Transgender Navy SEAL hero: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy.' (Page 4): Excellent post Slatt and right on point and of course it doesn't surprise me you being...

Morgan

slatten49 wrote:

Paul Szoldra
Business Insider,
Wednesday, July 26, 2017

A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."

Beck is not just your average service member. Born Christopher Beck, she served for 20 years in the Navy with SEAL Teams 1, 5, and, eventually, the elite 6. She deployed 13 times over two decades, including stints in Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. She received the Bronze Star award for valor and the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat. (Those were among Beck's twenty-seven awards/medals/commendations)

"I was defending individual liberty," she said. "I defended for Republicans. I defended for Democrats. I defended for everyone."

In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget.

"They care more about the airplane or the tank than they care about people," Beck said. "They don't care about people. They don't care about human beings."

When asked about potential problems with unit cohesion or war fighting, Beck said those were not issues that would arise from transgender service members, but from leadership.

"A very professional unit with great leadership wouldn't have a problem," Beck said. "I can have a Muslim serving right beside Jerry Falwell, and we're not going to have a problem. It's a leadership issue, not a transgender issue."

Paul Szoldra br Business Insider, br Wednesday, J... (show quote)

Excellent post Slatt and right on point and of course it doesn't surprise me you being the poster, kudos x10 to you my friend

Morgan

Super Dave wrote:

This man/woman needs to get a grip on reality.

It's not about him/her.

It's about America. The military is not there for the benefit of individual serviceman.

The military is there to protect America.

All Patriot should put their personal wishes aside for the benefit of the country.

Is this person trying to get a gig on CNN or what?

That's exactly what those men and women were and are doing, just as the person wrote above. Trump goes back on his word once again, to protect transgenders from bias. There was never a problem here until one was created just as in the bathroom issue.

Morgan

Wolf counselor wrote:

Sorry slatt, I'm with the Trumpster on this one.

I guess ignorance is bliss, not meant to be offensive to you, only meaning the entire time people didn't know and took him at face value there was never a problem.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Morgan wrote:

That's exactly what those men and women were and are doing, just as the person wrote above. Trump goes back on his word once again, to protect transgenders from bias. There was never a problem here until one was created just as in the bathroom issue.

What do you mean there was no problem?

Military readiness is a big deal.

There is a reason that Obama waited until just before he left office to sabotage the military.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

slatten49 wrote:

Paul Szoldra
Business Insider,
Wednesday, July 26, 2017

A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."

Beck is not just your average service member. Born Christopher Beck, she served for 20 years in the Navy with SEAL Teams 1, 5, and, eventually, the elite 6. She deployed 13 times over two decades, including stints in Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. She received the Bronze Star award for valor and the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat. (Those were among Beck's twenty-seven awards/medals/commendations)

"I was defending individual liberty," she said. "I defended for Republicans. I defended for Democrats. I defended for everyone."

In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget.

"They care more about the airplane or the tank than they care about people," Beck said. "They don't care about people. They don't care about human beings."

When asked about potential problems with unit cohesion or war fighting, Beck said those were not issues that would arise from transgender service members, but from leadership.

"A very professional unit with great leadership wouldn't have a problem," Beck said. "I can have a Muslim serving right beside Jerry Falwell, and we're not going to have a problem. It's a leadership issue, not a transgender issue."

Paul Szoldra br Business Insider, br Wednesday, J... (show quote)

I told my wife Tuesday to get ready for something dramatic from Trump, probably delivered by tweet. I didn't know what it would be, but I expected something bizarre or outrageous. How did I predict this? It was because Jared had taken center stage/front page, for too long.....and Trump needed the focus returned to him.

The pattern is there for anyone who cares to look. Every time Trump precipitously "announces" some shit, without consulting his own staff, someone else had taken the limelight away from him just prior. It irritates me to see the MSM, and pundits, constantly trying to cipher some overriding policy shift, or any policy at all, out of the myriad goofy tweets that arrive daily. There simply ISN'T ANY. These are ad hoc scripts, written either late at night or early in the morning, based on the previous nights cable news binge watching. If Trump doesn't get top billing, he'll do something dramatic or shocking to get back up there.

Here's the guy who said "I alone can fix this", " I know more about ISIS than the Generals" and " you're going to get such good healthcare, at a fraction of the cost...it'll be so easy". None of those pronouncements were true....because he had not given ANY thought to those issues, beyond the sound bytes/optics of the statement. Here's the thing - he STILL hasn't given any thought to the issues, because that's not what he does, it's not his claim to fame. His MO is to get someone else to do what he wants done, or get fired, without any direction from him at all, because he has none to give.

This Transgender announcement is not a policy, DoD does not accept policy statements via twitter, and until the WH issues an official directive to Mattis.............it's just more Trump bullshit. It is a mistake to assume that Trump had given this any thought beyond " this'll get 'em riled up!". Continuing to get riled up over stupid tweets is a mistake. My advice is to ignore them.............and him.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

lpnmajor wrote:

I told my wife Tuesday to get ready for something ... (show quote)

Don't be such a drama queen. This is not that big a deal. America's had a military for over a couple of hundred years and transgenders have only been part of that for about less than a year.

Even your hero Obama maintained a transgender ban in the military for 7/8 of his presidency. What it is to be a transgender didn't change a year ago. What changed was political. It was Obama doing one last thrust to screw things up before he left.

Liberty Tree

slatten49 wrote:

Paul Szoldra
Business Insider,
Wednesday, July 26, 2017

A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."

Beck is not just your average service member. Born Christopher Beck, she served for 20 years in the Navy with SEAL Teams 1, 5, and, eventually, the elite 6. She deployed 13 times over two decades, including stints in Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. She received the Bronze Star award for valor and the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat. (Those were among Beck's twenty-seven awards/medals/commendations)

"I was defending individual liberty," she said. "I defended for Republicans. I defended for Democrats. I defended for everyone."

In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget.

"They care more about the airplane or the tank than they care about people," Beck said. "They don't care about people. They don't care about human beings."

When asked about potential problems with unit cohesion or war fighting, Beck said those were not issues that would arise from transgender service members, but from leadership.

"A very professional unit with great leadership wouldn't have a problem," Beck said. "I can have a Muslim serving right beside Jerry Falwell, and we're not going to have a problem. It's a leadership issue, not a transgender issue."

Paul Szoldra br Business Insider, br Wednesday, J... (show quote)

If one looks hard enough one can find exceptions to everything, but decisions must be made based on what is best for the majority not the exception.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Liberty Tree wrote:

If one looks hard enough one can find exceptions to everything, but decisions must be made based on what is best for the majority not the exception.

I have a slight disagreement.

In this case, decisions have to be made based on what's best for the military readiness. Not for the individual, the minority, or majority.

Morgan

Super Dave wrote:

What do you mean there was no problem?

Military readiness is a big deal.

There is a reason that Obama waited until just before he left office to sabotage the military.

No there wasn't a problem because transgenders for the most part go unnoticed, of course if a woman is unusually big there may be some suspicion, but really do you care about some unknown person you simply pass by. The same with a military person, what do you want to do, salute them and check their, spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch?

What are you talking about, people are in by their ability, whether they are man or woman, you either pass or fail. This person who made the elite 6 was by his/her ability not because whether he had a cock or not.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Morgan wrote:

No there wasn't a problem because transgenders for... (show quote)

I was in the military. It's close quarters, shared showers, little privacy, and a lot of trust in the person beside you.

Obama actually sent orders down the chain of command ordering women serving America to get used to showering with men, regardless of how they felt about it...

Here's a question... If you can, please give a direct reply..

If it were found out that in the past, Trump required women in his companies to shower with men, what would you say?

Alicia Loc: NYC

lpnmajor wrote:

I told my wife Tuesday to get ready for something ... (show quote)

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You understand the narcissistic little boy's character completely. He couldn't even bear his stupid son's upstaging him. I would bet that if Jared had shown some success in any of he lost-listed assignments given him by his father-in-law, Trump would eventually find something to belittle him. As someone said, "Trump likes acting president but doing none of the work." I do recollect seeing a video a while back in which Jared stated that Trump would soon lose interest in the president's job and turn it over to someone else.

Alicia Loc: NYC

Mr Bombastic wrote:

It's not about respect for him or his accomplishments. I served in the military. I would not want a transgender in the same shower with me. Not gonna happen. A lot of military personnel feel the same way. It damages the morale and unit cohesion to allow them to serve. Why should we bend over backward to appease a small minority when it can do damage to the majority who serve? Next thing you know, these perverts will be changing the Camos to pink and powder blue.

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My husband said about his friend (prior, during and after serving in the Marines together) that anyone who would react so violently if approached by a homosexual, is secretly afraid of his own masculinity. Mr. B., try some soul searching and see if you do not fit that example.

Chocura750

For me the policy is complicated, but the way Trump went about it is the story. Setting military policy by Tweets seems nuts. Trump's intent is to draw attention to himself and divert attention from the Sessions controversy and the Russian probe behind it. It also shows how Trump under cuts his staff. Mattis a few months ago had announced quietly that a six months study of the issue was to be undertaken. Typical Trumpism, draw attention to himself and crosses up his staff.

Kazudy

Wolf counselor wrote:

Sorry slatt, I'm with the Trumpster on this one.

Me too.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Chocura750 wrote:

For me the policy is complicated, but the way Trump went about it is the story. Setting military policy by Tweets seems nuts. Trump's intent is to draw attention to himself and divert attention from the Sessions controversy and the Russian probe behind it. It also shows how Trump under cuts his staff. Mattis a few months ago had announced quietly that a six months study of the issue was to be undertaken. Typical Trumpism, draw attention to himself and crosses up his staff.

I agree with the way he proceeds.

But I don't think he wants to divert from Sessions. He's trying to stoke the Sessions crapola.