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Apr 16, 2015 12:02:26   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
[Notuote=robert66]I am not only referencing Christianity but other religions as well. I've seen many depictions of angels flying around in Christian publications. Some interpret occurences in end times as people rise to the heavens. Just as you specifically may have your own ideas as presented at your place of worship so do others at theirs. I've been to many different churches and nearly all have their own unique slant. Try Latter Day Saints. They believe the crazy stuff about planets and buried golden tablets. You may say they are wrong but why would they be wrong and you are right ? For that matter why be monotheistic when you could practice a religion with multiple gods ? Why are they wrong or is there a way they coexist within your beliefs ? Muslims believe much of the same stuff as Christians. Are they wrong or right ? Will they go to hell and you to heaven? Their God is the same as yours yet they get a different message. Every one of the religions think they are right so if God is so great why does he allow this ? Is it the free will excuse ?
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First I believe the bible to be the word of god. The latter day saints, Jw's, islam surround their beliefs or are polarized around one man's beliefs and interpretations.

For those that believe the bible. During the tribulation the church is absent. The Christians go somewhere, and a God that created the universe would not be challenged in snatching his church away.
I believe there are a great number "billion ++" calling themselves Christians, and the actual number of those following and living for the Lord "genuine Christians" a fraction of the billion ++.
I am familiar with he artist rendering of angles flying and people rising from Earth, that you refer to. First Robert, you would need to understand and believe what the Bible has to say on the subject. (Not meant to offend) then you would understand God makes a way for believers to escape the greatest judgements ever on mankind, the tribulation. The rapture is not a new concept, the word comes from the Greek word raptus, meeting to snatching away with force, instantly, caught up or snatched away became termed rapture and the word rapture became a popular word in the 1830s, but again the belief was in the earlier chuck during the time of Paul the Apostle[/quote]

I get your drift. You believe in your bible and think it is the t***h , the way to everlasting life. Other religions and their followers think theirs is the way , the light , the path to everlasting life. If their heart is in the right place even if they don't believe as you , will they be punished in Hell ? There have been hundreds of other religions besides Christianity and even many twists on Christianity itself. Why are they wrong and you are right ?
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Apr 16, 2015 11:49:24   #
ninetogo wrote:
Wayne Allen Root attended Columbia University, at the same time that Obama was reported to attend this school and acknowledges that no one in the Political Science department knew or could remember Obama's presence at the school. Since his time at Columbia, WAR has become a highly paid consultant in 'Branding'. He drafted an article on Hillary that puts the Republicans in the drivers seat for the upcoming 2016 e******n cycle; Hillary is a complete liability to the Democrat Party, as too many questionable ventures surround her career. Read and enjoy.

Hillary is "the one." She is our gift from God. Mana from Heaven. The gift that keeps on giving. Conservatives should get down on their knees and thank God for Hillary.

Okay, enough thanking and praying. Now let's destroy her.

I speak at business conferences all over the world about my expertise- branding. The GOP has the greatest branding opportunity in modern history. Hillary is easier to brand than even Mitt Romney was for Democrats.

Destroy Hillary now and it leaves Democrats between a rock and a hard place. Here's how to brand Hillary. This will be fun. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Hillary makes this job a joy!

Hillary should be branded with the name "TRICKY DICKY HILLARY." She is a Nixon clone. A protege. She learned well from ole "Tricky Dicky."

Let's make sure America understands the Nixon connection. Hillary was a lawyer on the committee investigating Nixon’s scandals. She knew all about the erased Nixon audiotapes. She learned well. That must be where she got the idea to delete 32,000 emails and wipe the server clean. Like Nixon, she decided what we the people had a right to know. Then she pressed “delete.” That's the first TV ad to run 24 hours a day.

Why did she delete 32,000 emails? What she afraid of. There's the million dollar question. My guess is she was petrified of four dead American bodies at B******i. Then there was the cover-up of the four murders. Destroy her with her own words, “What difference does it make?” Those were Hillary's words in front of a Congressional committee about the B******i tragedy. Four heroes were murdered. She participated in a cover-up and all she could think to say was, “What difference does it make?” Meaning those young heroes are all dead, so who cares?

Her own TV ads in 2008 bragged about her decision-making abilities at 2 AM when the important call comes in. Well we now know what she said when that call came in during the attack on B******i. She heard our heroes were about to be murdered and she said, “What difference does it make?” Then she went back to sleep.

I suggest TV ad campaigns featuring the parents of those four men abandoned by Hillary and Obama and left to die at the hands of a radical Muslim mob. Who supplied the arms? America? Under Hillary's direction? Why wasn't more security provided? Why wasn't a rescue ordered? Who was involved in the coverup? Let’s ask the parents of those four dead Americans how they feel about Hillary. Put their answers on a TV commercial 24 hours a day.

Then let's use Hillary's own words to ask a crucial question: "What difference did Hillary make as Secretary of State?" Name her accomplishments? The world was in flames, the Middle East melted down, ISIS was born, Iran laughed in our face as they built a nuclear program- all under her leadership. True she flew around the world. Bravo. But the results are devastating. The world is a far more dangerous place. What difference did she make?

“We were dead broke when we left the White House.” There’s another great line straight from Hillary's mouth. I'm guessing she believed it at the time. She was desperate for money. Maybe that’s why the Clintons stole the china and furniture on the way out the White House door. Maybe that’s why $6 billion went missing at the State Department under her watch. When you’re broke, $6 billion can make a big difference. Play that TV ad 24 hours a day.

Hillary says she is a “woman of the people.” She’s one of us. But she hasn’t driven a car since 1995. Picture a TV ad with chauffeurs driving Miss Hillary. Be sure they are identified as the leaders of the same Muslim nations that gave millions in donations to her Clinton Foundation. Run that TV ad 24 hours a day.

Hillary is all about the middle class. She has decided to make the middle class the centerpiece of her campaign for president. But “Mrs. Middle Class” demands $300,000 for a one-hour speech and a Gulfstream private jet to take her there and back.

She also gets the P**********l Suite at a 5 star hotel, or she won’t show up. No Marr**ts, Hiltons or Holiday Inns for Hillary. Run that story on TV ads 24 hours a day. Let’s see how middle class women respond to her list of demands.

Hillary is all about honesty and t***sparency. But it turns out she bought 2 million f**e Facebook fans. I guess those are the things you have to do when you ask middle class college kids paying obscene tuition to pay for your $300,000 speeches and private jets. It must be hard to find real fans! Run that story in a TV ad 24 hours a day.

Now back to the main course: The Clinton Foundation. The Clintons have raised over $2 billion dollars in donations from the wealthiest people, companies and foreign governments in the world. Hillary's not “conflicted.” Rather she is completely 100% bought and paid for. If she wins the Presidency she should wear pantsuits custom designed with patches from corporate sponsors. You know like NASCAR. She should have Penske and Valvoline patches on her pantsuits. The White House should say “America’s House, Brought to you by the government of Saudi Arabia.”

Hillary says she fights for the rights of women…yet she accepts hundreds of millions in donations from Muslim governments that stone women…make them hide behind veils…don’t allow them to drive without a man in the car…don’t allow them to be educated…and arrest and whip them (occasionally even execute them) for being the victims of rape. She could be the biggest hypocrite in the history of politics.

Here’s a great line for TV commercials: “When a Muslim country gives a $10 million check to The Clinton Foundation…then stones a woman to death…what does Hillary say? "THANK YOU." Run that TV ad 24 hours a day.

Hillary says she fights for the rights of gays. She tweeted her disgust at the new Indiana law protecting religious freedom. But she gladly accepted multi-million dollar checks from Muslim governments that stone gays and drop them off roofs of buildings. This is the biggest sellout in the history of world politics.Run that TV ad 24 hours a day.

Remember Hillary’s TV commercial about that important phone call at 2 AM. We need to run TV ads asking, “When that call comes in at 2 AM, and it involves one of those countries that gave millions to the Clinton Foundation, do you trust Hillary Clinton to make the decision that is best for America…for taxpayers…for your children? Hillary Clinton- bought and paid for by foreign governments.”Run that TV ad 24 hours a day.

Run all of those diverse TV ads 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, starting N-O-W. Brand and define Hillary long before the e******n.

That puts Democrats in a very difficult, if not impossible position. Do they nominate this deeply flawed, walking billboard of corruption and hypocrisy? Do they run for President with a standard bearer that has been morphed into Richard Nixon? Or do they dump her for an unknown? If they dump her, is there time to raise the money for a complete unknown? Will there be any money left after Hillary has sucked Democrat donors dry? Is there time to vet the replacement candidate for flaws? Is there time to introduce the new candidate to American v**ers and still win the e******n?

Democrats have put all their eggs in one tired, worn out, entitled Pinata. It's time to start whacking away at Tricky Dicky Hillary.

This is going to be fun!
Wayne Allen Root attended Columbia University, at ... (show quote)


You're full of s**t.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:30:51   #
LAPhil wrote:
TOUGH! It's not the employer's responsibility to be Daddy or Mommy to his employees and to make sure their needs are taken care of. If we want to give them a safety net then it makes more sense to have the government take care of it because then it's not all on the back of a business which in many cases consists of just one person. Another point stubborn liberals refuse to acknowledge.


I'm talking common sense here. If you want to know why there should be a minimum wage I am pointing out one reason why. So I get the idea that welfare is OK with you. An employee provides a service to an employer which he then is paid for. You act like someone "gives" another a job.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:25:08   #
Theo wrote:
It will be easier to follow a thread if you will use the little "quote Reply" button at the bottom of the post to which you are responding. I have no idea to whom this post is in response.


Sometimes when I reply the original comments are removed.
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Apr 15, 2015 17:05:33   #
dennisimoto wrote:
Exactly. Gray Chevrolet in Port Orchard doesn't pay the H.S. kid who sweeps the floor the same hourly wage as they pay their top mechanics. The trouble with the Libs is that they're willing to flip burgers after earning a college degree but think they should be paid a "living wage" for doing so. And don't even think of saying that burger flipping is all that's out there to do after Kevyn, Raylan and KHH1 have told us over and over how wonderful Obama's economy is doing and how the unemployment rate is at 5.5%. It'd just break their little hearts to hear that.
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If they are not paid a living wage then they will end up receiving government assistance to live. The business is then the one creating the welfare problem.
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Apr 15, 2015 14:49:42   #
LAPhil wrote:
And there's also a supply and demand factor here. If an employer needs a few highly sk**led workers he will most likely be willing them a higher wage than for a low-sk**led job for which workers may be a dime a dozen. Another fact of economics which liberals continually refuse to acknowledge.


If you cannot pay a minimum wage then you are not a viable business because employees will then turn to government assistance for food and shelter thereby putting more burden on those who earn more to pay higher taxes. Minimum wage is based on the lowest amount you can be paid and exist on your own. Free market only works with some regulation and this is one that is necessary. Things are not as simple as some old farts like to spout off about.
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Apr 15, 2015 11:14:08   #
You only keep referencing scripture as if the bible you believe in is some kind of authority over all others and accepted by mankind as so. It is not so. If someone says your book is baloney , debating by using quotes from that book is senseless. You are trapped in a world that considers nothing or no one else, just your narrow view. You are indoctrinated to the point of believing more in what is very questionable over that which is very obvious. Still God is not on the news this morning broadcasting his t***h , but Matt Lauer is on the news , reporting current events. If I thought Matt was made up and not real I could go and try to meet him and at the very least could see him with my own two eyes and at best shake his hand and converse , face to face , no imagination required. Spirituality is valuable as long as it does not take the place of reality.
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Apr 15, 2015 10:07:22   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
I am not aware of anywhere a christian gets their own planet, virgins, flying around, k*****g others, or suicide. These statements clarify you have absolutely no understanding of the bible, or christians. Perhaps first grasp an understanding of the bible (reading), know (not guess) what it means to be a christian. Then and only then can you honestly debate what are, or are not t***hs.


I am not only referencing Christianity but other religions as well. I've seen many depictions of angels flying around in Christian publications. Some interpret occurences in end times as people rise to the heavens. Just as you specifically may have your own ideas as presented at your place of worship so do others at theirs. I've been to many different churches and nearly all have their own unique slant. Try Latter Day Saints. They believe the crazy stuff about planets and buried golden tablets. You may say they are wrong but why would they be wrong and you are right ? For that matter why be monotheistic when you could practice a religion with multiple gods ? Why are they wrong or is there a way they coexist within your beliefs ? Muslims believe much of the same stuff as Christians. Are they wrong or right ? Will they go to hell and you to heaven? Their God is the same as yours yet they get a different message. Every one of the religions think they are right so if God is so great why does he allow this ? Is it the free will excuse ?
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Apr 14, 2015 23:37:37   #
Theo wrote:
If that were true, they would not go to doctors either. Nor would they listen to teachers, or work for bosses. It is not religion that causes so much hurt and confusion, it is scholars vying for control. Just like some teachers will follow their own private agenda, and some bosses will nearly destroy a business over petty stuff.

Religion is simply an effort to bring out the best in our fellow men, based upon a standard of behaviour just a tad higher than we design for ourselves; and based upon the possibility there is a benevolent higher power overseeing it all.

And as we continue to pursue this benevolent higher power, based upon claims provided by Him, and evidence for our consideration, some believe, some do not. Because it is based upon Faith.

Faith is simply a position that states, "There is enough evidence for me to consider the possibility that it is real." Unbelief is a position that states" I have not seen enough evidence for me to consider the possibility to be real, that a benevolent higher power exists.

So, it really comes down to two things, the fact we do not have the same experiences, educations, ambitions, exposures to situations that lead to conclusions not shared by all, and really a whole bunch of other considerations of things that make us different.

Belief is usually a result of evidence assessed by people, discussed for clarity, and consensus reached as to veracity, based upon our own personality and experience.

Doesn't make it true. Doesn't make it false. Makes us different. No "Smug," no "Superior," no looking down the nose at one who doesn't say it like I say it or believe it like I believe it. Just an alternate approach and assessment of evidence.
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Well written response. Unfortunately many believers in the public eye do not seem to adhere to what I view as the beneficial aspects of Christianity.
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Apr 14, 2015 22:14:50   #
Theo wrote:
Well, most certainly, if your assessment had any chance of being correct. When I am able to convince another of the t***hs contained in scripture, I do not gain control over them, they gain true freedom from all men who would teach to gain control. T***h sets free, it does not control.


You do appear somewhat smug in your opinion of others that know God is a made up thing, an image of your imagination. What you believers have a hard time understanding is that the doubters, as you would see them, are not empty or lacking direction. Their belief is as strong as yours and where the real difference lies is in the judgement of those who believe differently. A non believer recognizes that religion has some qualities that can be helpful to some whereas a believer thinks others that do not subscribe to his fantasies will suffer some terrible consequences for not falling into line and attempts to either guilt or scare others into following. The reason that agnostics or atheists do not like religions is the damage it can and has caused.
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Apr 14, 2015 21:53:09   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Afraid of dying? When a Christian is a disciple of Jesus, living for our Lord and saviour, we seek to glorify God and serve him, dying is to gain, no more pain, no evil, sadness, fear, hurt of this world condemned by sin. While no one looks forward to a painful or extended death, Christians desire eternal life, worshiping the almighty God.


You should not look forward to death at all. The logical thing to do is resist dying. The fatalistic desire to die is what makes religion so messed up. You don't really want to die but pretend that if you do, you don't. All these things about flying around or getting your own planet or some virgins actually encourages some to k**l others or helps them justify suicide. We don't need the Bible or any other book to have a moral sense of right and wrong. You can actually see it in many animals. Imagine, no religion.
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Apr 14, 2015 10:36:52   #
Theo wrote:
You can read the King James bible, Hebrews 7:27, and see for yourself, it says "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Then you can search the commentaries, written by Scholars, most of whom are dev**ed to promoting their own denominational perspective, and see that none of them see the t***h of Heb 7:27.

Then, when I tell you I pray for guidance, and for God's spirit to teach me, with a view to learning t***h, Perhaps you will begin to understand God's hand in it all. I am not telling you God showed this to me. I am telling you God may have sent me to show it to YOU, for consideration.
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Words in a book do not make them words from god or any other divine source . The only reason anyone thinks they are is because a human, a living breathing , not godlike creature , told them so. God did not appear , hand them the bible and say , These are my words , thoughts or lessons. I inspired these. A preacher , a parent or some other human told you this and passed it on to bring you into a group the same way that any criminal , boy scout leader or political activist does. They convince you their words and theories have a higher purpose or meaning or it's just a way to get ahead of someone else. It works for some and I don't think it's all bad. It just doesn't work for everyone nor should it. Religion preys on those who are weak , lost or greedy. If you need it to get you by , fine but trying to convince others to make you feel better about yourself or to control someone else is a lie and it is wrong.
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Apr 14, 2015 10:19:47   #
vernon wrote:
minimum wage earners dont pay taxes .


Can you buy groceries tax free ? Can you buy gasoline tax free ? Can you buy clothing tax free ? Do minimum wage workers pay into social security and Medicare ? Possibly not , if they buy everything on the black market or steal the the food and clothing. Maybe they work under the table. Some minimum wage workers will still be due some income tax also. You must not pay taxes either , right ?
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Apr 14, 2015 01:49:42   #
vernon wrote:
if the 5.00 hr man is picking 25 bushels a day and you are picking 5 bushels a day you do the math.

if the pickers pay taxes you as a planter will pay much more.

no one is a s***e if he works for wages,and he can leave anytime he wishes.this s***e crap is just a lie.


The s***e thing is not a lie. When a man has mouths to feed he can most certainly be manipulated and used in a way that takes advantage of him. The "You can just leave thing" is what the crap is. Thats bulls**t tough guy rhetoric.
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Apr 13, 2015 09:40:23   #
mwdegutis wrote:
As usual, you're a lying liar...

http://americanxt.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/The-Freedom-and-Empowerment-Plan.pdf

http://freebeacon.com/issues/2017-project-unveils-a-conservative-alternative-to-obamacare/

http://2017project.org/2014/01/paving-way-full-repeal/#.VSu1z5OHgg6

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414808/conservative-alternative-obamacare-bill-flores-phil-roe-austin-scott


None of this is solid.
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