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Mar 4, 2014 18:27:43   #
Hungry Freaks wrote:
I get my info from longtime weather science professionals. Both have been slow to make any link between human activity and c*****e c****e. Or, in the case of one, that there is indeed ANY c*****e c****e.

I've known, on a professional level, Dr. David Robinson, meteorologist for Rutgers University, and Keith Arnesen, climatologist for Rutgers, since the early 1990s. Both held off opinions until the mid-2000s. Both now say the consensus is that human activity is contributing to the warming of oceans, which, in turn, effect weather. These are both tenured professors (Arnesen is now retired but still answers the phone at home) who have no financial stake in any particular agenda. They are both respected weather scientists.

I believe them rather than a few hacks who once worked for the tobacco industry trying to prove smoking as a safe and healthy activity or the "Star Wars" space shield as a doable project. Or the scientists who work for the Petroleum Institute or other organizations funded by the oil and coal industries. These hacks are the whores of science who will push a view of science even if its outside the field of their training.

Those directly involved with weather and ocean science are pretty much in agreement on what's happening. My brother-in-law and sister-in-law, both employed by NOAA collecting data from the Atlantic and Pacific. Both are stone cold right-wingers in the Libertarian mold (and both are ironically employed by the government) The increase in ocean temperatures worldwide is a fact, although both are not in the position to say why. But both note that the ocean CO2 levels are also increasing.

And then there's my cousin, a full-blow Obama hating right winger and first mate on an ocean going ship. She says the old salts can't believe how much the oceans have warmed.

The oceans are a CO2 sink and a heat sink. We have high levels of CO2, mostly from human activity, in the atmosphere. The oceans soak it up, causing changes in the chemistry of the oceans and causing increased temperatures of the oceans. This is fact.

Where does the CO2 come from? Well, that's the million dollar question.

Human activity dumps billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year. Think about how much a pound of CO2 gas weights and then imagine a ton.Then imagine a million tons, a daily output of human activity. Then imagine billions of tons dumped into the atmosphere annually.

to me, it's the height of arrogance to imagine that such pollution would not eventually have some effect on the planet. It is also the height of arrogance to abuse the planet in such a way.

In my mind, it's probably too late to do anything about c*****e c****e. We're just going to have to live with the effects and learn to adapt-. Humans are an extremely adaptable species so we should be able to make the change.

Big government programs like Cap and Trade will only push more US-based industries to China and India, who also seem to be in denial about c*****e c****e, . that or they just don't care.

But we as a species and as ethical people, we should be looking for ways to curb our extreme pollution of the planet. Pumping billions of tons of gases and particulent pollution into the air is environmental extremism of the worst kind. Every time I drive the Jersey Turnpike through northern New Jersey, I look at the miles and miles of land laid to waste by industrial pollution as environmental extremism.

We have fouled our own nest. We are well into the process of destroying the God-given perfect creation that is the earth. To not curb that fouling of the nest is simply wrong. To continue to abuse God's creation is immoral. To claim that ALL those who are warning about the possible effects of such abuse are only in it for the money is environmental extremism in the highest degree.
I get my info from longtime weather science profes... (show quote)


Let's destroy your stupidity.

First, a brief biography of a real climate scientist.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/

Then, a basic discussion of climate science.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-natural-or-manmade/

A discussion pointing out, we really don't know.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/my-global-warming-skepticism-for-dummies/

Science is not consensus. It does not matter what a bunch of hucksters, sucking off the government tit, say. Science has to be based on fact. Consensus is opinion. The fact is, the earth has been cooling for the last 16 years. If the earth is cooling there can not be g****l w*****g, anthropogenic or otherwise.
Raw data:
http://www.c3headlines.com/global-cooling-dataevidencetrends/

Following is an excellent article analyzing the data and giving a historical perspective to global c*****e c****es. It also does a great job of explaining the ocean temperature cycles.
An excellent analysis of the data:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/

Another article written in simple terms explaining that CO2 releases from the ocean follow increase in temperature, they do not drive the increase in temperature.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/23/new-research-in-antarctica-shows-co2-follows-temperature-by-a-few-hundred-years-at-most/

You say, "The oceans are a CO2 sink and a heat sink. We have high levels of CO2, mostly from human activity, in the atmosphere. The oceans soak it up, causing changes in the chemistry of the oceans and causing increased temperatures of the oceans. This is fact." It is not a fact, it is a hypothesis. There is significant evidence that the increase in CO2 is caused by increases in temperature and does not cause temperature increase. CO2 levels follow temperature increases by several hundred years. If CO2 were causing the temperature rise, it would precede, not follow, the rise in temperature.

The point of my response is that we do not know how man is affecting climate. The certainty is, though, we are not having the huge effect the priests of AGW preach to receive their collections. America has been at the forefront of pollution control (btw, CO2 is not pollution). To make significant reductions in the pollution we generate would cause dire consequences to our manufacturing and to our standard of living. Since, 1) we do not know if man is having an effect on climate, and 2) further reductions in emissions would have a serious detrimental effect on our economic future, and 3) g****l w*****g hysteria is simply an excuse for the redistribution of American wealth to poorer countries, we need to ignore the man made g****l w*****g hucksters and get on with our lives.

The further I get into your response, I realize you are a complete i***t. You do not care about science. Hell you have presented nothing other than anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence is NO evidence. You are nothing more than a poorly informed partisan hack. I hope someone with a brain reads this. At least they will get something out of it.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:58:23   #
cold iron wrote:
Raylan Wolfe..97% of Scientist that say c*****e c****e is a fact are on the government pay roll. The fact is if they don't keep saying this lie they will lose there job. One question, what is it you see happening. Is it getting to cold? Could it be that sequester all the CO2 is causing g****l c*****g?


An example would be Dr. Roy Spencer. He is a climatologist, who worked for NASA until he went off the reservation and began publishing papers shooting holes in all the man made g****l w*****g lies. When he began threatening their funding by publishing the t***h, they ran him off.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:55:13   #
fom wrote:
weather c*****e c****e is a natural phenomena or not it still should be heeded that we have only one planet to live on and we should take care of it instead of allowing pollution and degradation to be a practice.It seem the people who resit that c*****e c****e is not man caused want one thing. It is money now and worry later. By then it will be too late.


You are one stupid individual. The people who contradict the man made g****l w*****g lie want a sensible environmental policy. Not a redistributionist policy. Not an anti-industry policy. A sensible policy, based on facts. Not some left wing, anti-America, anti-industry, redistributionist lunacy, based on the lie of man made g****l w*****g.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:50:45   #
Trooper745 wrote:
It is amusing that your linked article claiming that 97% of scientists believe in man made g****l w*****g was written in June 2010, and the below linked article was written only 7 months later, and states that 40% doubt anthropological caused c*****e c****e. I don't think that that many scientists changed their minds about c*****e c****e in only seven months.

It is more likely that a strongly biased c*****e c****e advocate wrote the piece you quote, in blind acceptance of the then popular lie told by Al Gore, since the internet is now saturated with stories of both increasing belief, and outright proof, that c*****e c****e is not being accelerated by any noticeable degree because of the activities of humans.

http://www.nas.org/articles/Estimated_40_Percent_of_Scientists_Doubt_Manmade_Global_Warming
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Mar 4, 2014 16:49:00   #
fom wrote:
Why were some refrigerants and aerosols banned years ago?


Because DuPont's patent on Freon was about to expire and it would be available from many sources, cheaper. So, just before their patent expired, DuPont scientists "discovered" that Freon was harming the ozone. It really wasn't, but that is a discussion for another day. The only solution was to use R134, which just happens to be, you guessed it, another compound patented by DuPont.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:43:09   #
Retired669 wrote:
The first sentence in your post is a flat out lie and the rest of your post goes down hill from there which is normal for you.

What you baggers believe is fact is nothing more than paranoia. America is rapidly changing and you baggers don't like it. Well I suggest you move to a country that meets your expectations if you can find one with the freedom you have in America. :thumbup: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes, America is changing. Those of your ilk have been allowed to contribute to the national discourse for too long. You and your type are tearing us down until we are a third world banana republic. There is moral decay. The dollar is crashing. We are a laughing stock around the world. You are right, America is changing. It is in decline.

You are right about something else, those of us who love this country, as it was founded, don't like the decline you and yours are engineering. We want America restored as the great nation it once was.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:36:22   #
Onelittlevoice wrote:
What the black community needs is dignity and hope. There is great dignity in every black person. No one can touch the dignity that abides in every person. The only thing you can do is to convince the person that he does not have dignity. When a person does not believe that he has dignity, he will not act in a dignified manner. If he believes in his own dignity and honor, he may respond to the world with that, and no one can take it away from him. The world and a lot of people in it have a lot of influence, but the ultimate control of a person's character and actions reside in the person. Influence is just that. It is not control. When a person allows it to be such, that person gives away something which is core to his being. When one truly believes in his own dignity and acts accordingly, it is a tremendous source of hope. It may take a long time, but hope never fails. Hope keeps the belief alive. Remember the old saying: "T***h just is. Lies have to be invented."
What the black community needs is dignity and hope... (show quote)


It is progressive policies over the last 130 years which have caused this loss of dignity. Several generations of b****s have been told by white liberals and black poverty pimps that the deck is stacked against them, that they are not smart enough to make it on their own, that the only way for them to have anything is for some democrat politician to give it to them. If you hear that long and often enough, you will believe it. Again, I say the solution is to end progressive policies in this Republic. Expect better of them and they will not disappoint.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:32:07   #
bahmer wrote:
Therein rises the next big problem that we face and that is how do you reverse this process and get it back on its feet?


End liberal policies in this Republic.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:28:00   #
Retired669 wrote:
All these cut & paste tea bagging conspiracy i***ts on this board cry foul non stop when you point out their ignorance and flat out lies. I've told several of them quit lying and I will leave you alone. Too damn many lies by their party's leaders have them doing the same damn thing thinking they can get away with it as well.:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


R****ded666, you would not know t***h if it bit you on the ass. Oh, I forgot, that is foreplay for you and your boyfriends.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:25:46   #
bobgssc wrote:
This thread just proves that at least one poster here has no interest in an intelligent debate. Thanks for identifying yourself (in case anyone missed all of your previous posts and responses).


There you go again, talking about yourself.
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Mar 4, 2014 15:54:09   #
Searching wrote:
Please pardon my intrusion, but Ms. Lane was the one who stated that women should not have been given the right to v**e. While the moral turpitude of a woman might affect the way she v**es, why would Ms. Lane (a woman at that) state that women shouldn't v**e. I don't, by the way, believe I have ever, as a LIBERAL, said that morals and values are not important. They are, indeed. However, it is not up to me to "police" others morals and values. That is between an individual and God -- not mere mortals. One of the values you spoke of -- would be to treat people with civility.
Please pardon my intrusion, but Ms. Lane was the o... (show quote)


Because she said it rhetorically. If you were capable of reading, rather than relying on your care taker telling you what it says, you would have seen the next paragraph, where she said everyone should be active in the political process. Now come back with some passive aggressive BS telling me how mean I am.
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Mar 4, 2014 15:49:49   #
BoJester wrote:
This women, a teabagger thinkd women should never have gotten the right to v**e, and should not have it now.

Why do t***h and facts annoy conservatards so much?

I know, it really sucks to belong to a movement that is so utterly stupid


"This women...thinkd..." Damn your stupid.
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Mar 4, 2014 15:44:25   #
BoJester wrote:
So the teapartyconservatives don't think women should v**e.

So the the conservtive war on women is false?

So conservatives will scratch their collective heads or asses and try to figure how they just lost another national e******n

Good job teapartyconservatives. Remember not to let palin v**e



http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/03/03/janis-lane-women-shouldnt-v**e/


I look forward to your posts being even more stupid than the last. And you never disappoint. Apparently, you did not read the link. That's right, you cannot read. You just have someone type up a left wing post, then like a monkey, they have trained you to post it on blog sites.

The comment re women v****g was rhetorical. If you could read, you would have seen the next paragraph, wherein she said every person should involve themselves in the political process.

Bo, you really should find someone who can read, to proofread your handler's posts for you. They are really making you look stupid.
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Mar 4, 2014 15:33:12   #
grace scott wrote:
Janis Lane is so wrong. Men should not be allowed to v**e. We would be generous and allow them to fill some government posts. We would let them handle the day to day military activity BUT they could never go to war without our approval; and we would not risk the lives of our sons and husbands unless someone threatened our way of life.


Good God you are stupid. Your caretaker should never let you out of your padded room. Your stupidity makes you a danger to yourself and others.
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Mar 4, 2014 15:13:36   #
lpnmajor wrote:
None of them are more charitable than the maximum tax deduction will allow. Which means that the rest of us are paying for their charity anyway. It isn't charity, it's for appearance only.


You are full of s**t. Post a source showing the actual numbers, or you are only posting an unsupported opinion. I do admire you for the attemptx though. The rest of the looney l*****ts on here ran for the hills. But you hung around to say something stupid, and wrong.

What was Rush Limbaugh's contribution to the Leukemia Society this year, $500,000? Now, say something else stupid.
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