JW

I was arguing with someone a few years ago about whether there is a god or not. My position was pretty certain, there was no god. The person I argued with told the following story:

One day, some scientists were arguing with God. They told God that He wasn't needed anymore because anything He could do, science could do just as well.

"Really," said God quizzically.

"Really," insisted the scientists.

"Can you make trees and bushes," asked God.

"We've done it many times," boasted the scientists.

"Can you make life from dirt," God asked.

"Certainly," said the scientists.

God said He would like to see them do that.

One of the scientist reached down and picked up a handful of dirt. He motioned for God to follow him into the lab.

God looked confused so the scientist explained that they would take the dirt into their lab and show God how they did it. God could go with and watch the process.

God shook His head. "No, no," He said, "use your own dirt."



That story, silly as it is, revealed a stark t***h to me. God, whoever He is, had to have been here before dirt. That changes the entire argument from the usual atheistic comparisons of God to Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. It completely invalidates their argument because it demonstrates that they can't account for the "dirt".

I still am not a religious subscriber but I am also not so confident of my argument against God. Until I can account for the dirt, I must accept the possibility that there is a God. So. Is there a God?

The atheist must believe as strenuously as any religious believer because his facts are no firmer than those of the religious person... who does account for the dirt by invoking magic. The atheist invokes magic of a different kind but it is still magic.

I am left with a question unanswered... and maybe unanswerable. I simply do not know.

Steve700

In all likelihood, wh**ever arguments you have against God are probably anti-Christian anti-conservative thought, subversive Marxist propaganda talking points. Not only is there a God, but proof of evolution is sketchy and mostly missing and a lot of supposition and cannot be proven. Can you imagine without thought or any intelligent design, birds and flying insects developing those wings enabling each one to do its specific task perfectly, like flies that are quicker than you, hummingbirds that can stay motionless in midair flapping their wings over 100 times a second, and Eagles that can fly for hours without ever flapping their wings at all. Are you seriously going to tell me that this all developed over millions of years starting out as a little pimple like nub, and with no intelligent design they slowly kept growing although for millions of years their useless appendages wouldn't get them off the ground. DON"T BE STUPID.

JW

Anyone who is current with the status of scientific enquiry in the areas you refer to will have no trouble determining who is being stupid.

However, you seem to have misunderstood what I have said. I'll leave it at that... at least, for you.

Anonymous Loc: Hamtucket jersey city

I believe that science doesn't disprove God and if god does excist it doesn't disprove science. Why couldn't have god have made evolution or the Big Bang. I mean making a universe has got to be really complicated right? Maybe it's not as easy as he just willed it into existence.

JW

That is certainly one possibility.

Anonymous Loc: Hamtucket jersey city

But if I had to guess he doesn't exist

JW

I honestly don't know and I've been trying to figure it out for a long time.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

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The question would then be where did the pimple like nub come from,from the creator of course,how could it be any other way?

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

If a universe can be created,it must be as easy as willing it into existence,there is no other way to do it.

Betta

Before I was two years old I walked out into a lake up to my chin. I was being lured by a figure standing out there telling me to come to it. As the water was up to my chin it was hard to stand and I got scared.

Just then there was voice above me saying "Don't panic. Don't panic. Turn around and walk back."

I looked up to see where the voice was coming from. All I could see was blue sky and some white clouds. Then it said, rather sternly "Don't look up here. Don't try to see me. Turn around and walk back."

So, I did as I was told and walked back to the dry land. I remember running to my mother and telling her something but I can't remember what. All I know is her eyes got really big.

Is there a God? He proved Himself to me when I didn't even know who He was. The devil was luring me to my death at about 1 1/2 years old (I can remember back to before I could walk) and God sent an angel to stop it.

The angel was telling me to not look up to try to see it because I would have lost my footing and drowned while looking up.

I also want everyone to know this. Keep an eye on your little ones. We hear every week some child got away while everyone was around, only to be found later in a body of water. They were lured and nobody knows. Every time I hear of another child found in a lake I know it was that lurer at work...again.

Children are being lured into the water by an evil entity unseen by others. Only the child can see it. I know what I am talking about because it almost happened to me. I saw it. God stepped in with divine intervention and stopped it. I will never forget it as long as I live.

This "lurer" makes the child feel safe to want to be where it is. I know that's how I felt. It just kept telling me to "Come on" out there to it and I wanted to go. It was a tall figure dressed in hooded drape-like black thing standing out in the water or close to the other side of the shore. There was no fear until it got hard to stand. The water was up to my chin and I still wanted to go further and be with this thing but, Thank God in Heaven He sent the angel to intervene.

Scares me sometimes to think what could have happened and nobody would have known the whole story. It just would have been another toddler got away from everybody and drowned in the lake. Nobody would have been the wiser that I was lured.

So YES! There is a God.

MajorAhrens Loc: Myrtle Beach

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robmull Loc: florida

Anonymous, you're right - "he doesn't exist;" - "He" does!!!

DamnYANKEE

if I had my guess , you don't exist either . :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kachina

While I don't follow any organized religion, because I think they are all corrupt and tell stories to promote there specific religion, I have absolutely no doubt there is a God. Think about it. How the Earth came to support all these different life forms: different people, animals of all different kinds, plants, vegetables, trees, flowers, the air we breath. Everything had to be absolutely perfect in the cosmos for this to happen. We have mountains, dirt, sand, all the water needed for life. Scientists claim this is all the result of a big bang. Well, maybe someone created the big bang. I cannot comprehend how all these things came to be by accident. It is all too perfect. The odds against all these things happening at exactly the right formula to create and support all these different things are astronomical. It just had to be created with a divine plan.

amvaap

Your honesty in not knowing is refreshing and I'm confident God ( I prefer to call him Elohim ) will honor your quest for t***h. The atheist knows there's a "God," the atheist is just dishonest about the fact that they are in r*******n against "God." Atheist refuse to be beholding to anything other than themselves and the best way to do that is to deny the existence of any "God" other than themselves.