This judge not only punches California gun law in the gut, he goes to much bigger questions regarding the L*****t gun psychosis.

https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2018/09/11/obama-appointed-federal-judge-smacks-kamala-harris-doj-gun-case/?

There is only one possible answer to this question ... Barack Hussein Obama.

Doc; the majority of them could not qualify for a 'real job'... The majority of them cannot speak proper English much less articulate a thought using it ... well, if they had a thought.

The fact is, not all but most of these people, without football, or basketball or baseball would be just another guy on the street. And what's most ironic about that is, they are the ones busily destroying the very mechanism that keeps them from being 'common'.

What was that Forest Gump said about stupid?

Yes, I understand where you were coming from. Just adding emphasis.

As Nagala you are indeed a rarity. Hope you have lots of kids and grandkids ... and that they learn the 'ways of the people'...

My people hail from Italy at the turn of the last century. I am considered white although actually very brown; I don't get it but the government won't listen!. I am a first generation U.S. citizen and American ... Not that the two are synonymous as so many L*****ts mistakenly think.

It's only in your L*****t Progressive Democrat world that Americans are useless. What I don't understand is why you persist in living in this horrible, horrible place that you so obviously h**e with a fired passion.

And to the contrary, thousands upon thousands of Americans do all of these things every day and have done for several hundred years. Your problem is the age old confusion L*****ts live with; you don't know the difference between a citizen of the United States and ... an American.

From the American perspective what you say is very true. That notwithstanding though, the low wages in this 'industry' do support many Mexican families. For them, the key is 'family'... It is not uncommon to see them pool their resources so to speak and work as a unit contributing the income to a pot. So while the individual might work below the poverty line, the combined income is not too bad. Americans gave up on this concept eons ago.

This argument becomes problematical when one considers the holy hell the L*****ts raised over low wages in the fast food industry not being sufficient to support a family ... Obviously, somebody thought McDonald's is a career on which to base a family. So why not picking fruit? Why I ask only rhetorically, are we not clamoring for $15/hour field wages?

It is unclear to me how farm subsidies, the government fly so to speak, will ever make small farms more profitable but that aside you are right; there is no question that someday probably sooner than later the fictitiously low prices we see at the old Super are going to rise up an bite us.

Hey Bad; I am NOT a Republican. A Republican is someone who dives under their desk when a Democrat enters the room. John Boehner and Paul Ryan are Republicans

And you don't understand what I said. Clearly, both sides of the magical aisle want this situation to exist - BUT, I reiterate, BUT - for very different reasons. The issues of law, crime, and punishment in this travesty unquestionably belong to the entire government who allowed it to happen and who permit it to continue.

Try this one; https://www.doleta.gov/agworker/report9/chapter1.cfm.

I think it's pretty telling when 80% of the workers come from someplace other than the U.S. and 75% of them claim to be Mexican ... Notice that in this report when asked about race half the sample didn't answer and 40 odd percent said white. That doesn't work because Latino's are white by the standard used. Well, you don't need a degree to figure this one out. It becomes very apparent very quickly that there are no white field workers to speak of today.

Actually, we should be focused on native-born American workers of any race, not necessarily white. All reports come up short on that group as well.

Here's another spin on the whole issue from the NY Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/us/suit-cites-race-bias-in-farms-use-of-immigrants.html. A little dated but still works today.

Exactly. And we could get to that CORE argument if we could ever get passed the propagandistic 'there are no Americans to do these jobs' tripe. It's correct to say there are no Americans who will, operative word w-i-l-l do these jobs because they are paid more not to. Why would anyone work for sub-poverty level wages when they don't have to? Simple answer; immigrants who have no alternative; who are openly invited into a system that abuses them. I find it ironic L*****ts are the first to accuse America of being a nation built on s***ery yet to this day it is they who coddle the practice.

As you point out, the artificially low cost of these products will persist so long as there is a ready workforce willing to work for sub-standard wages in sub-standard work environments and a willing politic to promote it. The Democrats are not the only ones who want to see continued 'porosity' at our southern border. I would really like to see that poor 'Bama farmers financials; see what he drives, see how he lives ...

This report is from 1980. It includes all agriculture employment such as owners, managers, supervisors, etc. So it follows that the majority of participants is white. This report does say that immigrant workers numbered around 400,000 in the 60's and declined to 200,000 in the 70's.

Here is a more current report from 2016 with data collected under government contract.

http://www.ncfh.org/uploads/3/8/6/8/38685499/naws_ncfh_factsheet_demographics_final_revised.pdf

Something obviously changed in almost 40 years.

I found it interesting too that technically, we don't treat these people any better than their own country; they are all held well below the poverty line, citizen or not.

Makes one appreciate those cheap sweet potato's that much more, eh?

You are a fully indoctrinated L*****t. I did not expect you to understand 'regurgitate', no L*****t does. I should have been more clear on that point. I say it repeatedly and often to remind right-thinking Americans of this insidious, L*****t tactic. I make no pretense of influencing a L*****t; that is impossible. I stand by my assertion that your feeble attempt with this simple-minded video supports the need for illegal, immigrant workers ... regurgitation of the Party Line in pursuit of wide open borders needed to swell the ranks of future L*****t, Proletariat v**ers. As with all L*****t Democrats, it is unlikely you realize you're being used within a collective.

"You don't hear democrats crying about that, do you? Well, wouldn't we if open borders was our objective?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? In what cloistered world do you live? Firstly, they don't "cry" about it because that would be political insanity akin to openly admitting they really do want to take ALL our guns, which of course they do. L*****ts are smart enough to know when to shut up and play the long-haul game; masters of the 'long lie'. You have of course studied legislation over the past 3 decades to obstruct i*********n l*w reform and have identified the obstructors? You have obviously missed the strictly L*****t movement within the country to move i******s into the mainstream of our society, to afford them benefits, the right to v**e? SANCTUARY even if they are known criminals??? What is the Party Line? Do you dare to ask? The Party would not be happy that you are asking; from their perspective, it's none of your business; just shut up and regurgitate.

A study??? A study??? Have you somehow missed the fact that a whole generation is wandering around (at a trillion $ in student loan debt) trying to figure out what they are here for? Who openly admit they will not do work beneath them? "I mean, why did I get a 5 year degree in Ancient Greek Philosophy, for God's sake; to pick fruit?" That 10's of thousands of a whole generation at 18-30 years of age live with mom and dad? (Obama didn't make the cutoff age for Obamacare 27 for nothing; needed to incentivize those v**ers you know) ... And yes, are too lazy to pick sweet potatoes - albeit for a greedy farmer who does not want to pay a human wage ...

And waited for with baited breath, the L*****t cop out when a L*****t does not have a leg to stand on "you are simply pointing fingers because you don't want them pointed at you." BLAME the other guy ... Make it look like the other guy is doing what you, the L*****t, is actually doing.

L*****t proletariat, the followers , by wh**ever name you call them; C*******t, Socialist, Democrat … know NOTHING about how money works. Nor do they care. The promise of Leftism is that you needn't know or concern yourself with such things. And the farmer in this video is using it to his full and personal advantage while contributing to the propaganda machine.

The largest generation in our history has been taught this in our public school, collage and university system. Along with America is Evil of course.

Interestingly if you look at the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) current data on the Labor Participation Rate you will note the the leading group in returning to the work force, in significant numbers, is people with no education or only high school. Labor … There are thousands of jobs (like harvesting sweet potato's for example) and no one to fill them. 24 year old millennial's with degrees in Ancient Language Arts or Philosophy and $100,000 student loan debt are sitting at home unable to find work worthy of their attention.

Gee, there you go. There are no Americans to do this work then … So I suppose if we close down the Mexican pipeline … we will just have to stop eating!

As for future v**ers, L*****t are patient. It's a long process to control all human activity. Think of the thousands of new 'Americans' that these i******s (not just migrant workers but all the i******s the Democrats are sheltering) will produce if we can just keep them here long enough to procreate. The proletariat could swell (no pun) by an order of magnitude.

I believe Immigration Services has a quota system with cut off dates. So the U.S. producer has to have his numbers in by a certain date. After that, there are strict requirements to be met by the immigrants themselves in order to qualify. Long and short, there is a ton of Red Tape. In today's climate of open borders and protections essentially guaranteed by the Democrat Party (laws? We don't need no stinking laws!) its easier to take the risk of being caught. Who's going to do anything about it? And for the workers it's a win-win; they make cash money, pay no tax, send it to Mexico ... If they get deported so what? They had no intention of staying anyway. If we would streamline our i*********n l*ws, get our own bureaucracy out of the way, this would become less of an issue. So, that said and the fact that the legal immigrant workers and their unions despise these people and don't want them here;

None of the foregoing addresses the core issue as couched by Peter S; that being the fallacy that there are no Americans to do this work. 50% of Mexicans attempt to live on less than $5/day. Another 30% on less than $15/day. The Mexican governing environment is so corrupt that these people have no hope of a better life. If you make too much anti-government noise in Mexico you and possibly your family will cease to exist. I don't blame them for wanting to come here. And we encourage them. They are fully aware that the gringo will not do this work because the gringo does not have to do this work; the gringo's government will take care of him allowing him to sit at home on his ass doing nothing, collecting income, rather than working for a paltry $7/hour.

Think about it this way; if Mexico becomes a prosperous country and these people have no need to come here ... who will do this work? You think it will get done or, will we simply quit eating?

Typically you choose to miss the point or obscure the reality. It is commendable that you raised your children to some work ethic. Many millions of Americans have. What you choose to ignore is that today millions of (alleged) parents do not. You will find the majority of these (alleged) parents are Left-leaning. Most recent generations have been and are being raised to understand that they are entitled to a higher lifestyle long before they earn it.

What is the purpose of this rather pedestrian video in your mind? It appears that you have a message that either a) Americans will not do this work or b) Americans are all so busy that there is no one other than the migrants to do the work ... Which is it? Actually, I believe its neither;

I would venture this is nothing more or less than a regurgitation of the Party Line in support of open borders and inflation of the proletariat ranks envisioned by the Democrat Party to create (future) Democrat v**ers. You have thus far made no argument here to refute this observation.

Good words “For beginners” - key in this discussion. When one is young one starts somewhere near the bottom and works up. This builds character, discipline and life experience. I believe what we see today is inbred entitlement (thank you, Socialists) ... as Mr. Croce said in Car Wash Blues “Tried to find me an executive position but no matter how smooth I talked they wouldn't listen to the fact that I was genius the man say, we got all that we can use.“ So the option in our entitlement society is – do nothing and certainly don't get your hands dirty for $8 an hour.

One has to wonder if there aren't enough young 'Americans' in the area, just starting out, to make short work of that mans sweet potato crop …