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May 26, 2017 15:42:34   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
mouset783 wrote:
I just spent 4 days in the hospital and the bill was over $20,000.00. If that was questioned it would go along way to reduce health care costs. Actually that was what Medicare paid. I can't imagine what the real bill was.


Was it Part A of your Medicare? If I may ask, were you in IC or ? Because for Medicare Part A to pay that much it was a huge bill. Probably in the $200,000 range. If it was a reimbursement for what Medicare Advantage paid, it was that high because Medicare Advantage is private INSURANCE and they get a HIGHER reimbursement from the government than regular Medicare Part A. THAT is another ripoff to the taxpayers by private, for profit INSURANCE corporations. But see, that is where the shills and parrots for private, for profit health INSURANCE have undue influence over the monkey politicians in DC. Federal Government is run by corporations and sream against single payer Medicare for All. It would end their SCAM.

My Dad spent 1 afternoon, evening, night and morning (got out around 3:00pm the next day ??) after he had a 1.5 hour stents put in and his Medicare Part A paid the hospital $7800+ on an $87,000+ bill. He was never billed anything.

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May 26, 2017 15:50:10   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
buffalo wrote:
Was it Part A of your Medicare? If I may ask, were you in IC or ? Because for Medicare Part A to pay that much it was a huge bill. Probably in the $200,000 range. If it was a reimbursement for what Medicare Advantage paid, it was that high because Medicare Advantage is private INSURANCE and they get a HIGHER reimbursement from the government than regular Medicare Part A. THAT is another ripoff to the taxpayers by private, for profit INSURANCE corporations. But see, that is where the shills and parrotfind a mistake in a hospital bills for private, for profit health INSURANCE have undue influence over the monkey politicians in DC. Federal Government is run by corporations and sream against single payer Medicare for All. It would end their SCAM.
Was it Part A of your Medicare? If I may ask, were... (show quote)


It was part A and an HMO in contract with Medicare. Before I retired the company I worked for offered us $500.00 if we could could find a mistake on a hospital bill. I obtained one for my wife and one thing that stood out was 12 pair of surgical gloves.How I could I prove this one way or another. Common aspirin have at least 15 letters in their name at $ 5.00 each.

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May 26, 2017 15:54:08   #
Carol Kelly
 
EmilyStrode wrote:
Cover everyone is the only way. Thank you.


Except when you are paying so much for that insurance to cover others you can't afford to see a doctor yourself. What does that sound like to you? Abuse?

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May 26, 2017 16:12:10   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Except when you are paying so much for that insurance to cover others you can't afford to see a doctor yourself. What does that sound like to you? Abuse?


Sounds like your caught in the scam that is private, for profit health INSURANCE. Not only high premiums but co-pays and deductibles that are designed to prevent its use. While you also pay taxes for others to get medical CARE. Under a single payer Medicare for All system that would not be the case.

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May 26, 2017 16:21:10   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
mouset783 wrote:
It was part A and an HMO in contract with Medicare. Before I retired the company I worked for offered us $500.00 if we could could find a mistake on a hospital bill. I obtained one for my wife and one thing that stood out was 12 pair of surgical gloves.How I could I prove this one way or another. Common aspirin have at least 15 letters in their name at $ 5.00 each.


They intentionally inflate prices to increase reimbursement rates but then also write off that difference as a loss on their tax returns and reduce their tax liability. Win, win situation for them.

Medical costs got high when corporations started controlling the medical CARE system and its prices and billing. We no longer have any true "community" hospitals that are truly locally owned and controlled. Hence, almost extinct is the family private practioner.

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May 26, 2017 17:03:11   #
PeterS
 
kenvrla wrote:
No one dies.in this country for.lack of health care. The hospitals have to treat anyone who needs it. When you folks who think legislated health care is a right can figure out how to pay for it, then I may listen. Bleeding-heart logic quit working for me many years ago.


Emergency rooms don't do preemptive care and if you need follow up treatment--well, you can't go to the emergency room to get it so what's your choice if not to die?

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May 26, 2017 17:06:54   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
PeterS wrote:
Emergency rooms don't do preemptive care and if you need follow up treatment--well, you can't go to the emergency room to get it so what's your choice if not to die?


It appears you said "something" for a change however it is not really obvious what it was.

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May 26, 2017 17:36:23   #
bahmer
 
JFlorio wrote:
It's been debated on OPP many times. Most of us want everyone to have healthcare and or access too. The big question is how to cover everyone without breaking the bank. Many, such as myself want to see healthcare costs go down due to competition. Sounds easy but it's not. For costs to decrease we would need to start at ground level. Medical school. My biggest pet peeve with the industry is transparency. Costs are hidden. We go to the hospital or doctor and never see a cost for a good or service. What other industry does that? Many on OPP want single payer. Government run. I believe it would break the bank, increase substantially, waiting times, decrease the number of doctors, and eventually have too ration care.
It's been debated on OPP many times. Most of us wa... (show quote)


OK going from where you are at here and adding limiting malpractice claims to something more reasonable. Number one the average person working a standard job is not going to be earning 300 million in a lifetime and therefore gifting an individual that amount for a small amount of pain and discomfort is absurd. Even the loss of an individuals life it is not a reasonable settlement as far as I am concerned. I understand that no amount of money will bring them back and I believe in appropriate punishments to the individuals involved but not to the ridicules tunes of some of these lawsuits either. I have lost a son at nineteen and a wife of 43 years of marriage so I have experienced loss.

Maybe if the doctors started posting their fees for various services we could pick and choose from those lists. They used to go by that in the old day and they earned their reputation by their patients. That reputation spread by word of mouth.

I also know of some services that are provided by independent groups like MRI's and PET scans at a fraction of the cost that hospitals charge and you get your results the same day. Check with your doctor if this service is acceptable to him and if not why not. Shop around. We have become locked into our HMO's and those HMO's are usually linked to a hospital which means that the hospital and big Pharma split the profits at your expense. I don't know if the government can split that grand party up and help the little guy or not.

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May 26, 2017 17:53:23   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
bahmer wrote:
OK going from where you are at here and adding limiting malpractice claims to something more reasonable. Number one the average person working a standard job is not going to be earning 300 million in a lifetime and therefore gifting an individual that amount for a small amount of pain and discomfort is absurd. Even the loss of an individuals life it is not a reasonable settlement as far as I am concerned. I understand that no amount of money will bring them back and I believe in appropriate punishments to the individuals involved but not to the ridicules tunes of some of these lawsuits either. I have lost a son at nineteen and a wife of 43 years of marriage so I have experienced loss.

Maybe if the doctors started posting their fees for various services we could pick and choose from those lists. They used to go by that in the old day and they earned their reputation by their patients. That reputation spread by word of mouth.

I also know of some services that are provided by independent groups like MRI's and PET scans at a fraction of the cost that hospitals charge and you get your results the same day. Check with your doctor if this service is acceptable to him and if not why not. Shop around. We have become locked into our HMO's and those HMO's are usually linked to a hospital which means that the hospital and big Pharma split the profits at your expense. I don't know if the government can split that grand party up and help the little guy or not.
OK going from where you are at here and adding lim... (show quote)


My doctor brother calls it the corporatization of the medical system. Corporations now, not only control the INSURANCE of medical CARE, they now own and control most hospitals, the delivery of medical CARE, even ones that used to be community institutions and HMO's. Doctors are, and have been for some time now, leaving private practices to become salaried "hospitalists".

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May 26, 2017 18:16:31   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
EmilyStrode wrote:
Thank you. A very thoughtful and insightful response.


I still believe that each state needs to have it own . Each town should have clinics and the state increase medicaid this for low income and people not cover because of their jobs ,seniors that need extra coverage. Everyone else should be covered by their jobs. THIS means it stays in each states control and isnt so hard to control and get out of hand.People with speacial needs trump is right it needs to be separate to have pre condition or speacial need tacked on to regular insurance jacks rates up for others who do not need special care. I'm one with pre existing condition right now I can still work but its getting harder my kids are pushing for diability. When I was on Obama care they went from 275 a month for a really good insurance and in less then 5 months upped it to 475 a month so I had to drop it and go back to work for the insurance Now they are making me pay beck the tax rebate of 1600.00 Nice

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May 26, 2017 18:34:55   #
bahmer
 
buffalo wrote:
My doctor brother calls it the corporatization of the medical system. Corporations now, not only control the INSURANCE of medical CARE, they now own and control most hospitals, the delivery of medical CARE, even ones that used to be community institutions and HMO's. Doctors are, and have been for some time now, leaving private practices to become salaried "hospitalists".


Part of the reasoning behind this is that doctors cannot afford their medical insurance for malpractice insurance. This way if they join a hospital staff the hospital picks up that malpractice insurance for the doctor who then has to practice at that hospital alone. He cannot go into private practice unless he leaves the hospital and starts his own practice. Most of the doctors do not have the incentive to start their own medical practice. It really is costly to start their own practice when you break it down. Either purchasing or renting a building to house your practice, renting or purchasing the equipment for the exam rooms. renting equipment for the front office hiring a receptionist as well as nurses. Paying insurance on all of the employees and on and on it goes. costly very very costly to say the least and a doctor or surgeon could conceivable go through half a year or even more before breaking even let alone making anything for himself and his family. Not a decision to be taken lightly for sure.

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May 26, 2017 20:25:20   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
JFlorio wrote:
It's been debated on OPP many times. Most of us want everyone to have healthcare and or access too. The big question is how to cover everyone without breaking the bank. Many, such as myself want to see healthcare costs go down due to competition. Sounds easy but it's not. For costs to decrease we would need to start at ground level. Medical school. My biggest pet peeve with the industry is transparency. Costs are hidden. We go to the hospital or doctor and never see a cost for a good or service. What other industry does that? Many on OPP want single payer. Government run. I believe it would break the bank, increase substantially, waiting times, decrease the number of doctors, and eventually have too ration care.
It's been debated on OPP many times. Most of us wa... (show quote)

When you speak of those who can not afford health insurance., many of them smoke and drink which they chose to do rather than buy insurance. Let them need medical treatment and we hear they can not afford it. BS!

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May 26, 2017 20:53:48   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Exactly my problem with single payer. Why should I subsidize someone else when they don't care about their own health?
Cherokee38 wrote:
When you speak of those who can not afford health insurance., many of them smoke and drink which they chose to do rather than buy insurance. Let them need medical treatment and we hear they can not afford it. BS!

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May 26, 2017 20:55:49   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
When you speak of those who can not afford health insurance., many of them smoke and drink which they chose to do rather than buy insurance. Let them need medical treatment and we hear they can not afford it. BS!



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May 26, 2017 21:02:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I told a young couple the other day who have two little children below eight years old they should by life Insurance policies on themselves to protect their family. They are young so the cost is low. Each could have decent coverage for about $100/month. They both work, but neither make over $20,000 a year. They said there was no way they could afford it. I made them sit down and see what they spend a month on cigarettes' and beer. Both smoke. Only he drinks. Over $300 a month. It's all about priorities. This family also gets their medical paid for by Medicaid because they are below some monetary level. Meanwhile I don't smoke. Workout five days a week. Drink in moderation and I pay my own expensive health insurance and subsidize people like them.
Cherokee38 wrote:
When you speak of those who can not afford health insurance., many of them smoke and drink which they chose to do rather than buy insurance. Let them need medical treatment and we hear they can not afford it. BS!

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