That list of descriptions (which are not referred to as "planks") starts off with...

"Nevertheless in the most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable... 1. Abolition of property..." and so on and so forth.

So... not exactly a preface worthy of the kind of proclamation you seem to think it is. The Communist Manifesto is mostly a description of the environment they disagree with. Mostly, they describe class struggle (where I think their views are compatible with American doctrine) but there is also a critical view of capitalism (which seems to be the bigger conflict with our ruling culture).

The Communist Manifesto actually leaves the future very open ended. It lacks the authoritarian bell that the "10 Planks" tries to ring and instead presents a more passive, almost scientific report on current injustice. Then it offers a very generalized suggestion that socialism would be a better option for the working class. If you ask me, I think they made the same mistake folks like Adam Smith and Milton Friedman made in dismissing the human factor making their theories too perfect to ever be real. For some reason it didn't seem to occur to Marx or Engles that the same human natures they point to as being problems with capitalism can also be a problem with socialism. Anyway, on presenting socialism as the more just system, they make ten suggestions as to what a better society would look like in the future. In the last description they offer a sparkly vision of a society where children are taken out of the factories and put into free education systems. Little did they know, a century later America would have achieved that.


eagle, in this context, "public" means exactly that... tax-funded schools. Taxes are by definition "forced" by the government.


Who isn't?


Well, that does seem to be working out for the plutocracy.


Actually, that's a socialist maxim, but I guess it's all the same to you. ;)

So "sharing"... LOL - I've noticed the rise in celebrating selfishness. It seems to have coincided with the rise of the "Me" generation and the uptick in sales for books by Ayn Rand who provides some marvelous excuses for being selfish and for demonizing altruism. (Horrible writer though).

Anyway, you're right, sharing wasn't a feature of any of our founding documents, but I think what made it so easy for high-minded teachers to introduce the idea of a fair share is our Christian culture. (You might notice that Jesus or the Gospel isn't mentioned in any of our founding documents either.)

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

"(You might notice that Jesus or the Gospel isn't mentioned in any of our founding documents either.)"......as low of a form of life that you are, puke face, our Founding Fathers whom which were real patriots and risked their life to establish the USA, held a PRAYER at the beginning of each meeting they had....but wait! AZZ HOLES like YOU desire to LIE and make your puke puss dishonest statements that our Founding Fathers had no belief in God. Some ( I don't know any that would but someone might) here may want to educate you on your ignorance regarding Christianity and our Founding Fathers and the documents you make mention of...but myself, I would just as soon observe some scum leech like you being run over by a five ton truck. You and pukes like you exist around the world and are the creator of problems, disease, murder, theft, rape, molestation and many other illness towards mankind.

There is a positive side however, to my personal view of you as to your being such a scum dog maggot, and that would be if you ever need a tooth to be extracted let me know, I would not charge you a penny and would actually aide you by making sure ALL of your teeth were removed with the very first kick......now how much kindness from me to you is that???

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Sup and KKKH1/Prog1 should get together make YouTube videos on undeserved arrogance.

straightUp Loc: California

Even if that's true (which we really don't know) it doesn't change the fact that there is no mention of Jesus or the Gospel in ANY of our founding documents, which is all I said.


I think you're overreacting little girl. I've seen plenty of these arguments where people like me point out a small fact, like the absence of Christian dogma in the founding documents and immediately uptight little drama queens start hyperventilating and cursing us for attacking Christianity. LOL... "Mommy they're saying bad things and they're making me cry! whaaaa!"

Pull yourself together... no one is attacking Christianity you dumb piece of shit... the founding documents just don't include any references to Christianity. It's a small fact. Get over it.


did I just hear a little girl crying?


there it is again... sounds like a spoiled little girl who isn't getting her way.


LOL, keep dreaming Nancy.

straightUp Loc: California

LOL... you get a point for at least being funny.

Loki Loc: Georgia

You meant unrefined.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

That too.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Human nature corrupts all forms of "government"
The nature of the beast.
It is that corruption in socialism that makes it easier for the Powers That Be (PTB) to take advantage of the worker bees. They throw crumbs to the peons.
BTW; the Pilgrims found out how socialism does not work. Human nature.
Caring and sharing is an honorable attribute.
What say you about the elitists and their "sharing"?

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I am sure you have read the Federalist papers, right??

Much intent of God is spoken of by the different fathers..

I'm sure you have been to DC and seen all the in God we trust and reference to God..
While bo removed or tried to remove prayer before the assembly Trump has brought it back..

Finally, a country founded on the principle that majority rules, God is the chosen .. offensive? It should not be.. Not one but for anyone.. don't like it or him being there simply ignore it.. Problem solved.. Did you also know Devos is bringing back a moment of silence in schools?? No one need do anything if they do not support it but for those that do an opportunity to do so will return.. At least perhaps that is true.. She said it some time back and I've read nothing since...