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Dec 2, 2014 15:18:06   #
missinglink wrote:
Any indication as to why ?


Well they all had drinks in hand. I think they were attending a party and took it outside. So they were just a bunch of drunk fools probably. Who knows.
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Dec 1, 2014 18:38:07   #
RETW wrote:
I had an odd experience this AM. and I thought I would relate it to you.

Driving into town this morning, coming up to a stop light, I pulled up in back of a vehicle that had on its bumper a sign
declaring to all, 9-11 did not happen the way most believe. Further, The Pentagon was an inside job.

Another stop sign and I pulled up along side. I rolled down my window and asked, “how do you know?” “ WHAT “
Came back as a reply. I asked again,
“ how do you know it did not happen the way most believe it. I saw the 2nd plane
Fly right into the 2nd building, live on TV as it happened.” “ Hey ass hole, don’t you know a missile when you see one.
You fucking old people are so dumb.”

Two things I want to point out.
#1.
This was a young male of about 25 or so. Proving to me yet again, that brains are wasted on the young.

#2.
This young man was very lucky I was of even temperament. For if I had been some others I know, I might just have pulled my 357 mag and placed a very large hole in his head.

But as I want to do, I just went about my business.

You ever have one of those days?

RETW
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Yes I did just last Saturday. I'm driving down a residential street, a group of young punks early 20's were standing in the street talking. I pulled up slowly and stopped for them to move. They all just kept on talking preventing me from being able to go through the street. They took up the entire street. I had to turn around. I didn't want the confrontation or damage to my car. I was so pissed off.
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Dec 1, 2014 18:30:26   #
KHH1 wrote:
**Wall Street Journal**



California Budget Increases Spending as State Enjoys a Surplus

Gov. Brown Urges Fiscal Restraint While Proposing More Funds for Schools, Debt Repayment

By
Alejandro Lazo


Jan. 9, 2014 2:46 p.m. ET

SACRAMENTO, Calif.—A resurgent stock market and a v**er-approved tax increase has given California a windfall of several billion dollars, resulting in a rapid turnaround from the state's massive budget gaps of recent years.

On Thursday, Gov. Jerry Brown called the improvement in the state's fiscal house "good news," and he proposed spending an additional $10 billion annually for California's schools. But anticipating calls for further increased spending and preparing for a likely re-e******n bid, he also urged fiscal restraint as he officially proposed a $154.9 billion budget.

"By no means are we out of the wilderness, we have serious issues before us in terms of long-term liabilities, debts, and we must be very prudent in the way we spend public funds," Mr. Brown said. However, "after years of drought, and cutbacks and pink slips for the teachers, we are finally able to provide a substantial amount of new money for all the schools of California."

The document sets up roughly six months of negotiations with a Democratic-controlled legislature that will likely face pressure to increase spending and restore some of the big cuts to social services the state has experienced in recent years. A budget must be approved by June 15 so it can be enacted by July 1.

Mr. Brown was forced to move his budget announcement up a day after the document was leaked to the media Wednesday. He hastily rescheduled a trio of news conferences set to take place here and in Los Angeles and San Diego.

The document opens with a letter to the legislature in which he warns that the state's surplus—estimated at being roughly $4.7 billion by June 30 by the state's Legislative Analyst's Office—is modest, given the state's large pension liabilities, bond costs and other expenses.

Mr. Brown's proposed budget increases kindergarten through 12th grade public education spending by $10 billion, sends new money to colleges and universities, and allocates money to expand health-care coverage to millions.

The plan contains a warning about the state's boom-and-bust budget history, saying it is "riddled" with permanent spending increases made during times of temporary revenue spikes, while now seeking to rebuild the state's finances. Notably, it proposes using the state's surplus to make the first deposit since 2007 into the state's "rainy day fund."

Mr. Brown also seeks to pay money owed to state schools but deferred during the years of crisis as well as pay back bonds sold to balance the budget 10 years ago, and make some infrastructure improvements. In addition, the budget endorses a plan to strengthen the rainy day fund through constitutional amendment.

Despite sounding the notes of fiscal restraint, Mr. Brown's budget proposal is 6.3% larger than last year's. It also reflects the governor's commitment to a troubled $68 billion plan to bring high-speed rail to the state by proposing to help finance the project using $250 million in proceeds from selling cap-and-trade pollution credits.

In introducing his budget proposal Thursday, the Democratic governor said that beginning to pay down California's massive "wall of debt" must be a priority. His proposal for the 2014-15 fiscal year dedicates $11 billion to paying down debts and liabilities, including $6 billion in payments to schools that had been deferred.

He also sets aside $1.6 billion for the rainy day fund to protect against future downturns, saying "wisdom and prudence should be the order of the day."

The record $106.8 billion general fund exceeds the spending level in place just before the recession by more than $3 billion, and is a nearly 9% increase over spending in the current fiscal year.


Write to Alejandro Lazo at alejandro.lazo@wsj.com
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How can California have a surplus when we have hundreds of billions in unfunded liabilities? It's just a matter of time before California sinks and it won't be because of an earthquake.
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Dec 1, 2014 18:27:43   #
50055005 wrote:
I can take EVERYTHING you said and say the very same thing about Democrat Leadership...... and how your being taken and used by them....

Think the GOP has been the party to give the rich all there tax breaks? Smoke on this.. Where is the tax code written? In the House Ways & Means Committee. Which party has had control of the House Ways & Means Committee the most time? Well since 1955 the Dems has had control for 44 years, 76% of the time...GOP has had control for 14 years, 24% of the time... So if any party has been the party of the rich...Its been the DEMs...and that are the facts...

Those “Evil, Rich People” that Democrats are always wailing about are actually – Democrats.

While I don’t agree in referring to rich people as “Evil”, Democrats are often making such accusations. But what most people don’t realize is that the Top 3 “richest” people in the country are all Democrats. This list includes: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett & Larry Ellison are all Democrats. Together, they are worth $126 Billion Dollars.

An analysis of the Top 20 Richest People in America (from Forbes Top 100) reveals that a full 60% are actually Democrats. Furthermore, if you look at it from a “family” point of view and not as individuals, that ratio widens even further to: 25% Republican / 75% Democrat.

(The purpose of this analysis is not who makes the most money, but where they contribute / by party affiliation. Obviously, people from the same family would tend to contribute to the same party.)

Analyzing the data takes us even further. Not only are there more Democrats in the Top 20 list, but those Democrats are a lot more stingy with their money when it comes to campaign contributions. Republicans coughed up $5.2 million while Democrats squirted out only $2.1 Million. These statistics would indicate that the more you have, the less you give to your political party.

Contributions paid to special interest groups are a little harder to track. But we have no reason not to assume that the money these Top 1% of the population contribute to Special Interest groups wouldn’t match (or at least closely match) those of their chosen political affiliation. When you add in the money contributed to these groups, you end up with Republican Contributions at $10 million while Democrats contributed only $6 million. Again, it appears that the Democrats are a bit more stingy with their money.

Lest we not forget, Democrats outweigh Republicans. Not only in terms of the number of uber-millionaires, but also with their net worth. In this Top 20 group, Democrats have a combined net worth of $263.1 billion dollars while the Republicans have a combined net worth of only $143.9 billion dollars – almost half that of Democrats.

So the next time you hear some Liberal try the “Evil Rich Republican” rhetoric, remind them and everyone around you that it is the Democrats who are those “Evil Rich People”, not the Republicans. Then stand back and watch their head spin.
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Very well stated. Also there have been studies that conclude that republicans give more charity than democrats.
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Nov 30, 2014 22:31:28   #
Ike wrote:
Jay Michelson in The Daily Beast for November 30th:

Dear Evangelicals: You’re Being Had
Why are you trying to solve a cultural problem with a political solution? Because the Republican Party is using you.
Dear Conservative Evangelicals,

I drive a Prius, enjoy Vanilla lattes, and am married to a man. I know it’s unlikely for me to be writing you this letter, and even more unlikely for you to read it.

But unlike most of my Obama-loving, liberal friends, I am no longer afraid of you. It’s clear to me that “your side” is losing the battle for public opinion, and I know that many of you agree with that assessment.

So why am I writing you this letter? Because, also unlike my liberal friends, I’m actually on your side, in some ways. I’m an ordained rabbi, and someone deeply concerned with the vulgarization and sexualization of our society. You and I disagree about the solution to this problem, of course, but we agree that there is a problem.

The trouble is, you’re trying to solve cultural problems with political solutions—because politicians have convinced you to do so. I am referring here to establishment Republicans, which for 150 years have consistently been the party of the rich and ungenerous.

In the first half of the twentieth century, most Christians distrusted this party, controlled as it was by “urban bankers” and others opposed to the Jeffersonian values of rural America. But in the wake of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the switch began—and by Ronald Reagan’s e******n in 1980, it was complete. Republicans catered to conservative social attitudes on racial integration, and eventually moved rightward on issues like a******n and feminism, too, although you know as well as I do that they never really believed in them. They just realized that they could gain power by uniting two very different groups: the same moneyed elites as always, and you.

Now, let’s see who has won, and who has lost, in the ensuing 34 years.

You’re trying to solve cultural problems with political solutions—because politicians have convinced you to do so.
It’s clear that the rich—call them the 1 percent if you like, but I prefer to think of them as the moneylenders whom Jesus threw out of the Temple—have prospered enormously. In 1983, the wealthiest 1 percent were 131 times richer than the average American. In 2009, they were 225 times richer. In 2012, the top 20 percent made $13.5 trillion in income; the entire bottom 80% made $1 trillion.

These are disparities not seen since before the Great Depression. Whether for better or for worse, the ultra-rich have done extremely well in the 30 years you’ve allied with them.

How have you done, in the same period? Not well at all. Not only is gay marriage now the law for over two-thirds of Americans while the value of marriage in general has been declining for decades; not only are television, film, music, and video games more vulgar than we could have imagined in 1980; but more Americans are declaring themselves “Nones,” that is, people of no religious affiliation, than ever before in our history. Sure, some churches are expanding, but overall, your way of life is in steep decline. In short, you are losing horribly.

So, who is using whom here? Have the rich Republicans been good for you, or have you been good to them?

I look at the alliance you’ve forged with these people, and I don’t understand why you’re in it. Their agenda keeps winning, and yours keeps losing.

Moreover—and I don’t want to speak out of turn here—their agenda is even eating away at yours. What happened to the Christian concern to “love the least of these,” the most vulnerable, the most destitute? In my opinion, supply-side Republicans have convinced many Christians not merely that the welfare state is a bad idea, but that generosity itself is a vice, that public assistance equals dependence, and that giving the wealthy even more breaks is the way for benefits to “trickle down” to the rest of us.


That theory, by the way, has never been proven. When it’s been put into practice, it’s only made the ultra-rich richer. It’s done nothing for the middle class, the working class, and the poor. And its mean-hearted message, in my opinion, has corrupted the social gospel. Of course, prosperity is a good thing. But our current moment isn’t one of prosperity—it’s of ine******y on the scale of ancient Rome.

Now, I’m not saying that you should jump on board with the Democrats’ agenda either. I’m saying that this Republican claim that you can build a Christian nation through politics is bogus, and only serves their goals.

You’re fighting the wrong fight. You should be making your case in culture, not in Congress. Look around. Atheism is highest in Europe, where there are established churches involved in the political process. But according to most historians, America is the most religious country in the Western world precisely because of the separation of church and state.

That “wall of separation” that liberals like to talk about? The original metaphor was: erect a wall to keep the garden of the church free from the wilderness of politics. The more you try to force your beliefs on others, the more people dislike you.

Of course, there are now multi-billion-dollar organizations dedicated to Christian politics. But how effective have they been? What has all that money bought?

I’ve worked in the L**T movement for 15 years. At first, we, too, tried a political approach, talking about equal rights, civil rights, and so on. But the movement’s PR people found these messages weren’t working. So, in the 2000s, we shifted. We worked in the cultural arena instead, with pioneers like Ellen and Will & Grace. We went into churches and synagogues, testifying about our lives and our families. We changed people’s hearts, not their laws.

We also found messengers who could communicate the t***h of our lives. Sure, there are radicals in the L**T community who really are opposed to mainstream values—and some of them are my friends! But there are also moderates, even conservatives. The L**T movement looked for places where we could find common ground, and focused there.

But because the public face of Christianity is now made up of the political operatives who can shout the loudest, your “wingnuts” are in center stage. I know that most Christians are not bigots or homophobes. I read the data, and I have Christian friends. But you have to admit: you’re putting your worst feet forward. Many of your spokespeople are loud and mean, because they can turn out the v**es.

This all feeds into that devil’s bargain with the Republican Party. They stir you up about social issues in order to get you to the polls, and then they don’t really do anything about them. Because, in fact, they can’t. These are cultural questions, not political ones, and they have to be solved in the cultural arena.

To be clear, I’m not alleging any vast, right wing conspiracy to hoodwink Christians into v****g Republican. I know that many of your values do, indeed, align with Republican policies.

But from the outside, from my side of the aisle, the situation seems very clear. The Republican rich are doing very well, and you’re losing badly. There’s only one conclusion I can draw from that: you’re being had.
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Ike it is you that has been had. Your perspective is typical rhederic or narrative the democrats have been spewing for years now. Are you truly a Rabbi? Your view seems to be shallow. I would expect more from a Rabbi. I know many Orthodox Jews and have often wondered why they were democrats. Most were business owners, but most also didn't follow the rules created by the democrats. They would c***t the system wherever they could. There is one word that comes to mind regarding your post. Hypocrocy.
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Nov 12, 2014 20:01:57   #
rumitoid wrote:
I have a problem with making "born this way" as an automatic and accepted stamp of approval for behavior. Many of us seem to have certain predilections that we appeared to be born with that are not merely considered unsavory or questionable but harmful and criminal. Is the defense for a sociopath or psychopath to be they had no choice and thus it's all good? There is a strong genetic case for alcoholism being inherited: is giving into this lifestyle and all the wrong that goes with it to be tolerated, or aggrandized into law, because they were born that way?

If laws were predicated on genetic dispositions, such as homosexuality or alcoholism, that discriminated against them, that would be wrong because humans have a choice. But if we oblige certain predispositions as being lawful and accepted by their mere presence in our makeup, is that just to society?
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I'm right with you on this one rumitoid. Although I do not believe in discriminating against anyone. As Jesus said, remove the plank from your eye so you can see clearly to remove the spec from your brothers eye.
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Nov 12, 2014 19:52:26   #
PaulPisces wrote:
NPP - I'm really unclear at what you are trying to say; maybe you can elaborate?

What I was trying to point out in this post is that sexual orientation is not a choice. If it were then any heterosexual would be able to choose to be gay - say for a year or so to illustrate to their child how easy it is to change. But everyone knows a heterosexual cannot just decide to be gay. So why think a gay person's ability to change is any different?


Not that I disagree with you. But how do we explain heterosexual men in prisons who ultimately engage in homosexuality?
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Nov 6, 2014 16:52:22   #
tdsrnest wrote:
No I agree with you she needs to be incarcerated your right Lois broke the law. I finally seen the light I am on your side and you still call me stupid. I have been stupid we need to get rid of Lois for targeting the GOPTP for breaking the law. We need to move those jobs bills from Harry's desk to Mitch there ready to go all passed by the house within a month we can get rid of the EPA, FDA, NLRB, privatize Medicare SS, repeal the ACA, repeal medicaid food stamps, SNAP, education needs to be privatized, we are tired of these takers. These programs need to go we have get rid of corporate taxes they are better suited to control wages in this country, collective bargaining and unions destroyed this country, the corporate elite are best suited to determine our path to prosperity in this country. I have been stupid I understand I have been wrong I love our new path we need more red in congress. If that half breed Kenyan socialist Marxist illegal obstructionist needs to be impeached. The stupid ignorant welfare loving democrats have to go. I believe in v**er suppression if you are black Latino and stupid you should not be allowed to v**e.

I have heard this day after day with the GOPTP bloggers on OPP and they have convinced me I have been to much of a liberal and very stupid and I should be eliminated from ever v****g again. You guys and gals have been 100% correct all those jobs bills as I have stated are done and sitting on Harry's desk now all Mitch has to do is bring them up for a v**e we as GOPTP can now throw those 462 filibustered democratic socialist Marxist bills passed by the ignorant democrats and s**t can them once and for all. Thank you guys for helping me see the right path to prosperity in this country
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You missed the whole point tdsernst. You thought the Republican party was going to be no more. You went along with the media spins and propaganda that said Republicans are outdated and don't understand women, b****s, hispanics etc. You underestimated the american people and their ability to think and process ideas. But in the midst of all that propaganda was some t***h. But the Democrats instead of debating t***h and facts continued to spin the propaganda. It is for that reason they lost. Just like you thought we h**ed women and b****s, you are wrong about the extreme ideas you are suggesting and expecting from the Republicans according to your post.
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Nov 1, 2014 13:38:06   #
Voice of Reason wrote:
I used to think that libs used the r****t label as a dodge when they couldn't argue substance. Then I realized that's not true. They really believe that disagreement with Obama makes one a r****t, because his race is the only reason they v**ed for him and the only reason they defend his policies. Race is all-important to progressive libs. They cannot understand that it might not be so important to others.


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Nov 1, 2014 13:28:01   #
grace scott wrote:
A republican.


Excellent response Grace. I think your comment brings some depth to this discussion. Under normal circumstances your response would be absolutely true. But unfortunatley a black person who doesn't agree with the current administration is labeled with horrible r****t critique. The hypocricy of the left runs deep as it is they who play the race card constantly. It is they who exploit race. But your comment also got a giggle from me. :)
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Nov 1, 2014 13:18:16   #
Brian Devon wrote:
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Sneaky progressives. They will probably try to neutralize the advantage of this latest slaughtering machine.........by bringing our troops home and out of harm's way.

The sneaky bastards will not only hurt the gun manufacturing employees, they will also ruin employment for coffin manufacturers and the folks who manufacture prosthetic limbs and wheelchairs.

Too bad our right wing cretins can only get a hard on for k*****g machines instead of soft, curvy, women.

I suspect that is your problem, Roy, and you are perpetually pissed that Viagra ain't working for you.
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Brian you are one major sex machine. But while you are at home having sex, there is an offensive by ISIS that is moving quickly and is headed here according to their own threats. Although I normally agree with you on getting our troops out, it's obvious we need to squash these guys. I say let's get it done quickly now and get out. Any advantage we have to accomplish this is good.
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Nov 1, 2014 13:12:51   #
Glaucon wrote:
If this is true, why is it that the legitimate media doesn't know about it? I have a gold mine for sale.


I want to know, who is the legitimate media?
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Nov 1, 2014 12:45:35   #
MajorAhrens wrote:
Kirk, that is the t***h. You think the iberals in office really want people to make more. That would k**l of 90% of their v**ers. But you can't make some of the people on opp understand basic economy 101.


Yes I see us spinning around chasing our tails. Ultimately most of us want the same thing. For poeple to have opportunity to pursue their dreams and goals and to provide for their families. But the question is does our current administration and the democrat progressive movement put their agenda of more government control above the best interest and ideals of the American people by manipulating them with emotional rhedoric. It seems to be the case.
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Nov 1, 2014 12:37:32   #
DJRich wrote:
You are right just let any i***t, criminal, illegal, insane asylum resident, angry r****d and the like, get and use any and all guns.

There should be NO restrictions of any type at any time.

There, that should make all fearful, paranoild goober nra gun-nuts happy.

Now stop crying and get those laws passed


You see DJRich, you are using emotional rhedoric. I didn't say let anyone have a gun and have no restrictions. I said there are restrictions. But instead of put MORE restrictions on law abiding citizens who would be the only ones following those restrictions, we should probably look at how we deal with the law breakers. Especially murder.
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Nov 1, 2014 12:28:08   #
Brian Devon wrote:
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Pointing out the pillaging is not h**eful. IT'S THE ACTUAL PILLAGING ITSELF THAT IS H**EFUL. Don't try to hide behind God's skirts. She doesn't appreciate it!!!!!!!!!!


I think this is hillarious. Just the other day Glaucon had a post saying basically that hating Obama is k*****g you. That h**e k**ls. That is why I referenced a statement made by Jesus saying to remove the plank from your eye so you can see clearly to remove the spec from your brothers eye. Hyprocricy runs deep.
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