Loki Loc: Georgia

Stop using bigotry as a catch-all phrase. We have been through this before. You call me a bigot because I use the term "wetback" to describe Hispanics and others who enter this country illegally via our Southern border. The fact that I have never insulted a legal Hispanic visitor to, or resident or citizen of this country because of their being Hispanic doesn't seem to register. You are bigoted against certain groups of people also; you have demonstrated this by your comments about cholos. It's okay to dislike cholos, because YOU dislike them.
You are correct in that Americans are being assaulted by a ruling class. However, this ruling class did not vote themselves into office, nor did they re-elect themselves. Clueless, apathetic voters are the real problem and are their own worst enemy.
You also ignore the bigotry on the part of the same blacks, Hispanics and Muslims that you defend.

straightUp Loc: California

Well, I'm not a Muslim, so I guess I'm stupid, right? See, I can't find where in the Koran it actually says either of those things. Maybe you can point it out. That is, if your not just making it up.

EconomistDon

Bigotry IS incurable. It is in our genetic make-up. It was hard-wired in the genes of animals long before man first appeared on earth. We are no exception. Evolution was responsible for creating a defense mechanism, a survival tactic. When an animal encountered an unfamiliar animal, one that looked significantly different from its own breed, it became suspicious and distrusting. This became inbred as thousands of generations had better survival success among those who were more cautious. Better survival rates meant longer years of procreation, and more offspring who could inherit cautious genes.

The bigotry could be overcome only through familiarity. As an animal learns that the different-looking animal is not dangerous, and all animals looking like that animal also prove to be not dangerous, the bigotry fades. Man is no different. People of different races and religions learn to trust each other and lose their bigotry as each proves that they are not dangerous to the others. Unfortunately, this is not the case for Islam. I'm sure that there are millions of kind, docile Muslims. BUT, in every country where concentrations of Muslims reside, there are Muslim terror groups. There are dozens of names of the terror groups. As long as terror groups continue to be dangerous, Muslims will not be trusted anywhere. The bigotry will only grow stronger. Our genetic make-up guarantees it.

Mr Bombastic

Someone else already pointed them out. You really should pay attention.

Steve700

That was your answer to Mr. Bombastic's statement "Pay attention, FOOL! Not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is a fact that Muslims will lie to you". I can validate that he is absolutely correct. They even have a word for the suggested pattern of conduct to be deceitful as to the true nature of Islam in order to protect the and give an advantage over the infidel who is to be subjugated (subjugated and be made to pay an extra tax, extortion, in order to be allowed to live, or be given the choice to convert or die. This is the truth about Islam and naturally they want to keep that from you until they have sufficient power to overcome you. Those are Mohammed's directives to all Muslims for all times. They even have a word for this suggested pattern of conduct of deceit. It is called "Taqiyya".

Yes every single last Muslim lies. They have to because the truth about Islam is absolutely unacceptable to the Western mind. If you don't believe it has some Muslim sometime what Mohammed did for a living after the death of his first wife. There is no way in hell that they will tell you the truth because the fact is what he did was attack caravans, everyone he could find out about going between Saudi Arabia and Egypt and tear them to shreds, stealing all the goods killing everyone that wasn't fit enough to be a slave or concubine, raping all the women in the evening on the day their husbands were killed or put into slavery. Obviously, there is no way in hell, that a Muslim is going to come out and tell you that. Many moderate Muslims, I am convinced, do not even know these things and are told of the admirable things about Mohammed. Moammed was a murderer, a mass murder, a thief, a robber, an extortionist, a pedophile, a plunder were of the innocent and a slaver. And that is the God's honest truth. (I can give you a very short, accurate, concise, (about seven paragraphs) lesson on Islam that will give you a quick and real good basic understanding of Islam. DO NOT get your information about Islam from Muslims since that is about the same thing as a Jew asking a Nazi what Nazi-ism is all about. Islam is as much political as it is a religion and it is totally incompatible with both the Constitution and democracy. Don't ever forget that or think it doesn't matter because many Muslims don't practice it that way.

PeterS

Estimate by who? You are simply making up numbers to fit your paranoia and to justify your hatred of Islam. That just shows what a tiny little human being you are and nothing more. The problem is fundamentalism not Islam and the only difference between you and a terrorist is that you use government to do your killing whereas a terrorist will do it themselves...

Mr Bombastic

You are too stupid to live. How does your brain generate enough energy to keep you breathing? Maybe that's why you are so stupid. You don't have enough energy to think.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Just like you use the government to steal money from people for what you consider "charitable purposes", when conservatives would donate it themselves.

PeterS

Hey, I grew up in New Mexico so it's a simple statement of fact nothing more. If you can't deal with the alcoholism that is rampant amongst the reservations trying to make it someone else's problem isn't going to help. And as I said before, my father was a alcoholic and your disjointed logic, and extreme offense at it, is very symptomatic of someone who has partaken in the white mans firewater a few too many times.

And lastly, you sit here and spew filth at others on a minute by minute basis. If you can't handle having some of it thrown back in your face then you really shouldn't be throwing it at others!

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PeterS

Where did I use government to steal money for charitable purposes? If you are going to throw from left field give a man some warning okay...

PeterS

I'm too stupid? Why, simply because I figured out you motives. I will admit, figuring you out doesn't take a genius but that wouldn't make me stupid either. And since your only comeback is to denigrate others can I assume you have nothing else of value to add to the conversation?

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Back atcha! Where did Mr. B. use the government do do his killing!

straightUp Loc: California

Wow, you're still not over that?

First of all, why do I have to stop using bigotry as a catch-all phrase? You were very emphatic about not being called a racist, because the derogatory statements you were making were about Mexicans and "Mexican" is a nationality not a race. So if you're going to nit-pick, I'm going to use a word that describes an intolerance towards all kinds of sterotypes. Bigotry by definition fits the bill and yes, it's a catch-all phrase.

Wetbacks... Latino immigrants... not the ones with legal permissions which you're all buddy-buddy with, but the ones that don't have legal permission that you feel free to piss on because they are so tremendously different. That's the part I don't understand about you Loki. That extreme difference between the way you treat one group and the way you treat the other and the only difference between groups is a matter of legality. it makes me wonder how genuine your good nature toward legal immigrants really is.

As for Cholos, I told you about my experience with them and I was being honest when I said I developed an attitude toward them. I lost that attitude a long time ago, BTW. The point of bringing it up was to show you that I am not beyond stereotyping. I don't think anyone is... Do you remember me saying that? I've always said it's not what people have in them, it's the way they manage themselves. In any case, despite the negative feelings I had toward Cholos I'm not sure I would actually call that bigotry, because I never actually called for the banishment or destruction of their entire culture.

But, you're right... we've already been through this.


Agreed.


I don't actually ignore the bigotry found in in other cultures... I've already suggested the human nature of it. But there's a difference between personal feelings that are managed by a sense of decency and personal feelings that breech that decency and invade the political process. That is the type of bigotry that I converse about. Your personal feelings are none of my business... national politics is. See?

It just so happens that in America, the only bigotry leveraging national politics today is coming from the right.

PeterS

First, bigotry is taught parent to child not inherited. A black child and a white child will play together just fine until the parents teach them otherwise. And encountering fellow human beings isn't the same as encountering an "unfamiliar" animal like say a lion. Last, mixing of communities would be necessary to find a mate and as a means of improving ones quality of life. If bigotry was genetic, mixing wouldn't occur and the human race would eventually die out.

Steve700

Yes, Islamic fundamentalism = following Mohammed's directives to kill the infidel and keep doing it until there is no more dissent or opposition and until there remains but one religion, Islam, and Allah alone is worshiped. Just remember the leader of Turkey, Erdagon's words: "To speak of moderate Islam is ridiculous and insulting. Islam is Islam. And there is only Islam.".

Wake Up Dummy. I've explained these things to you before