I lived in East Tennessee among step-relatives from Stone Mountain...real red necks and real nice people who would never have said what Bundy did. Don't excuse r****m. Understand where it comes from and that it can't be entirely condemned, but don't excuse it. You know, I attended a high school in Knoxville of over 1000 students and never ran into r****m when I spoke strongly in favor of integration. Likewise never encountered r****m in my Southern Baptist 2000 member megachurch where I was equally outspoken. There were indeed those who thought segregation or 'separate but equal' was OK (my sister was one of them, in fact, at that time), but they weren't negative about black people. Again, r****m is 'understandable' but don't excuse it. Bundy is understandable, but don't excuse him...for his r****m or for his breaking the law.

Yawn.... Man how many of these cards are in the deck?

"“This is not a game.”

Las Vegas, NV – Nevada Senator Harry Reid released the following statement today on r****t comments by Cliven Bundy reported by the New York Times.

“I used to live in North Las Vegas and it is home to some of the hardest-working people I have ever met – men and women who embody the American dream by working hard every day to build a better life for themselves and their families. By contrast, Cliven Bundy has spent decades profiting off government land while refusing to pay the same fair use fees as his fellow ranchers. Today, Bundy revealed himself to be a h**eful r****t. But by denigrating people who work hard and play by the rules while he mooches off public land he also revealed himself to be a hypocrite.

“To advance his extreme, h**eful views, Bundy has endangered the lives of innocent women and children. This is not a game. It is the height of irresponsibility for any individual or entity in a position of power or influence to glorify or romanticize such a dangerous individual, and anyone who has done so should come to their senses and immediately condemn Bundy. For their part, national Republican leaders could help show a united front against this kind of h**eful, dangerous extremism by publicly condemning Bundy.

“The bottom line is that elected officials and those in positions of power or influence have a responsibility to unite behind the basic principle that we are a country of laws, and that wh**ever our differences, it is unacceptable for individuals to use violence or the threat of violence to advance their radical views.”

Does anyone see a bit of hypocrisy here?

Your knowledge of this issue is scary. If you are a gum chewer please refrain from walking or operating heavy machinery.

The fact is that local school districts contribute to state pension plans for public school teachers. The unfunded liabilities facing states and local school districts are scary.

That people like you v**e and help pick our leaders is the scariest thing of all. Along with an ID there should also be an IQ test before citizens and non citizens are allowed to v**e.

Boeing,
The problem is that
People like witless do not make any sense. SS will not go bankrupt for 70 years under current taxes. There is a 2.5-3 $$$ Trillion surplus in the trust fund. Ryan wants it so bad BC it destroys SS if he can destroy the TF like he said he wants to do.
Repuglicans like Ryan will continue to attack successful plans for the poor and middle class because they want to create a surf class. It all fits their big picture. Destroy SS Medicare w vouchers Medicaid, pension funds, personal IRAs, everything they can think of to suppress the 70% of Americans that rely on these programs.thats the stink bomb that witless wants to throw.

All of that sounds good, but it does not work. Liberals will never admit that SS is unsustainable. Ryan does not screw anybody with his plan. In private business the reason the defined benefit retirement plans were replaced with 401ks is that the old plans are too expensive to survive.

In the next 10 years many small school districts will go bankrupt because of their teacher retirement plans. The public sector unions have been successful in blocking reform.

SS is a defined benefit plan. It cannot survive, but do not tell that to i***ts. You know those who v**e Democrat.

Everyone wants a painless way to fund entitlements. Just go after the super rich. Just take the money from the military. There ain't enough super rich to fund the $ Trillions needed to save the welfare state. Demagogues like Barry Obama know this. They also know that the low information v**er can be lied to.

I do not expect to convince those who are brain locked in the past. You can't give vision to those who close their eyes.

Good beans line. :lol:

A while ago, Oldroy and I went back and forth about ACA. I could not have been more in favor of universal health care.
What we got was such a mess, it could have been put together better by a group of high school kids.

That said, I doubt the is will be repealed. It is in place now. We will see nudges, tweaks and contortions until l it does manage to sorta work.

My disappointment is that like Bush's part D addition to medicare, this was more for the good of insurance cos than for we, the v**ers.

As old as I am probable will not affect me much. Never the less it is a big disappointment and embarrassment to me.