Will the Real Motive for Supporting Trump Please Stand Up? (Page 14): You talking about me again? :sm09:...

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Loki wrote:

To be fair, not many of the conservative posters here, (other than my own modest self, of course) are what might be called poster children for grammatical perfection.
Even I make the occasional mistake.
Just don't tell anyone.

You talking about me again?

straightUp Loc: California

Docadhoc wrote:

2 wrongs do not make a right. If it is illegal to over ride law through EO, Obama is guilty.

Why? Obama didn't override any laws. A few pages back Loki posted a quote from Obama where he is explaining WHY he can't override the law. That doesn't mean he can't issue orders that co-exist with the laws, which is precisely what he did. Apparently, there's a right wing perspective designed to ignore that small fact in order to create the illusion that Obama was breaking the law.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

'Will the Real Motive for Supporting Trump Please Stand Up?'

Many that voted for Trump, knew it was a last shot.
Many knew something significant had to happen.
Many finally got pissed off enough to vote. And they did.
AND
The Demons tried to put The Beast back in the White House.
Now RINO have to go also.

straightUp wrote:

Trump: "We will build a great wall and Mexico will pay for it..!"
Nieto: "Uh... no we won't."
Trump: "OK, the American Taxpayers will PAY for it!!! I will make sure it's in the budget"
Dems: "Uh... we're not going to spend their tax money on a stupid wall, sorry."
Trump: "But, I'm the greatest deal maker in the world!"
Dems: "'doesn't look that way to us."
Trump: "FINE! I'll ask my supporters to pay for it then."

...It's ironic how a few months ago the Trump supporters were so sure they were going to get all the laughs and now it seems like the opposite is true. Heck, if I knew we could get someone in to clean up the mess afterward I would say we should just let these people choose the president once every three terms, just for the comic relief. LOL.

I admit, I was concerned for a while that Trump's election could have been disastrous, and in many ways it is, but for the last few months I've been realizing that Trump's shallowness, self-obsession and complete lack of a working agenda makes him about as dangerous as a hand-held sparkler on the 4th of July. And when a right-wing terrorist murdered a young woman in Charlottesville it became clear that the most dangerous part of Trump's presidency isn't his administration but the ignorant bigots that supported him whenever he suggested some form of state-sponsored attack on non-white Americans.

Now, this picture is becoming even more clear now that Trump made that "great" deal with Shummer and Pelosi, where DACA will get support going into Congress and funding for the wall will be put on the shelf. Now the rabid right is turning on the two-bit real estate developer who should never have even tried to be a president of a country.

Ann Coulter, probably one of the most annoying trolls America has ever seen, is infuriated with the moron calling him the worst deal maker ever, this after writing a book about how wonderful Trump is. LOL... Indeed, my feeds are swelling with pissed off statements from the rabid right and for the first time, we are able to see a separation between "blondie" (as my mother calls him) and the seething alt-right and we can now get a better picture of what's going on...

I won't make the same mistake of putting ALL Trump supporters in the same bag, since someone last week pointed out that I was being unfair to those who support him for other reasons besides his anti-immigrant rhetoric (honestly I can't imagine what other reasons there could possibly be but whatever...) So I will just say that considering the responses I've seen from his own base, it would appear that a significant share of Trump supporters are frustrated with his apparent weakness on anti-immigration. It's becoming clear that there really isn't anything else about Trump that they value... They just thought he was going to keep all the immigrants out.

So, here's my message to those people...

It ain't gonna happen. The immigrants are going to keep coming and yes, they are going to change America, hopefully for the better. I see it everyday in the tech industry, which is almost entirely dominated by highly educated and highly motivated immigrants ...and that's nothing new. What we call "American Ingenuity" has ALWAYS been the American commercialization of imported genius... It's part of the melding process that makes America the global leader that it is. To say "Let's make America Great Again" while trying to block out the immigrants is like trying to be healthy by shooting yourself in the head.

Trump: "We will build a great wall and Mexico... (show quote)

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

straightUp wrote:

Why? Obama didn't override any laws. A few pages back Loki posted a quote from Obama where he is explaining WHY he can't override the law. That doesn't mean he can't issue orders that co-exist with the laws, which is precisely what he did. Apparently, there's a right wing perspective designed to ignore that small fact in order to create the illusion that Obama was breaking the law.

Sorry have to know that is BS, you can't be that stupid.

Democrats and Republicans agree that Obama did not have the authority to do what he did. Obama said over 20 times he didn't have the authority to do what he did.

It's just that the Democrats and many Republicans are okay with breaking it Constitution as long as it helps illegal aliens.

Hopefully you knew most of that otherwise you should be back in school by now.

straightUp Loc: California

eagleye13 wrote:

I just like to know what perspective posters are coming from. Can be revealing.

OK. Just don't read too much into it... immigrants that arrive here as babies tend to just be American, which is how I see myself.

eagleye13 wrote:

I was lucky enough to be born here.

I think we were both lucky to be born in the developed world. I don't really see any advantages/disadvantages between being born in the US, the UK, Germany, France, Canada, Japan or any of the democratic republics or kingdoms with stable economies and support for civil liberties. I guess the one advantage I can see is being born in the country in which you want to vote so you don't have to jump through hoops to get permission.

eagleye13 wrote:

I have studied to realize how lucky I am.

IMO; you are lucky your dad moved here from England, and it appears you wish to stay.

I wish to stay because it's always been home to me and got married and raised kids here. But my brother and I are trying to talk my mom into moving back to the UK so she can get better health care.

eagleye13 wrote:

It is apparent that you did get a good liberal education while growing up.

Thanks to American schools. :) ...(again, I was 2 years old when I got here). I did go to school for one year in the UK when I was 10 and it was hard. Having come from an American school I was 3 years behind.

eagleye13 wrote:

Thanks for your honesty,sUp.
Now we can better appreciate how you ended up this way.

Again, I was two when I got here... So don't make all these assumptions that I'm in any way foreign. If you met me on the street you would have no clue I ever lived anywhere but in America. Also, my parents being conservative, raised me as a conservative. My current political views come from a process of discovery that didn't really start until I was in college and it wasn't until Bush, that my father and I were once again seeing eye to eye, because he finally saw what American conservatism was turning into.

eagleye13 wrote:

At least for your sake, you know enough not to move back to England.

I actually like it there but I like the climate better in California. I've been to England numerous times and lived there for a few years as an adult working on a contract in London. I'd say out of all the places I've lived, California is my top choice, then probably England, THEN the east coast.

Honestly, I don't know what makes you act like England is such a bad place to be. It's really not.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

straightUp wrote:

I actually like it there but I like the climate better in California. I've been to England numerous times and lived there for a few years as an adult working on a contract in London. I'd say out of all the places I've lived, California is my top choice, then probably England, THEN the east coast.

Honestly, I don't know what makes you act like England is such a bad place to be. It's really not.

"Honestly, I don't know what makes you act like England is such a bad place to be. It's really not." sUp
I agree, but do you see the direction England is going, as well as all of Western Europe with open borders, and unbridled immigration?

My main point was that you are a product of the liberal education you received, and you never out grew it.

straightUp Loc: California

Loki wrote:

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Pardon me, oh great one in thine own eyes and estimation. Your dad was the aerospace engineer, you were the software engineer. Happy now?

Just pointing out your error...

Loki wrote:

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"I'm not going to waste any more time on your retarded antics. If you have something substantial to say about the topic or about my argument, then be my guest, but if you're just going to fill up pages with cheap shots and childish tit-tats then I'm not interested."
I understand. Your bullshit opinions are pearls of great price, but when they are refuted by US Law, they're bigoted ignorance.

OK, show me where anything I said on this entire thread is refuted by US Law.

How many times is this now, where you say something and I respond by asking you for some proof?

Loki wrote:

You give opinion, I give fact.

Loki, you *say* things and you call them facts, but you don't provide any evidence for them and when I point that out you insult me or you tell me to look them up myself.

Loki wrote:

When you requested a counter argument, you should have specified one that you could refute. For a very reasonable fee I would have adjusted my post to make you look if not good, at least competent.

Why? I'm just asking for ANY counter argument. Don't fabricate things about me to justify your own limitations Loki.

Loki wrote:

Bark, bark, asshole.

Yeah, that's pretty much all you're saying. ;)

Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD

Voice of Reason wrote:

I'm usually pretty good at spelling and grammar, b... (show quote)

Isn't boulder dash a form of foot race?

straightUp Loc: California

eagleye13 wrote:

"Honestly, I don't know what makes you act like England is such a bad place to be. It's really not." sUp
I agree, but do you see the direction England is going, as well as all of Western Europe with open borders, and unbridled immigration?

Have you heard of something called Brexit? The U.K. is splitting from the E.U. specifically so they can "bridle" immigration. If you ask me it's a stupid move because it's going to hurt them economically. As for the issue of immigration, yes I do see the problems the Europeans are encountering and I see them trying to deal with it which I think is awesome because in the process, they will learn to deal with the inevitable. The U.K. is trying to take the route the U.S. is taking by refusing to deal with it and I think that's going to cause problems in the next few decades. Ostriches with their heads in the sand don't fix problems.

eagleye13 wrote:

My main point was that you are a product of the liberal education you received, and you never out grew it.

Well, you can think what you want, but like I've said several times before, I registered Republican when I was 18. It seems it's the conservative perspective that I grew out of when I moved onto higher education and my own observations as an adult in the big world.

But having said that, I feel it's worth pointing out that I use the term "conservative" in a way that I think you understand (as in "right-wing", "Republican")... But for myself, I see conservatism as something that the right-wing is leaving behind. In fact I agree with a lot of analysts that are saying the Democrats are becoming the new American conservatives. I don't know what to call the more extreme right-wing and I guess a lot of people are fumbling for a moniker... but the ideology that seem to match closest is fascism.

Loki Loc: Georgia

missinglink wrote:

I caught you a couple of times but I , if anyone , am not in a position to judge .
Spoken language yes . Written , by no means and i know it .

Oh shit . Was i supposed to be capitalized

You want the full monte? lol

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Quakerwidow wrote:

Isn't boulder dash a form of foot race?

It's a sprint race with a large rock.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

straightUp wrote:

Well, you can think what you want, but like I've s... (show quote)

NeoCONS/x-Democrats. The Right arm of the PTB Beast.
The R party is attempting to remedy that.
Still Too many R's fall for the War Mongering NWO CFR policy.
The D's fall for it also.
Hence no change in US foreign policy.

The Federal Reserve owners are NOT capitalists. Their "policy" has pretty much dried up free enterprise capitalism. They just "lend" to the government, with a "guaranteed" return, for creating "money" out of thin air.

Fascism and Communism are both Totalitarian
The Internationalist Banker’s NWO Bilderberg Agenda has to be exposed.

To understand their agenda search; “CFR,TC,Bilderberg” -https://duckduckgo.com/

*Council on Foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Background & Quotes*

“An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner ,
Ambassador to Italy - quoted in (CFR)Foreign Affairs, April, 1974
“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion…….” TC Report #23, 1982

So now it should be obvious why the NWO globalists were behind Hillary.

The Banksters control both parties by installing vetted CFR members
CFR members are very tightly affiliated with the U.S. government. Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.

Zbigniew Brzezinski formed Trilateral Commission for David Rockefeller in 1973, and Jimmy Carter was made a founding member. Jimmy Carter became President,
& ZB was installed as Carter's National Security Adviser. (ZB is also advisor to Obama)

ZB - Referring to the rivalry between the USSR and the United States – “The eventual outcome of the competition is however, foreordained, given the inherent superiority of the communist system “ 'Between Two Ages' (1970 - ps.146,147) by ZB
“The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known.” – Senator Louis T. McFadden (22 years on the U.S. Banking & Currency Commission) Google : Louis T. McFadden, Congressional Record, Fed expose

Both parties have put our government in debt for $20 Trillion to the private banksters; for creating what was supposed to be sovereign government "money". No interest owed, to be used for legitimate purposes, than taxed back out of circulation. That WAS congresses responsibility. Article1; Section 8 of the Constitution.

Restoration and use of US Notes, without interest to the banksters, is the only solution.
Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson did it; John F. Kennedy started to.

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

Loki wrote:

You want the full monte? lol

Hell no .

Loki Loc: Georgia

straightUp wrote:

Yeah, that's pretty much all you're saying. ;)

Loki wrote:

*******
"I'm not going to waste any more time on your retarded antics. If you have something substantial to say about the topic or about my argument, then be my guest, but if you're just going to fill up pages with cheap shots and childish tit-tats then I'm not interested."

I understand. Your bullshit opinions are pearls of great price; but when they are refuted by US Law, they're bigoted ignorance.
*******
"OK, show me where anything I said on this entire thread is refuted by US Law.
How many times is this now, where you say something and I respond by asking you for some proof?"
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Let me correct your confusion once more; because once more you have posted your own comments and attributed them to me.
The two non-italicized sentences were mine. The rest you claimed were mine are yours.
As for your question, this one comes to mind, among others
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straightUp wrote:
"You're an idiot. How old were you when you realized Santa Clause isn't real? 23?
LOL
So, SHOW me where it says citizens have a right to live here that permanent resident aliens don't have."

I do believe I posted the following excerpts from the United States Code regarding immigrants:
8 USC 1186, 1201, 1227; all of which state reasons and procedures by which permanent resident status can be revoked.
THAT is where it says citizens have a right to live here that permanent legal residents do not. Stop picking your nose and pay attention.
You are so busy trying to convince everyone how much smarter you are that you act like a dumbass with Attention Deficit.
Let me guess, you will once more demand "proof," since US Federal law governing immigration isn't good enough.
Are you really that stupid? Would you like me to write it on a postit note and mail it to you so you can put it on your bathroom mirror?
I could even write it backwards and you could paste it to your forehead so you could be reminded every time you saw your reflection.

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"Why? I'm just asking for ANY counter argument. Don't fabricate things about me to justify your own limitations Loki"
As a matter of fact, you have no idea what you are asking for. You are simply grasping at any straw which will bolster your own belief in your own infallibility.
You deny making statements when I copy and paste those very statements. You deny that I offered proof when it is right in front of you. You are not nearly as clever as you imagine yourself to be.

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Loki wrote:
Bark, bark, asshole.
You said.....
"Yeah, that's pretty much all you're saying."

I knew if I persevered I could say something you would understand.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Loki wrote:

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Damn Loki.. You don't have mercy on these mental pipsqueaks, do you?