Hungry Freaks wrote:
I get my info from longtime weather science professionals. Both have been slow to make any link between human activity and c*****e c****e. Or, in the case of one, that there is indeed ANY c*****e c****e.
I've known, on a professional level, Dr. David Robinson, meteorologist for Rutgers University, and Keith Arnesen, climatologist for Rutgers, since the early 1990s. Both held off opinions until the mid-2000s. Both now say the consensus is that human activity is contributing to the warming of oceans, which, in turn, effect weather. These are both tenured professors (Arnesen is now retired but still answers the phone at home) who have no financial stake in any particular agenda. They are both respected weather scientists.
I believe them rather than a few hacks who once worked for the tobacco industry trying to prove smoking as a safe and healthy activity or the "Star Wars" space shield as a doable project. Or the scientists who work for the Petroleum Institute or other organizations funded by the oil and coal industries. These hacks are the whores of science who will push a view of science even if its outside the field of their training.
Those directly involved with weather and ocean science are pretty much in agreement on what's happening. My brother-in-law and sister-in-law, both employed by NOAA collecting data from the Atlantic and Pacific. Both are stone cold right-wingers in the Libertarian mold (and both are ironically employed by the government) The increase in ocean temperatures worldwide is a fact, although both are not in the position to say why. But both note that the ocean CO2 levels are also increasing.
And then there's my cousin, a full-blow Obama hating right winger and first mate on an ocean going ship. She says the old salts can't believe how much the oceans have warmed.
The oceans are a CO2 sink and a heat sink. We have high levels of CO2, mostly from human activity, in the atmosphere. The oceans soak it up, causing changes in the chemistry of the oceans and causing increased temperatures of the oceans. This is fact.
Where does the CO2 come from? Well, that's the million dollar question.
Human activity dumps billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year. Think about how much a pound of CO2 gas weights and then imagine a ton.Then imagine a million tons, a daily output of human activity. Then imagine billions of tons dumped into the atmosphere annually.
to me, it's the height of arrogance to imagine that such pollution would not eventually have some effect on the planet. It is also the height of arrogance to abuse the planet in such a way.
In my mind, it's probably too late to do anything about c*****e c****e. We're just going to have to live with the effects and learn to adapt-. Humans are an extremely adaptable species so we should be able to make the change.
Big government programs like Cap and Trade will only push more US-based industries to China and India, who also seem to be in denial about c*****e c****e, . that or they just don't care.
But we as a species and as ethical people, we should be looking for ways to curb our extreme pollution of the planet. Pumping billions of tons of gases and particulent pollution into the air is environmental extremism of the worst kind. Every time I drive the Jersey Turnpike through northern New Jersey, I look at the miles and miles of land laid to waste by industrial pollution as environmental extremism.
We have fouled our own nest. We are well into the process of destroying the God-given perfect creation that is the earth. To not curb that fouling of the nest is simply wrong. To continue to abuse God's creation is immoral. To claim that ALL those who are warning about the possible effects of such abuse are only in it for the money is environmental extremism in the highest degree.
I get my info from longtime weather science profes... (
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Let's destroy your stupidity.
First, a brief biography of a real climate scientist.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/
Then, a basic discussion of climate science.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-natural-or-manmade/
A discussion pointing out, we really don't know.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/my-global-warming-skepticism-for-dummies/
Science is not consensus. It does not matter what a bunch of hucksters, sucking off the government tit, say. Science has to be based on fact. Consensus is opinion. The fact is, the earth has been cooling for the last 16 years. If the earth is cooling there can not be g****l w*****g, anthropogenic or otherwise.
Raw data:
http://www.c3headlines.com/global-cooling-dataevidencetrends/
Following is an excellent article analyzing the data and giving a historical perspective to global c*****e c****es. It also does a great job of explaining the ocean temperature cycles.
An excellent analysis of the data:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/
Another article written in simple terms explaining that CO2 releases from the ocean follow increase in temperature, they do not drive the increase in temperature.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/23/new-research-in-antarctica-shows-co2-follows-temperature-by-a-few-hundred-years-at-most/
You say, "The oceans are a CO2 sink and a heat sink. We have high levels of CO2, mostly from human activity, in the atmosphere. The oceans soak it up, causing changes in the chemistry of the oceans and causing increased temperatures of the oceans. This is fact." It is not a fact, it is a hypothesis. There is significant evidence that the increase in CO2 is caused by increases in temperature and does not cause temperature increase. CO2 levels follow temperature increases by several hundred years. If CO2 were causing the temperature rise, it would precede, not follow, the rise in temperature.
The point of my response is that we do not know how man is affecting climate. The certainty is, though, we are not having the huge effect the priests of AGW preach to receive their collections. America has been at the forefront of pollution control (btw, CO2 is not pollution). To make significant reductions in the pollution we generate would cause dire consequences to our manufacturing and to our standard of living. Since, 1) we do not know if man is having an effect on climate, and 2) further reductions in emissions would have a serious detrimental effect on our economic future, and 3) g****l w*****g hysteria is simply an excuse for the redistribution of American wealth to poorer countries, we need to ignore the man made g****l w*****g hucksters and get on with our lives.
The further I get into your response, I realize you are a complete i***t. You do not care about science. Hell you have presented nothing other than anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence is NO evidence. You are nothing more than a poorly informed partisan hack. I hope someone with a brain reads this. At least they will get something out of it.