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Oct 20, 2014 04:26:16   #
Could the outbreak of Ebola and the rapidity of its spread throughout the African continent, (yes, I realize that it has not spread throughout the entire continent), could this be the beginning of the bowl or vial of disease and pestilence mentioned in Revelations? I am new to the actual study of prophecy and while I am not totally ignorant of the Bible, I am sorely lacking.
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Oct 18, 2014 02:31:24   #
Again, it did not state that no one would enter the kingdom of heaven. I said FEW would find it. The BROAD way is the way to destruction and MANY would enter thereat.

Those that follow HaShem's Commandments will enter the kingdom of heaven (the few on the narrow or strict way-interpretation) those who try to find the loopholes to fit their lifestyles (the many on the BROAD way-interpretation).

No where was it stated that no one would enter or that all would perish
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Oct 18, 2014 02:03:31   #
They do apply because that is why Yeshua said FEW there be that find it. and that is why He said NOT ALL who say to Him Lord, lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Because not ALL will be saved. Because not ALL will be willing to abide by His commandments. MANY will seek loopholes as these many posts on the subject have shown.

Even Paul confirms this. 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the t***h, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the t***h, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What is the t***h? That we are to ignore HaShem's commandment not to put others, living, dead, wood, stone or metal before Him? I think not.
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Oct 18, 2014 01:15:17   #
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What I have done was shown you in an interesting way the failures of direct and strict interpretation. In the administration of James Madison, Jefferson and Adams had a problem with the Constitution. What the problem was was strict interpretation and broad interpretation. What we have be arguing here is strict interpretation of the scriptures, which would condemn everyone, or broad interpretation which would free everyone from condemnation. Wisdom tells me it is a balance between the two. This is the maturity that we must seek. And it must come with wisdom. You will be amazed that we both agree on the same object.
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These statements are reminescent of the serpent in Eden and his deception. For the serpent told Eve she shall not surely die.

If broad interpretations free us from condemnation, why then did Yeshua feel the need to warn us of the BROAD gate?
Yeshua said:

[b]Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[/b]


Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Oct 18, 2014 00:37:35   #
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To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be.
And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.
Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever.
And of his kingdom there shall be no end.
And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?
And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
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Let's take a look at the salutation, and I assure you it was simply that—a salutation, a greeting. It would be considered rude to approach someone without an initial greeting of some sort. It was in no way meant to confer “royalty” or “deity” onto the person addressed. HaShem and His messengers were no exception.

In a nutshell, the angel said to Mary, “Hey, Mary, this is your lucky day!”

For example, let us look at the term “found grace.” How many people in the Bible “found grace.” with HaShem? Well, let's see.  Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Hmmm. Noah found grace with HaShem. Exo 33:12 And Moses said unto the LORD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight. Again, we find that Moses has found grace in HaShem's sight. Moses, himself reminds HaShem of that fact. Are we to consider Noah holy and worthy of our petitions for intercession? Well, no. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to “revere” Noah or to venerate Noah. Just as nowhere is it found specifically that Mary or the Apostles were to be venerated or revered as holy. Do we request intercession from Moses? Do we heap praises upon Moses before requesting intercession. No. Again we are told NOWHERE in the Bible to request intercession from anyone other than Yeshua, HaShem Himself in the flesh.

Let's look at the term “blessed.” Being blessed does not confer holiness onto a person. If that were the case, many, many people in the Bible would have to be considered holy, for many, many people in the Bible were blessed. Abraham, was blessed numerous times. Gen 14:18  And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Gen 14:20  And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. Continuing with Abraham,  Gen 18:17  And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?. Hmm, now we find that nations are being blessed through Abraham. Does that place Abraham on the same level with Yeshua? No. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are to venerate Abraham as holy or to pray to or through him for intercession.

And I have noted in a past quote that Yeshua, Himself went to great lengths to avoid any conveyance of holiness or anything that would lead others to believe that Mary or any of His earthly family should be venerated. Yes, Yeshua followed the commandments of HaShem. Yes, He honored His earthly mother and father...BY OBEDIENCE to them. Luke 2:48 When his parents saw him, they were shocked; and his mother said to him, "Son! Why have you done this to us? Your father and I have been terribly worried looking for you!" Luke 2:49 He said to them, "Why did you have to look for me? Didn't you know that I had to be concerning myself with my Father's affairs?" Luke 2:50 But they didn't understand what he meant. Luke 2:51 So he went with them to Natzeret and was obedient to them. But his mother stored up all these things in her heart.

Yeshua gave us a model for PRAYER. Let's look at how Yeshua says we are to pray. That tells us everything we need to know as to HOW we are to approach the throne of HaShem. Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

This defies any suggestion that we are to ask others, dead or alive, saint, prophet, or apostle to intercede on our behalf. We already know that HaShem is a jealous God, He would not abide with us heaping praise on any other being, alive, dead, wood, stone or metal.
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Oct 14, 2014 04:58:11   #
http://dcgazette.com/islam-the-religion-of-rumors-lies-and-sex-crimes-part-1/

I found this article from the DC Gazette, it has some facts that are t***h. However, there are some questionable details. Can anyone help me verify or debunk these details? We know that Muhammad was an illiterate, psychopathic p*******e, and suffered from epileptic seizures. We know that his father died shortly after he was born and his mother died before he was five, leaving Muhammad to be raised by his uncle. We know Muhammad learned the sk**ls of a caravan merchant and married a wealthy widow and took over her deceased husband's caravan business. We know after his wife died, he married a six year old and consummated the marriage when she was nine yrs old. We know that during his epileptic "episodes" his friends, followers, would scribble down what he muttered.

Now here is where there article becomes questionable. These are the statements I would appreciate any validation on. The article says his mutterings were written on wh**ever was handy at the time, leaves, rocks, scraps. The article also states that his child bride's maidservant poisoned Muhammad, dug a hole and buried him covering the grave with rocks and bricks. The article then goes on to say that the child bride then searched for all of the supposed scribblings only to find that most of the writings had been eaten by a goat. I appreciate any help with this issue.
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Oct 12, 2014 05:14:55   #
Yeshua said:

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Oct 10, 2014 08:20:25   #
I need to clarify my last post. I do NOT mean that the New Testament should be thrown out or ignored. My intentions were to show that the addition of all the other writings beyond the Torah was done after the Apostles.

And I DID give more credit to Constantine than he deserved. Although, he did not personally add or decide what books to go into the Bible, he did call for the Council of Nicaea and did have a great amount of influence over the religious scholars and their choices. It was his intention to water down Judaic teachings of the Apostles.

In reality, without Judaism and the Hebrew people's faithful keeping of the details of the Torah, and the Apostles' faithful teachings of Judaism with the Messianic message, we would all still be writhing and wallowing in ignorance of the T***h.

I do not wish to give misleading testimony or to leave doubt as to T***h.
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Oct 10, 2014 07:20:16   #
jetson wrote:
You are so wrong here. The Catholic Bible did not come around until 325 A.D. The KJV in 1611. This Bible was t***slated by 50 scholars from the manuscripts and scrolls that the original Christian Church used. Not the Vulgate.
You are correct. The Apostles including Paul only had the Torah (Genesis-Deuteronomy) and Tanahk (Joshua- Malachi) to teach from. The Apostles never intended their letters of encouragement to their followers or their oral teachings to be interpreted as scripture. When they spoke of the Holy Scriptures they were referring to the actual scriptures from the Torah and Tanahk.

The rest were the result of Constantine's desire to blend the pagan with the Christian in order to make the t***sition from paganism more appealing. Totally ignoring the commandments about idolatry and adding to HaShem's Word.
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Oct 8, 2014 09:22:16   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church dates back to the time of Christ.


"Christian history begins with the life and death of Jesus Christ and continues with the formation of the early Christian church, Emperor Constantine's Holy Roman Empire and the great schism into Eastern and Western Christianity." http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/history_1.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity
there are plenty more where those came from.

I must say that statement is false. And when Christ walked the earth Rome was worshiping idols. The Emperor, himself was both emperor and high priest of Jupiter. The Apostles including Paul fought strongly against this paganism. Their converts came from pagan backgrounds. Acts chapter 17, shows Paul once again teaching from scripture, which I assure you, was NOT the Catholic Bible, or any Letter that just suddenly appeared.

In Matthew Chapter 16, we find Yeshua asking whom men say He was. his disciples answer with the names of various prophets. Yeshua then asks them whom they say He is, Peter says that He, Yeshua was the Messiah. Yeshua blessed Peter and pointed out that HaShem had revealed to Peter that Yeshua was the Messiah. Yeshua then tells Peter that He knows him by name and then declares that His church would in fact be built upon the very foundation of that PRINCIPLE (the rock) that Yeshua was the Messiah.
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Oct 8, 2014 01:48:46   #
Let me first of all say that I was taught from childhood there was but ONE God and that to Him alone I should turn to and put my faith in. I have read the Bible many times and have questioned many teachings even in my childhood that did NOT match up to THE HOLY WORD. I refused and still refuse to take anything at face value or to simply accept what I am told simply because someone in authority tells me it is so or because one has more experience or knowledge of a subject than I do. Trust me, even Rainrider, for whom I have great respect, will tell you that I have questioned his teachings from time to time. And, as with you, he told me to back it with book, chapter and verse from the Holy Word. There were occasions I found the backing I sought but more often than not I discovered it was something I learned from some church leader, pastor or what have you that had misquoted the Holy Word or twisted it out of context to fit their doctrine.

You are not the first person to condemn me as a lost soul for this reason. You stated that my faith in Yeshua was lacking because I refused to recognize Mary as anything other than a righteous woman who happened to be blessed by HaShem to give birth to the Savior, Messiah. I have great respect for Mary and all those who actually walked with and talked with Yeshua. They were blessed beyond anything we will ever see in our lifetime. I will show you that my faith is not lacking.

2Ti 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

What holy scriptures was Paul referring to here? He did not have the “Catholic Bible”, Catechisms, or even the “True Letter of Jesus” to refer to as holy scripture. Those were added later by mandates of man. Yeshua, Himself condemned that action, In Matthew 15:3-9 Yeshua called such as create their own commandments, HYPOCRITES. “Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also t***sgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Mat 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”

Timothy was Hebrew from birth as was Paul. Paul was referring to the Torah (the first five books of the bible or the Laws of Moses) and the Tanahk (the writings which included all the rest of the Old Testament as we have in our Bible today.) Using these same scriptures that Paul and the other Apostles had at their disposal as well as the writings of those same Apostles, I will show that to worship and or pray to Mary or any other dead saint for intercession is in fact against HaShem's commandments.

Back up to the previous quote from 2Timothy 3:15. My faith is in Yeshua alone, and does not depend upon my prayers/adoration to his mother which He, Himself went to great pains to avoid any connotation that might set her up as being above anyone else.

In Matthew 12, we find that Yeshua is at the temple among the Sanhedrin.
He, without any room for doubt, lets all those around Him know that His family, including His mother, is in no way above anyone else. "Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." You will find this exact same event recorded in Mark 3:32. That would be a “two witness event.”

Then in John 2, we find Yeshua's first miracle, the wedding at Cana event. The festivities had run out of wine, Yeshua had shown up at the festivities, His mother saw him and asked Him to fix the situation. This is HOW He responded. “Jhn 2:3-4  And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.” Again, we see that Yeshua, without disrespecting His mother, lets her and others know that she is not above anyone else.

Moving on to praying to someone other than Yeshua, I will repeat the passage of scripture that leaves no room for doubt as to who is the Intercessor. “Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the t***h, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” I can find nowhere that it says, “no man comes to the Father but by me, and no man comes to me but by Mary, my mother.” Throughout the entire Bible, idolatry is constantly being battled and taught against. With as many times as HaShem speaks against idolatry and graven images, you would think it was a very important item. Yeshua, being HaShem in the flesh is no different. He said, "Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Well, I believe that says, the commandment about the graven images and bowing before them was pretty serious business. To teach others to pray to a graven images appears to be a big deal. I am going to give several scriptures to verify that idol worship, whether you call them, gods, demigods or saints, is a big no-no.

“Exo 20:4  Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or **any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:** Exo 20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that h**e me;”

“Jer 10:14 Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.” “Jer 25:6  And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.”

Given that we are told to test the spirits, “1Jo 4:1     Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

If HaShem tells us He doesn't change, (Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.) and Paul tells us in Hebrews that Yeshua doesn't change, (Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.) and HaShem tells us He is a jealous God and therefore NOT to bow down to any likeness, then why logically would He send apparitions or even appear Himself, and tell a person something so very much in contrast to what He has already spoken firmly about many many times? Here again I must quote Matthew. "Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

Until Yeshua returns, all has NOT been fulfilled. Therefore, the ordinances against idol worship, which is prayer to, homage to an image or spirit of anything living or dead, remain effective.
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Oct 5, 2014 00:21:42   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
I told you, you and I will not agree on the mystery of Mary, because for every siting you come up to combat me, I can come up to combat you. So let's leave the Mary thing alone Agreed?

The last thing I will say, is that it is a fact that Jesus was born of Mary. Since this is true, and new evidence was just reported that the DNA of a child remains in the mother for the entire life of the mother. That makes Mary the Ark of the New Covenant. Therefore the Ark of the Old Covenant was replaced. Do we at least agree on this analogy?
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And my uncle was a monkey, well that could be debatable. More like an orangutan, long arms, round belly and all, we all know the type. Anyway, I like fantasy as much as the next fanatic. Let's just say for moment I buy into the DNA of the child staying with mommy. Kind of hard to swallow considering a mother can have 14 children and that would mean all 14 kids' DNA remains clogging up poor mommy's uterus. Guess that could explain uteran/ovarian cancer. Anyway, as Metallica would say, "...take my hand, we're off to Never-Never Land..."

First, there would be no need for a physical Ark for the new Covenant. "Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:" "Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." If the new covenant is within their hearts, there would be no need for any other physical vessel to house the covenant.

Second, the Ark of the Covenant was a holy object totally untouchable by mortal hands. Don't believe me? Ask the guy who tried to save it from falling during t***sportation. Oh, wait. That guy died when his hand touched the ark. "1Ch 13:9 But when they arrived at the threshing floor of Nacon, the oxen stumbled, and Uzzah reached out his hand to steady the Ark. 1Ch 13:10 Then the LORD’s anger was aroused against Uzzah, and he struck him dead because he had laid his hand on the Ark. So Uzzah died there in the presence of God." .

So, with that being said, Mary would not be the Ark of Any Covenant with HaShem. With your own words you showed that Joseph took his wife. "Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

Let's ride further in to Never-Never Land. What does it mean for a man to take a woman unto himself? Let's face it, the Bible is NOT a pornographic book or a steamy soft porn romance novel. It is not going to spell out detail for detail what goes on in a man's tent with his woman. Well, I guess that would depend on the t***slation, because I have read some pretty graphic t***slations of certain book, chapter and verses, but that is a different voyage best not taken.
But for enlightenment, let's take a look at Isaac and his new bride, Rebekkah.

Abraham had sent his servant with an oath to bring back the perfect bride for his promised son. The servant comes back with the first woman that speaks to him and offers him a drink from the well he was sitting on/beside, wh**ever. What is the first thing Isaac does when she is presented to him?
"Gen 24:67 And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death."

According to Genesis 24:67, taking Rebekah as his wife meant that he did the wild thang with her in his mother's tent. Ah, but that was wanted physical contact. With that said, the angel basically gave Joseph permission to have his carnal way with his WIFE, Mary. That means the vessel you call the Ark of the New Covenant just became defiled. Therefore no longer qualified to be a holy vessel.

If Yeshua firmly states that He did not come to destroy the law, and that the law would remain until the end of the world, "Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Then it would be logical to say that the laws of contamination were still in effect at the time Joseph took Mary as his wife.

So, with the whole carnal thing going on, and production of other children, whose DNA, according to your statement, would also be floating around inside Mary throughout the rest of her life, she would no longer be qualified as a holy vessel.

The biblical fact remains, it says "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" not "the Father, the Son and the Holy Mother."

Yeshua said, in Jhn 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the t***h, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." He did not say "but you gotta ask my mom first, cuz she's like the queen of heaven and the Ark of the New Covenant and all."
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Oct 3, 2014 22:13:11   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
I do have to say that the RCC will be involved with the anti-Christ but the true followers of the RCC will thus break away and that will form the beast that I do agree with.

You may have a point. Perhaps the RCC would be involved with the Anti-Christ through the Pope's insistence that Islam is a peaceful religion that should be tolerated. Thereby causing many Christians to be deceived at the time of the rise of the Anti-Christ.
Perhaps the RCC will be involved with the Anti-Christ by being responsible for the making of the image of the beast that will be demanded that all the world worship. Idolatry is widely taught within their doctrine.
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Oct 3, 2014 22:04:50   #
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Oct 3, 2014 20:56:38   #
Rainrider wrote:
Thats it in a nut shell. It is hard for me to simplify things due in part to my education. I am use to dealing with others that have a similar back ground, and there for things must be made clear, and backed by more than one witness. that is why I ask for Book Chapter and verse. As they are our witness. Thank you for understanding me and helping to make clear my intent.



Aww shucks! And you say I have a problem summarizing things.
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