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Jul 20, 2017 10:44:10   #
Big Bass
 
desparado wrote:
If it were found jr took informstoin out of thst meeting it could have value and thats agenst the law


uote=JFlorio]So what? Show me the statute that states meeting with Russians is a crime.
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You are so outclassed, you are waffling. Admit defeat.

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Jul 20, 2017 10:47:42   #
PeterS
 
desparado wrote:
If it were found jr took informstoin out of thst meeting it could have value and thats agenst the law


uote=JFlorio]So what? Show me the statute that states meeting with Russians is a crime.
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Do you come out of your hole very much? You can't take contributions from foreign sources. The exchange of information is considered a political contribution. If nothing else Manifort would have known this yet he clearly thought the information more important than any campaign laws that might be broken!!!

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Jul 20, 2017 10:48:20   #
Lonewolf
 
It's not but takeing anything of vslue from them is

quote=desparado]If it were found jr took informstoin out of thst meeting it could have value and thats agenst the law


uote=JFlorio]So what? Show me the statute that states meeting with Russians is a crime.[/quote][/quote]

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Jul 20, 2017 10:49:03   #
PeterS
 
Big Bass wrote:
You are so outclassed, you are waffling. Admit defeat.

Admit in defeat in victory? He's right. If you watched anything else but Fox you might know that...

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Jul 20, 2017 10:49:28   #
S. Maturin
 
PeterS wrote:
So you think all that negative press from the release of the emails caused not a single person on the fence to decide how to vote? You want proof--use some common sense...


What emails? Hillary's? If Hillary's, then the big question is: Why did those emails exist and why did she and her team destroy 33,000 of them, all those blackberries, those sim cards,.... Have you ever given any of that half a thought?

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Jul 20, 2017 10:54:06   #
Big Bass
 
PeterS wrote:
Admit in defeat in victory? He's right. If you watched anything else but Fox you might know that...

Did you know that all your beloved MSM channels are vying for the Pulitzer Prize - FOR FICTION?

[quote=tiny peter]"Admit in defeat in victory?" Could you translate into comprehensible English what this statement means??

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Jul 20, 2017 10:56:09   #
PeterS
 
S. Maturin wrote:
What emails? Hillary's? If Hillary's, then the big question is: Why did those emails exist and why did she and her team destroy 33,000 of them, all those blackberries, those sim cards,.... Have you ever given any of that half a thought?

No, the emails released by the Russians in a effort to help Trump. The argument you are making is that those had no impact on the election. I say you are full of shit...

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Jul 20, 2017 11:15:13   #
S. Maturin
 
PeterS wrote:
No, the emails released by the Russians in a effort to help Trump. The argument you are making is that those had no impact on the election. I say you are full of shit...


Yes, well; your opinion on that is about as valuable as your thinking ability.

You absolutely must be on welfare-for-life. No human could exist long with such a paucity of thinking ability and surely no business would ever hire such defective talent.

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Jul 20, 2017 11:16:56   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
PeterS wrote:
No, the emails released by the Russians in a effort to help Trump. The argument you are making is that those had no impact on the election. I say you are full of shit...


Has anyone figured out that Putin does not want an ill lying psychopath with her finger on the Red Button? Putin is intelligent enough to not want nuclear war. How about the NeoCons, with their incessant war mongering, and regime changes. Now there you have some psychopaths.

The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

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Jul 20, 2017 12:09:32   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
JaneB wrote:
Not true at all JFlorio. I was all for the Hillary hearings and if there's evidence - not speculation, conjecture or creative filling in of facts - then by all means she should be charged/convicted.

But you didn't answer about the evidence for Trump's collusion, or his campaign's. Do you see it or are there 100 excuses for why it's not collusion? And whether you think he should face criminal charges. Or if he should parole his son if convicted (and Trump's not).

Maybe you can say how you feel of no visitor logs, or of false claims of no meetings, and to show you are not dogmatically partisan, don't you think he should - as 40 years of presidents have - turn over his tax returns? Didn't he say he would? Or are you only interested in transparency, honesty and forthcoming-ness of documents or SIM cards that hold important information - if it's related to Hillary?
Not true at all JFlorio. I was all for the Hillary... (show quote)


Need I remind you that collusion is not illegal? That's the problem here. So Trump jr, spoke with Russia(a lawyer from Russia not even connected to the Kremlin or the KGB) about Clinton evidence of illegal activity. Apparently the information was not creditible therefore Trump jr, dismissed it.

Just because there was negotiations with the Russians does not make it illegal. Remember we are not at war with Russia. And no sensitive information concerning classified information was released to Russia. So the fact stands, what crime was committed?

Now, looking at the DNC, and I feel sorry they got hacked but Hillary's track record with emails and cyber security is very poor. She got in trouble when she was Secretary of State, then she was running for president and her party was attacked by hackers. This is where the investigation needs to look.

But there is no press coverage on that simple fact. Trump jr actions don't seem suspicious to me, because in my opinion the info the Russian lawyer had on Clinton, the FBI already knew about.

So to me I think, the illegal activity is actually coming from the Clinton camp because no crime has been committed and if a crime was committed then wouldn't we have an indictment by now? Two years of investigation and not a hint of a crime?

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Jul 20, 2017 12:14:46   #
S. Maturin
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Need I remind you that collusion is not illegal? That's the problem here. So Trump jr, spoke with Russia(a lawyer from Russia not even connected to the Kremlin or the KGB) about Clinton evidence of illegal activity. Apparently the information was not creditible therefore Trump jr, dismissed it.

Just because there was negotiations with the Russians does not make it illegal. Remember we are not at war with Russia. And no sensitive information concerning classified information was released to Russia. So the fact stands, what crime was committed?

Now, looking at the DNC, and I feel sorry they got hacked but Hillary's track record with emails and cyber security is very poor. She got in trouble when she was Secretary of State, then she was running for president and her party was attacked by hackers. This is where the investigation needs to look.

But there is no press coverage on that simple fact. Trump jr actions don't seem suspicious to me, because in my opinion the info the Russian lawyer had on Clinton, the FBI already knew about.

So to me I think, the illegal activity is actually coming from the Clinton camp because no crime has been committed and if a crime was committed then wouldn't we have an indictment by now? Two years of investigation and not a hint of a crime?
Need I remind you that collusion is not illegal? T... (show quote)


Oh, and there will be lots of 'hearings' on the hill where stern-looking fake folks will go through their lines, pose for the cameras, look forward to being quoted, while all looking like silly kids playing with their toys in some bubble bath. Yeah, and never mind that real work goes undone.

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Jul 20, 2017 12:33:40   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
No, the emails released by the Russians in a effort to help Trump. The argument you are making is that those had no impact on the election. I say you are full of shit...


May I remind you Pete, it was James Comey's revelation to Congress that swayed the election. When he reported to Congress about Hilary's emails. When this news became public Trump won the election. It's that simple. Now in my opinion, Obama should have fired Comey before the election. And Trump should have fired him after the election and not six months later.

But I guess we will have to wait and see what new leads Mueller will find with leads based upon Trump jr's meeting. The lead here will be what info was obtained. And did the FBI already know about the info?

Then this investigation will take a very strong twist. Remember Pete, we must explore all leads in the investigation and it may very well turn out that the Trump campaign did not consider the info creditable. The campaign is was not investigators but just a support structure for the interest of their leader. So, if the info was used how was it used?

Remember in 2008 when the Black Panthers were intimidating voters in St Louis to vote for Obama? That was illegal. But it didn't get any ink. No one at the polls in this election was forcing voters to choose Trump over Hillary. So in this instance I ask again....What crime was committed?

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Jul 20, 2017 12:36:46   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Oh, and there will be lots of 'hearings' on the hill where stern-looking fake folks will go through their lines, pose for the cameras, look forward to being quoted, while all looking like silly kids playing with their toys in some bubble bath. Yeah, and never mind that real work goes undone.


You're right but that's a separate issue.

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Jul 20, 2017 12:55:36   #
Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs
 
desparado wrote:
You do know there were 4 Russians at that meeting don't you

te=Mr Shako]In an "effort to share perspectives,"I believe you need to get your facts syou do aight. No one, to my knowledge (and you're free to correct me on this point), has disputed it was a friend of young Trump's that e-mailed him he had an "individual", supposedly in the know, who had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton. Did young Trump want to hear what it was? He said, basically, "Hell, yes!" Since US politics has been cutthroat ever since GW retired back to Mt Vernon, you would know from your study of US History that this, IMO, was a normal reaction. (Do you remember the SEALED divorce papers of Obama's GOP rival in the former's run for the Illinois Senate seat being made public--a clear violation of Illinois law? Seems he wanted to be a "swinger" and his ex emphatically said,"No way, brother! Hence, the divorce. A lot of people believe to this day, the Daley machine brought about their release. As you could imagine, Obama brought it up and the Republican didn't beat him. Cutthroat politics at its best--or worse, of course) Young Trump met this individual , a known lobbyist for the Russian govt, and was surprised to find out she didn't have the goods on the bee-yatch at all but only wanted to talk about US restrictions placed on the Russian gov't, but in particular, certain Russian oligarchs in a possible trade-off for Putin's retaliatory freezing America's childless parents from adopting little Russian bastards, and thus denying them a chance for a better life. After listening to her blather for approx. 30 mins, he abruptly adjourned the mtg (just the fact he met with her later dubbed "treason" by the bee-yatch's choice for VP)[what does this tell you about Hillary Clinton's mind-set or worse, what might have transpired should she be forced from office [Lock her up! Lock her up!] and Kaine made POTUS? ]. From what I gather, Trump and this Russian lawyer never saw each other again. Now...is what I posted correct...or do you have another version you'd like to put forth?
You do know there were 4 Russians at that meeting... (show quote)
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Who were they?

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Jul 20, 2017 13:44:04   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
That is a complete misreading of the statute num-nuts. Depends on who, what , and where. If the statutes read exactly as you are stating (for convenience sake) Hillary and or her campaign operatives would be in jail. It is well documented that the Ukrainian operative's offered information detrimental to the Trump campaign. They met, they talked. I am not saying that meeting was criminal. Collusion has to do mostly with price fixing. To get Hillary, Trump, or junior you would have to prove Criminal Conspiracy. First there must be a crime and second there must be conspiracy. The reason no one takes you guys serious is you want to call something criminal only when the other side does it. The Law's not supposed to work that way.
PeterS wrote:
Do you come out of your hole very much? You can't take contributions from foreign sources. The exchange of information is considered a political contribution. If nothing else Manifort would have known this yet he clearly thought the information more important than any campaign laws that might be broken!!!

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