Statues, Mount Rushmore and Taking them down - Question of the Day ! (Page 3): Lee didn't voluntarily free his slaves. The slaves he had were his father-in-laws and pursuant to his...

PeterS

Sicilianthing wrote:

And the HITS just keep coming... br br br >&g... (show quote)

Lee didn't voluntarily free his slaves. The slaves he had were his father-in-laws and pursuant to his will Lee freed his slaves. Without his will one doesn't know what Lee would have done with the slaves. That's your problem Sici, you cherry pick history to form a very warped view of how things really were. Had Lee won the institution of slavery would have remained intact whereas Grant knew, that upon completion of the war, all slave's would be freed.

There is no doubt that racism persisted on both sides but it was the northern liberals who were fighting to change it while you southern conservatives were the ones who were fighting to keep the status quo. And as we witnessed from Charlottesville to this day little has changed...

https://americancivilwar.com/authors/Joseph_Ryan/Articles/General-Lee-Slaves/General-Lee-Family-Slaves.html

samtheyank

PeterS wrote:

Lee didn't voluntarily free his slaves. The slaves... (show quote)

The Civil War was about other things besides slavery. Both Lee and Jackson viewed slavery as an evil institution. Only a small percentage of people in the South owned slaves. Somewhere between three to five percent. When you hear people talk about slavery today, every Grandma who lived in the South owned a slave to wash and clean. Man, I tell you ignorance abounds in our current culture. That is that new edumacation.

son of witless

Mr Shako wrote:

$4? After all...I still have my $3 Clinton bills! Has anyone else saved them? Someday, they may even be worth $3 to collectors. Otherwise, I suppose they're nothing more than a novelty item.

Actually I think it is more appropriate for a foreign country to honor our former President because he has done much more for them than he has for us. He was always more comfortable in front of foreign crowds bashing America, so I believe one of the countries he helped out should put him on their currency. I nominate the Iranian Rial, which is worth 0.00003 Yankee Dollars.

Gatsby

Kenya would seem more appropriate.

son of witless wrote:

Actually I think it is more appropriate for a foreign country to honor our former President because he has done much more for them than he has for us. He was always more comfortable in front of foreign crowds bashing America, so I believe one of the countries he helped out should put him on their currency. I nominate the Iranian Rial, which is worth 0.00003 Yankee Dollars.

PeterS

samtheyank wrote:

The Civil War was about other things besides slavery. Both Lee and Jackson viewed slavery as an evil institution. Only a small percentage of people in the South owned slaves. Somewhere between three to five percent. When you hear people talk about slavery today, every Grandma who lived in the South owned a slave to wash and clean. Man, I tell you ignorance abounds in our current culture. That is that new edumacation.

Slavery was at the center of the southern economy. Without it the southern economy would have collapsed.

Big dog

Sicilianthing wrote:

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Noted and just now the Activists Tore down another statue... turn on the T.v.

I heard about the activists tearing down the statue, kinda like the Taliban tearing down or blowing up statues, don't you think ?

Sicilianthing

Nickolai wrote:

But lee fought on the side of slavery and led the south in an insurrection that cost the lives of over 600,000 American boys

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Well that's part of it, the Trickery of how they told the story... but that's not all of it or the real truth.

Much of the war was about the Cotton Trade and routes with buyers from across the Pond, it also involved many other facets of Wealth creation, distribution, contracts, etc...

It's such a Deep rabbit hole and the War Really never ended anyway.

Sicilianthing

Nickolai wrote:

I do I've seen it for quite some time When the hat... (show quote)

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I know Nick, it's a very complex environment evolving.
Now try to imagine that half or more of what we've been taught in History books are all fabrications.
That's not how it really happened...

Who benefits from these lies ?

Why did they write, re write History over and over again across 6 generations ?

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

Sicilianthing wrote:

And the HITS just keep coming... br br br >&g... (show quote)

Orwell has predicted this in "1984"
We have been seeing this play out for quite a while now.

Sicilianthing

bdamage wrote:

Orwell has predicted this in "1984"
We have been seeing this play out for quite a while now.

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Just get ready for the fight Brian, there is no othe way.

Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs

Chocura750 wrote:

I can see why Republicans reverence the Confederate flag or the Army of Virginia flag whatever;. a poll showed that 25% of Republicans think the Emancipation Proclamation was a mistake. Truthfully we should all be thankful to the hundreds of thousands of black soldiers in the Union Army that were instrumental in defeating the rebels.

Wrong. There were not "hundreds of thousands of black soldiers in the Union Army."

Who did this poll that showed "25% of Republicans think the Emancipation Proclamation was a mistake."

I do believe you're puling this you-know-what out of your posterior!

PS: Where, ie in what battle, were black Union army soldiers "instrumental in defeating the rebels?" Ft Wagner?

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

Sicilianthing wrote:

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Just get ready for the fight Brian, there is no othe way.

I'm in Carolina and the fight has started!

The Radical Left Funded By George Soros Planning More Racially-Fueled Attacks In Seattle, Baltimore and Kentucky
by Geoffrey Grider August 14, 2017

As we reported to you over the weekend, the radical Left terror groups Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA are funded by George Soros. In Virginia, they turned a white nationalist rally into a bloodbath by inciting violence and being the first to strike. 3 people died because of their actions, and now they want to take their show on the road. Here is a list-in-progress of places where you can expect ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter to slither up to next.
Full story and their next targets:
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/radical-left-funded-soros-planning-racially-fueled-attacks-dallas-baltimore-kentucky/

Steve700

bdamage wrote:

Orwell has predicted this in "1984"
We have been seeing this play out for quite a while now.

Great picture. How does anyone on the left look at that and believe it to be a good thing ??? The people on the left are truly demented. Literally, half the people in this country are insane. Evil Insane

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Sicilianthing wrote:

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When the fighting starts Patriots better set up a Fort next to that Mount or the Scumbag transformationists will try and blow it up...

Do you see what's brewing?

Al Sharpton said today that the Jefferson Memorial in DC should come down.

Here's the irony, Sici, if the democrats (liberal progressives) were really serious about getting rid of ALL vestiges of slavery in America, they would have to abolish their own political party.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Chocura750 wrote:

I can see why Republicans reverence the Confederate flag or the Army of Virginia flag whatever;. a poll showed that 25% of Republicans think the Emancipation Proclamation was a mistake. Truthfully we should all be thankful to the hundreds of thousands of black soldiers in the Union Army that were instrumental in defeating the rebels.

By the end of the Civil War, roughly 179,000 black men (10% of the Union Army) served as soldiers in the U.S. Army and another 19,000 served in the Navy. Nearly 40,000 black soldiers died over the course of the war—30,000 of infection or disease. Black soldiers served in artillery and infantry and performed all noncombat support functions that sustain an arm--carpenters, chaplains, cooks, guards, laborers, nurses, scouts, spies, steamboat pilots, surgeons, and teamsters.

Black infantrymen fought gallantly at Milliken's Bend, LA; Port Hudson, LA; Petersburg, VA; and Nashville, TN, and the July 1863 assault on Fort Wagner, SC. These battles played a role in the war, but they were hardly "instrumental in defeating the rebels." Examples of the battles that were instrumental in deciding the outcome were Gettysburg, Chickamauga, Chancellorsville, Spotsylvania, and Antietam (Sharpsburg).