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Jun 27, 2017 06:39:36   #
Sassy Lass
 
Sandersnistra wrote:
Why not?


Why not? Look at the VA, that is single payer. How's that working out? Keep the government OUT of our healthcare!!!

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Jun 27, 2017 09:09:14   #
Alber
 
In early January, then-president-elect Trump said, "They [Democrats] own it right now. So the easiest thing would be to let it (Obama Care) implode in 2017, and believe me: we'd get pretty much whatever we wanted."

It is important the repeal of Obama Care and its costly regulations but also it is necessary to move the American health care system in a patient-centered direction, so any measure taken in this moment must be transitory with the intention of establishing in a near future, two years at the most, a Universal Health Care System with nothing to do with health insurance. It is necessary to find a new way of health care financing, because it is important for everybody. Health care financing must be taken away from the insurance companies creating organizations to work on behalf of the interest of the people and conducted by the own people, making its functions more close to their knowledge. Neither right nor left, non-political and non-profit associations with autonomy, regulated by the law, taking on account, with the help of the American Medical Association, the reasonable and decorous earnings of those professionals and workers that labor on the field of health, procuring by the means of the law the "goodwill" of the enterprises that make the medicines. The infrastructure to accomplish this goal exist, there is no need of any investment, just to establish the form of payment for the use or acquisition of the existing installations by this associations to the owners and how to develop new installations in the future.
We must study the systems of other countries (The United Kingdom, Italy, France, Sweden, Spain, etc.). To study do not means to copy, but to learn of others experiences. There is to much red tape to get a good attention with the mediation of a purveyor of insurance and even you do not receive proper attention, because if you need a specialist, you will not have access to this professional if there is not one in your area that is under payment by the insurance company in which you have a plan. Besides what you pay for insurance you must pay and amount for every visit or specialized treatment and for the medicine. In the aforesaid countries you pay a tax but you do not have to pay when you need medical attention or other treatment and the medicine is subsidized.
It could be created a universal health system without any intermediary (insurance companies), affordable for everybody, taking on account the persons of low income. The USA is the first country in the world and it is a shame that it is the number 37 in this field as says the UN, ranking with Cuba that is number 39, a country where its inhabitants have a miserable life.




We could create non-profit associations in every county endorsed by the State and Federal governments, with a budget of both, taking on account an annual quota per capita for the number of associates at the beginning of each year, with the payment of a monthly quota by each associate, equal for all associates including children, collectable through the payroll as the taxes with the number of the social security.
Eluding the monopoly of the service and trying to develop the competition among this associations it could be created two, three or more in each county. These associations would have hospitals and dispensaries for external attention under their control with dental care and other services not included actually in the insurance and the medicine could be subsidized. These associations would be supervised by an Agency in every State and a Federal Agency in the nation, and both of them at their level, would inspect periodically all their functions, technical and of the economy. There was an experience of this mutual system in Cuba before the communist government expropriated all de hospitals and dispensaries of this associations and the system was taken in account by the Constitution of this country of 1940, one of the most advanced in the world in that moment.
It is the same that Mr. Trump wants to do with the education, a budget for each student, so a budget for each person's health. In this moment the Obama Care Insurance Market, taking the amount of money from the taxes, pays to Florida Blue Insurance Company for a man 74 years old, 770 USD monthly and if he needs the service of a specialist, he has to pay, from his pocket, an amount for each visit or for any treatment prescribed and for the medicine.
The USA has 324 millions of inhabitants, if from each inhabitant this program received a part (could be one half) of the minimum salary established for one day (eight hours) of work as a monthly quota and the Federal and States governments contribute with an annual quota per person (taken from the taxes), there would be an appropriated financing of health care, receiving much less money from the taxes that Obama Care do actually. There would be a great savings, because there would be no profit and the salaries of the health professionals, of the administration (including all non professional workers) and of the board of directors of these associations, would be no more than a low % of the profit, for those with actual investments in the health care business and for the insurance companies. So, the decrease of the expenses and the decrease of the amount of the profits would help to pay the mortgage for the acquisition of the existing installations and would reduce the income necessity for health care in comparison with this moment, what would make possible a decrease of the amount of tax taken actually by Obama Care, making affordable the maintenance of a Universal Health Care System.

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Jun 27, 2017 09:10:38   #
Gatsby
 
If the government does not control healthcare, then healthcare will control the government.

Which represents the interests of the people?

Fifty years ago, a hospital room cost was $27.50 per day, minimum wage was $1.65 an hour.

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Jun 27, 2017 09:21:43   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Exactly. Healthcare was affordable until politicians and lobbyist's got involved.
Gatsby wrote:
If the government does not control healthcare, then healthcare will control the government.

Which represents the interests of the people?

Fifty years ago, a hospital room cost was $27.50 per day, minimum wage was $1.65 an hour.

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Jun 27, 2017 09:26:20   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I have posted the research many times. In all fairness proponents of single payer such as Buffalo have posted many articles in support. So we end up with fact from to opposing groups. Look it up. Common sense would tell you there will have to be higher taxes and rationing. You throw that many people on a government program you will need many more doctors, that you won't get. Not many people are going to spend eight years in school, take out up to a million in loans to be on the government payroll.
Alicia wrote:
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Where did you gain your info? Your opinion does not make a fact. FACTS please.

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Jun 27, 2017 10:12:51   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
PRM2014 wrote:
The truth told, medicare IS Already Bankrupt. They will just keep writing those worthless checks, and expect we the people to pay it all back.
The sorry politicians are all members of the DC SWAMP, and it must be drained immediately if not sooner.


You are correct. In fact, the entire country and it's fraudulent monetary system is bankrupt.

Say bye bye to Illinois, the first state in the Union to either declare bankruptcy (after they amend their state Constitution) or the state of Illinois simply dissolves and gets absorbed into the surrounding states. Make no mistake, there is not a bailout big enough to cover the debt due to Democrat corruption in the state of Lincoln. It's toast, this is the direct result of Democrat Communist/Socialist politics.

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Jun 27, 2017 12:01:27   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Gatsby wrote:
If the government does not control healthcare, then healthcare will control the government.

Which represents the interests of the people?

Fifty years ago, a hospital room cost was $27.50 per day, minimum wage was $1.65 an hour.


I believe it was caused by inflation and supported by the Fed Banking system. They printed funny money then and they are still printing that funny money where everyone gets hurt but the banks. If we are not careful we may end up with inflation like we have seen in some third world countries.

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Jun 27, 2017 12:15:10   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Sandersnistra wrote:
Why not?



First, do a single payer system for your own field, not mine. Then put up with it for five years and see how you like it.

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Jun 27, 2017 13:38:33   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
JFlorio wrote:
Exactly. Healthcare was affordable until politicians and lobbyist's got involved.


As soon as they dipped their fingers into it, anything to do with medical skyrocketed including wages for services.
In all their self proclaimed knowledge, they released the Kraken of health care and services!

SEMPER FI

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Jun 27, 2017 15:10:44   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Gatsby wrote:
If the government does not control healthcare, then healthcare will control the government.

Which represents the interests of the people?

Fifty years ago, a hospital room cost was $27.50 per day, minimum wage was $1.65 an hour.


In 2015 the US average per day cost of a hospital room was $2,271. http://www.kff.org/health-costs/state-indicator/expenses-per-inpatient-day/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

Minimum wage is today is $7.25/hour. To have the same ratio of per day hospital costs to minimum wage today the minimum wage would need to be $17.00/hour.

I read somewhere (couldn't find it) that in 1970 private health INSURANCE paid for only 5.5% of total health CARE spending that year. Private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations want the cost of medical CARE ridiculously high so that no one but the wealthy 1% could afford it so everyone else will have to buy their overpriced product.

Do those that think Medicare for All is unaffordable also think that the blank check handed to the Pentagon each year to conduct endless illegal, unConstitutional, immoral wars is a good way to spend tax money? Cutting out the $1.75 TRILLION that private, for profit health INSURANCE giants collect in premiums and then profit $500 BILLION from that would go along way along with a small tax increase on ALL taxpayers and ALL incomes including annual stock value increases, investment incomes and capital gains would more than enough to pay for a Medicare for All system and save 95% of taxpayers money in the process.

As Bevos told me to do about how Trump proposes to get Mexico to pay for his silly wall, do the research yourself and find out for yourself hope Americans are being duped, ripped off, lied to and told myths by the private, for profit health INSURANCE giants about single payer Medicare for All while racking in BILLIONS in profits.





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Jun 27, 2017 15:32:26   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Alicia wrote:
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Where did you gain your info? Your opinion does not make a fact. FACTS please.


Buyer Beware: The Failure of Single-Payer Health Care

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Jun 27, 2017 17:17:30   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 


Who paid the authors of this propaganda piece?

The "polls" also had bitch clinton winning the 2016 Presidential election. Polls can be made to reflect whatever result the pollster desires or is being paid for. Every time the Canadian health CARE, Medicare for All, system or any other country's single payer system or a US Medicare for All system, the term FREE is thrown around insinuating that health CARE is or would be FREE. That is bullshit! People in Canada and else where PAY TAXES to fund their health CARE system. Medicare for All in the US would not be free to no more than those that get health CARE for free now (Medicaid, VA). Under the proposed Expanded and Improved Meidcare for All (HR676) Medicare and then VA would be abolished. Meidcare for All would be funded by taxpayers that no longer have to pay triple the taxes in premiums for a shitty health INSURANCE policy with a deductible the size of 2-3 months income.

When the term FREE is used for the delivery of a health CARE system like Medicare for All, I know the paid propagandists for the private, for profit health INSURANCE giants are at work. The giants fear losing their gravy train of rape and pillage of the US health CARE system.

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Jun 27, 2017 19:10:51   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
Sandersnistra wrote:
When the ruling class/1% pay their fair share in taxes and we have a 15$ to $20 live g wage Medicare for all will work ...just how it happens in Canada and Europe. When I was in Germany last year I needed medical help. Cost me about $50. I have cancer. ACA kept us from serious financial borderline bankruptcy. ACA needs fixing . We would have had Medicare for all of it hadn't been for some spineless Democrats. And of course it ended up being a half way measure instead. I currently pay $1035 per month for health insurance. PREMARA BLUE CROSS are just extortionist. That's one of many reasons we need so how payer as well
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Please show me in the constitution where we need to provide free health care. If you smoke, drink, or do drugs but complain you can't afford health care?? What does frivolous lawsuits do to medical costs. Welfare people will sit on their asses waiting on me and others to work and pay for their benefits. THAT IS BULLSHIT.

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Jun 27, 2017 19:20:30   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
PRM2014 wrote:
The truth told, medicare IS Already Bankrupt. They will just keep writing those worthless checks, and expect we the people to pay it all back.
The sorry politicians are all members of the DC SWAMP, and it must be drained immediately if not sooner.


It wouldnt be if all the money stolen from it was put back!

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Jun 27, 2017 19:20:41   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Please show me in the constitution where we need to provide free health care. If you smoke, drink, or do drugs but complain you can't afford health care?? What does frivolous lawsuits do to medical costs. Welfare people will sit on their asses waiting on me and others to work and pay for their benefits. THAT IS BULLSHIT.


Guess what, Cherokee? Some people, the poor, are provided health CARE for FREE paid for by us TAXPAYERS. If you pay taxes you should be afforded health CARE.

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