Abortion is a non-issue for Christians, a totally made up sham by the Moral Majority for power and influence (Page 8): You are accusing Trump of being like Hillary and Obama, who...

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

PeterS wrote:

If they truly cared about children it would be one... (show quote)

You are accusing Trump of being like Hillary and Obama, who pretended to support traditional marriage until it was politically advantageous for them to stop.

Perhaps Trump is doing the same with abortion. I don't know. I don't think he's above it, but I don't know his mind.

But perhaps Trump did have a pro-life epiphany. I had such an epiphany while viewing the ultrasound of my first child. I was pro-abortion that morning, and pro-life that afternoon.

PeterS

Super Dave wrote:

No, you shouldn't.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of God.

It's not too late to learn.

It would do you a lot of good, not only save your soul, but elevate your life from the it's current lowly existence of a hate-monger.

So are you Christian hate mongers of any higher status then the rest of us? And I am well aware of the concept of god--man has created so many of them it's hard not to eventually become aware...

PeterS

Super Dave wrote:

You are accusing Trump of being like Hillary and Obama, who pretended to support traditional marriage until it was politically advantageous for them to stop.

Perhaps Trump is doing the same with abortion. I don't know. I don't think he's above it, but I don't know his mind.

But perhaps Trump did have a pro-life epiphany. I had such an epiphany while viewing the ultrasound of my first child. I was pro-abortion that morning, and pro-life that afternoon.

Trump supports whatever is politically expedient. His feeling on marriage and abortion only changed when he realized that his only shot at being president was to play to conservative's. And since only my wives view on abortion is what's relevant, viewing a sonogram had no effect on my views one way or the other. Be it mine or someone else's only a woman has the right to control her body...

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

PeterS wrote:

So are you Christian hate mongers of any higher status then the rest of us? And I am well aware of the concept of god--man has created so many of them it's hard not to eventually become aware...

You are confused.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

PeterS wrote:

Trump supports whatever is politically expedient. His feeling on marriage and abortion only changed when he realized that his only shot at being president was to play to conservative's. And since only my wives view on abortion is what's relevant, viewing a sonogram had no effect on my views one way or the other. Be it mine or someone else's only a woman has the right to control her body...

Viewing your new child had no effect on you? Listening to the heartbeat didn't phase you? You weren't filled with love?

Sux to be you.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Morning Dave. You will never help someone know that doesn't want to know. Rabid atheist's who don't have a clue about the teachings in the Bible would read the Bible, study the Bible, if they actually wanted proof their unbelief is correct. God's ways are not our ways. All the rhetoric about once the baby is born conservatives want nothing to do with them. Just stupid. That's all the left has. Make excuses for any bad behavior, then paint an entire religion as not caring because we want some personal responsibility in this world.

https://bible.org/seriespage/6-god-s-ways-are-not-our-ways

Super Dave wrote:

No, you shouldn't.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of God.

It's not too late to learn.

It would do you a lot of good, not only save your soul, but elevate your life from the it's current lowly existence of a hate-monger.

Morgan

Super Dave wrote:

The reason giving away condoms doesn't work is in part because it's a tacit endorsement of increased sex, which has resulted in a lot of things worse than babies.

If men could have babies and women and to pay for them for 18 years, a lot of women might start insisting on condoms.

Dave the sexual revolution was in the sixty's, we're never gonna go back from that point, it's just not going to happen, to many things have changed socially for men and women, but besides condoms we do have other choices in todays day and age, abortions should only happen when a life is in danger and there aren't any other choices. That would be real birth control.

PeterS

Super Dave wrote:

You are confused.

And how am I confused? Do you think hiding behind Christs shirt tails you CC's are exempted from the hate you spew daily? Nothing that comes out of a liberals mouth is anything more vile then what you Conservative Christians spew constantly. Back to the topic of this thread--the instant a fetus is born you kick them to the curb and expect them to fend for themselves. And guess what--there is no confusion there. You CC POS rail against abortion but then ignore the bigger problem of caring for new generation's of unwanted children. You see something a simple and humane as food and healthcare as harmful (to your pocket) and to be withheld if not for your liberal brothers forcing a conscience on you--and even that you rant and rave against as if helping another human being does more harm to you than the benefit of a government provided meal does for someone else. No, I'm not confused at all Dave--Sadly, I've dealt with you CC POS's for an entire lifetime...

PeterS

Super Dave wrote:

Viewing your new child had no effect on you? Listening to the heartbeat didn't phase you? You weren't filled with love?

Sux to be you.

How does the feeling I have for a fetus trump a woman's right to control her own body? What you forget is that this isn't about you but the responsibility a woman faces when men like you disappear after they realize that the "love" they feel is going to transfer to a lifetime of obligation. Yeah you CC's love to talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk the only thing you are able to do is walk away.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

PeterS wrote:

How does the feeling I have for a fetus trump a woman's right to control her own body? What you forget is that this isn't about you but the responsibility a woman faces when men like you disappear after they realize that the "love" they feel is going to transfer to a lifetime of obligation. Yeah you CC's love to talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk the only thing you are able to do is walk away.

Have you ever known a good father that didn't try to protect his children?

Children are not part of their parent's body. They are individuals.

99% of pregnancies are a direct result of the mother controlling her body. There are loving families ready to adopt children who's mother isn't up to the obligation of following through with her own choices.

You don't know crap about walking the walk because you're OK with having your children pulled apart by an abortionist who sells their parts for extra profit, as opposed to a real man that does everything possible to protect his vulnerable children from harm.

Ve'hoe

So, what YOU are saying is, that if WE dont pay for your mistake,,, YOU will kill it, no matter what it takes????

How did your choice to get knocked up,,, become our monetary problem as well as an object of extortion, in which you "MUST" murder, if we dont do what you want??

Apparently,, it is you who is OK with murder as long as you deem it OK,,not even necessary, since you do not actually DIE from having a child...

Morgan wrote:

I agree with you Dave in everyway especially when ... (show quote)

Ve'hoe

Nor does yours,,, based on your own rules for spelling,,, why would anyone pay attention to you????

Just like the abortion, and murder, "its OK if you do it",,,, but its not.....rules apply to you too,,especially the ones you "judge" others by,,, good christian that you pretend to be!!

Why does the left despise God, then run to him and his word for some sort of proof of their arguments??

Sucks to actually have to adhere to a doctrine,,,,

Dr.Dross wrote:

Have you heard of "passion of the moment"? A crime by passion? A intoxicated encounter challenges the mens rea element by suggesting that there was no malice aforethought. No intent to abort if.... Yet stuff happens. There are endless books on gambling, and how many on vacation in Vegas have read them? Your argument makes no sense.

Ve'hoe

So,,, what consequence are you forced to endure due to any decision of his,,, (conception was mutual unless you were raped)
The man has to pay child support if you decide to keep the child.

Women dont pay child support as a rule,but it is growing,, mostly men,,, and before you try to cite some ridiculous percentage of women paying child support,,,, realize that the chances of death from childbirth,,, (not pregnancy,,,) is minuscule,,, to the point of being ridiculous,,,,, there is more chance of dying from taking aspirin........

In the US yearly (CDC)
Births: 3,978,497
Deaths due to childbirth (not pregnancy) 600 (.015%)
Death by aspirin, ibuprofen and naproxen: 7600.... of ten times that of pregnancy....
Death by abortion: Mothers: 12
Death of Babies in abortions: all of them 906,000 in 2015

Pregnancy due to rape/incest:< .5%

And the number of women paying child support is growing,, as the legal precedence is being set,,,
If you "choose" to keep the baby,,, thats YOUR choice,,,,,, not his necessarily....

Morgan wrote:

Yes for decades, so then tell me what impact have they had on preventing pregnancies? We've sure had a lot of them since they've been around. Maybe we can invent some sort of implant for men, or a pill. I wonder how many men would terminate a pregnancy if they became pregnant, a laughable thought don't you think?

Ve'hoe

Because it isnt just "her body" otherwise why does the law convict you for 2 counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman????

Cant have it both ways liberal dipsh-t

PeterS wrote:

How does the feeling I have for a fetus trump a woman's right to control her own body? What you forget is that this isn't about you but the responsibility a woman faces when men like you disappear after they realize that the "love" they feel is going to transfer to a lifetime of obligation. Yeah you CC's love to talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk the only thing you are able to do is walk away.

Ve'hoe

It is clear, once again,,,, that the bible doesnt need "re-writing" it needs re-reading,,,, that question is clearly covered in there.

PeterS wrote:

Ten to twenty five percent of all pregnancies end ... (show quote)