Lonewolf

what troubles me is Jr trump denies the meeting the news people show him the emails so jr quickly releases them befor they do so he admits he met with this russian lawyer he says nothing about manafort or kushner being at the meeting. but when that comes out he remembers but don't mention the other 4 russians in the room . PAPA trump comes to the rescue saying the meeting was only 20 minutes and was about adoption even though the emails say it's about dirt on hillary
Lie after lie after lie clinton lies to but shes not in office.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

The meeting was about adoption. Not sold that way, just how it ended up. So what? These supposed facts are hearsay. Trump jr. wasn't under oath. No crime. Unethical, bad judgment fine. Nothing here. Obama told the American people three distinct lies about the ACA. Should he have been charged? You are unteachable. Your blind hate for everything Trump does not change the law. Give it up.

PeterS

Hugs and kisses to you to...

PeterS

Why is it Obama's sins are always an excuse for whatever Trump and his minions do? Is individual responsibility no longer part of the conservative platform?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Dumb fuk. I'm not saying either act was criminal. The point as usual went over your dumbass. There is nothing criminal to excuse from either person. Geez intelligent conversation with you people is impossible.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Why was it Bush's sins we're always an excuse for whatever Obama and his minions did? now answer your own question: is individual responsibility no longer part of the liberals platform?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"now answer your own question: is individual responsibility no longer part of the liberals platform?" - Ranger7374

When has it ever been?
JFK overcame the Democrat's establishment/DNC of his time.
LBJ was their pick to get the nomination.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

My point here is that with the exception of JFK and Reagan, no other president personally accepted responsibility for their actions. Look a Bill Clinton in his testimony with Kenneth Starr, "A BJ is not my definition of 'sexual relations'".

We hold the conservatives personally responsible for their actions, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr. Bush Jr. Nixon with watergate. Reagan with Iran Contra, Bush with Desert Storm, Bush Jr. for Iraqi freedom and Enduring freedom in Afghanistan. But not Johnston with Vietnam, or Carter with terrorism, or Clinton with a variety of problems, and finally Trump is holding Obama with the mess he made, but the press is fighting him tooth and nail, drumming up this "Russian collusion".

Do you remember? Benghazi, Fast and Furious, "Is it a law or a penalty?" on the individual mandate? The lack of enforcement on Bill Clinton's law: protection of Marriage act? Obamacare as a whole? There was a lot of messed up stuff Obama did against the American people, that Trump is being slammed for. But instead of blaming Obama for the mess, he is attempting to clean it up. But nooooooooooo. The liberals won't have it.

Now eagleye, you are right, but I am proving that the lack of personal responsibility is a generation thing not a liberal/conservative thing. They all do it.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"Now eagleye, you are right, but I am proving that the lack of personal responsibility is a generation thing not a liberal/conservative thing. They all do it." - Ranger7374

I agree totally. I spent my life trying to expose the sell out and partnership of both parties with the moneyed powers. The globalists. The NWO perps. I never voted for either party presidential nominees until Ron Paul; and he was sabotaged by the RNC.
Only Trump was able to break their stranglehold. most probably don't remember that the RNC tried like hell to block Trump. CFR NeoCONS like McConnell are still getting in the way. Paul Ryan too.

The RNC/Republicans are better at hiding it, with their phony "War on Terror", regime changing, MIC, etc.
The DNC/Democrats just do their crumb throwing, and massive indoctrination. Things like; they are looking out for the "little guy".

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

The parties in the two-party system are breaking apart at the cost of the American voter.

There is so many splinters in the RNC and DNC that it is not even funny.
What needs to happen is the American people create a different party free from the two-party system that can gobble up what remains of the DNC and RNC.

PeterS

They weren't, only when it applied. And no, we've always been collective. You're the manly men who like to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps. Or at least that's what I was told...

JaneB

The legal definition of collusion is an agreement to defraud or go after something prohibited by law.

Again, collusion is by its legal definition a criminal activity: “…an agreement to defraud or go after something prohibited by law." Like working with a foreign government planning to affect the election process in favor of one candidate...by for instance hacking computers. Look it up. The legal dictionaries aren’t your enemy, you can’t write them off as msm.

The meeting and delivery of damaging info was agreed to and the attempt was made. A robbery even if bungled/no loot, is still a crime. "Attempt" is an operative term here.

Do you think it’s just coincidence that Trump announced there would be some interesting news right before the emails were released? That he publicly asked for Russia to find the lost emails? Pure coincidence? And do you really think that Trump’s son, son-in-law and then campaign manager would not tell him about the meeting? Why in the world would you think they wouldn’t tell him?

Regarding not keeping visitor logs, how convenient if Trump has foreign leaders or people of influence staying at his hotel so they can meet with him, right? Or if he or his family gets trademark rights or other various special treatments or favors that benefit his business? He has refused to divest and is therefore in violation. Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the US Constitution prohibits receipt of anything of value from a foreign government. So he doesn’t want the public to know who he – a public servant – is meeting with.

Hiding tax returns, hiding visitor logs, hiding meetings with Russians (so many failures to report meetings)…none of that is suspicious to you? Wow.

His campaign evidently did go after valuable info but Trump et al were private citizens then, not a government official. Collusion and the emolument clause are separate issues. My bad for conflating them. Trump has two separate legal issues, with enough evidence for both…or there would not be these investigations proceeding.

I have said now 4 times that I am no big Hillary fan but if she sat the hours and days of hearing and you are sure there was such conclusive evidence, then bad on the republican inquisitors that they were impotent to make the legal case when for you it is so cut and dried and irrefutable. I am all for her getting locked up if she is found guilty, however sometimes people see evidence that isn’t there…and don’t see evidence that is there…yet they can be so sure.

I see so much avoiding response to the questions and points at hand and instead deflecting always back to Hillary as if you have to be reminded like in grade school that two wrongs don’t make a right. But maybe that is your best defense so all you can do is talk about Hillary in order to rationalize Donald’s behavior…“Well, she did it first!” For the 5th time, I was not a defender of Hillary, and I would like all politicians for whom lying, hiding, and conflicts of interest are regularly and egregiously occurring, to be exposed and deposed. Just curious, did you believe there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? Do you have objective criteria for when to believe a govt report?

JaneB

Your only evidence that “there is no evidence” is what Comey said at one point in time, and what Clapper said – but you admitted it’s possible (and it’s quite possible) that at that moment the investigation was focused on Flynn, Manafort and Page, and Trump was “of interest” but not yet under investigation. You don’t need to be “privy” to any inside scoop with Comey…just need to be logical.

And Clapper clarified that it’s likely he WOULDN’T have been shown the evidence.

One of the questions you did not answer is why you leave off that caveat?

If there was no sign of evidence, the investigation would not be continuing. If he’s not hiding anything, then there will be no evidence to prove that he was.

Since you are so, ahem, sure you have answered all my questions, how about these (in addition to the one above that you didn’t answer)? Hmmm. It seems you can be very certain…yet wrong.

And I’m not surprised it doesn’t bother you that he hasn’t released [his taxes] despite saying he would. To you, it’s “a simple dodge”…how about it’s another lie and an effort to withhold valuable information?

Why do you assume anyone or everyone analyzing them wouldn’t know what they are looking for or what they are talking about?
And even if some didn’t, do you assume none who would be investigating would know what they are looking for/talking about?

Why do you assume it wouldn’t bother me if Clinton colluded? (Especially when I keep repeating that I was not a big fan and would be fine seeing her go to prison if there is evidence that more than a biased faction finds conclusive. That’s how our system works.

Did you believe there were weapons of mass destruction? (I am trying to gauge your truth filters.)

One more question…do you think two wrongs make a right? It seems that’s the big defensive move…pivot to Clinton.
And no, I am not susceptible to the allure of power or money or special favor (or favors) to push me to do anything illegal or unethical.

Since you said you wouldn't be replying, I will take you at your word. So this is goodbye :)

JaneB

Ranger, I very much agree with you

JaneB

Peter, I agree that there are much more of the compassionate cooperative principles/practices in the fiber of democratic party. I always caution however that compassion can become enabling or co-dependency if not well balanced with principles/practices of self-reliance and personal responsibility.

Many who were born on third base think they hit a triple. I think it would be very difficult to find anyone who reached their goal without help along the way.

We need a New Visions Party. With many social gatherings along the way. Bring people together to connect and build bridges. Creativity, collaboration, and a new consciousness that knows how to leverage our fundamental interconnectedness. "Major problems can't be solved with the same consciousness that created them." Einstein

"Man's problems aren't political, they're fundamentally philosophical. Until we solve our philosophical problems we're condemned to repeat our political problems over and over again. It's a cruel repetitious bore. " Tom Robbins (iconic 60's and '70s author)