Group preparing to press military for atheist chaplain, source says


by Jim Angle
In what some might see as an oxymoron, an advocacy group apparently is preparing to ask the Defense Department to appoint a chaplain -- for atheists.

The Military Association of Atheists and Free Thinkers plans to make the request on Tuesday, floating its president Jason Torpy as the proposed chaplain.

Asked for comment, the association referred to its position in support of a prior bid to name a "humanist" chaplain. The Defense Department has not yet returned requests for comment.

But an aide to Rep. John Fleming, R-La., who last year opposed the creation of such a position, said Monday that the congressman is "aware" of the revived push and "very concerned."

The move would come after lawmakers, including Fleming, battled over the same issue last year.

Democrats tried, unsuccessfully, to pass legislation creating such a post in 2013. In response, Republicans offered up a measure of their own to prohibit the Pentagon from naming such a chaplain. The House approved the measure in July.

With Congress at odds, though, the Defense Department could decide on its own.

A separate organization, The Humanist Society, endorsed Oxford-educated religious scholar Jason Heap last year to be the first-ever humanist chaplain in the U.S. Navy.

The MAAF supported the application. All along, the group has argued that more people identify as atheists and humanists than any other non-Christian denomination.

But Republican lawmakers who have fought these efforts have described the push as nonsensical. The motto of the Army Chaplain Corps is, after all, "Pro Deo et Patria," or "For God and Country."

Fleming said last year that the idea of an atheist chaplain is "an oxymoron."

"It's self-contradictory -- what you're really doing is now saying that we're going to replace true chaplains with non-chaplain chaplains," he said.

But the MAAF argues that military chaplains are not providing enough outreach for those who do not believe in God.

According to research in 2009 by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute, about a quarter of military servicemembers who participated in the study said they had "no religious preference." More than 3.6 percent identified as humanist, while a little over 1 percent identified as pagan.

Several organizations and religious scholars have pressed the U.S. military to consider naming chaplains for those servicemembers.

"Such broad-based and growing support of professionals and experts should make it easy for the Department of Defense and the Navy to open their doors to diversity of belief that includes humanists and other nontheists," the group said in a statement last year.

I have found over the years many situations of this nature. I've seen several situations where cops were part of a murder. They have harrased me many times even as a teenager.
I learned in order to beat them you have to have guts. Like all thugs they fear pain. I had to make an example out of them twice. You better mean what you say. I never packed a gun with the intent to harm any man till the law tried to get me out of the way. I was warned by a cop friend they were going to k**l me and plant a gun on me. I realized that
I had to take it to them the last thing they expected. So when I showed up armed & ready to fight, they were very nice. Thug cops are cowards. I was prepared to die for my freedom & they knew it. If freedom is worth dying for in Nam, it's worth the same price in my home town. Take it to um if that's what it takes. You can loose your freedom on your own doorsteps just like any foreign country.

Call the Cops at Your Peril

Paul Craig Roberts

“Live free or die” is the motto of the state of New Hampshire. I hope the residents are
prepared to die, because living free is not what they do. NH is merely a cog within the
Amerikan Stasi State, but I am referring to what goes on within NH itself, not the police state existence imposed by Washington. On May 5 attorney William Baer was arrested at a school board meeting at which he went over a 2-minute speaking rule while trying to get some explanation from the Gilford, NH, school board for assigning sexually explicit reading material to his 14-year old daughter’s English class. The evasiveness of the school board angered Mr. Baer, and he spoke out again in support of another parents protests, and was promptly arrested by a goon thug cop. http://www.dailypaul.com/318393/fox-news-to-interview-william-baer-father-arrested-in-new-hampshire-for-going-over-two-minute-rule-in-school-board-meetin

The school board chairman, Sue Allen, who has no legislative power nevertheless managed to create a law backed by police violence. After all if Bush and Obama can create laws by edict, why not a school board chairman? Under Allen’s edict, if a parent violates the 2-minute rule that Allen imposed, she has the parent arrested. The goon thug cop wasn’t embarrassed to arrest a parent for making a legitimate complaint during the public comment period of a school board meeting.

Remember, we “freedom and democracy” ‘mericans have free speech and protest rights. Actually, don’t remember that, because you no longer have any such rights.These rights are dangerous. They enable terrorists and extremists such as those dangerous people who don’t believe The Government.

This is Amerika today. Mr Baer offered no resistance, but nevertheless was lucky that the goon thug cop did not taser him, pepper spray him, and call for a backup SWAT team to beat him senseless or even murder him.

Last month wedding guests at at the San Luis Hotel in Galveston, Texas, were set upon
without reason by 34 crazed goon thug cops. The guests, including the father of the bride and the bride’s brother were brutally beaten and maced along with many guests including 13 who were arrested for asking, “what is going on?” The brother was so badly injured by the goon thugs that he had to be rushed via helicopter to a hospital.

The mayhem resulted from an off-duty goon thug witnessing a guest walk outside with an alcoholic beverage, thus violating the city’s “open container” law. Instead of advising
the guest of the open container law and recommending that he step back inside, the goon thug called the cops who arrived on the scene in mass and enjoyed themselves by beating up the wedding party.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/galveston-wedding-beatdown/

No charges have been filed against the goon thugs for gratuitously beating up wedding guests. The right of cops to beat and murder the citizens who pay their salaries is now a perk of the job. It is necessary in order to keep us safe from criminals and terrorists, descriptions that are ever expanding.

Don’t expect courts to put any restraint on police and prosecutors. Dave Lindorff and Molly Knefel have given accurate accounts of the frame-up of Cecily McMillan by a corrupt prosecutor and a corrupt goon thug. McMillan was convicted on the false charge of assaulting a police office when the goon thug seized her breasts from behind. The judge, Ronald Zwiebel, enabled the conviction by preventing the defense from showing the evidence. The gullible and very stupid jurors made certain that injustice was perpetrated. Now a young woman who was sexually assaulted faces a seven-year prison sentence for “assaulting” a goon thug. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38424.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/07/kangaroo-court-convicts-occupy-protester/

This is Stasi Amerika today. And it gets worse. In Aliquippa, Pennsylvania, Eileen Battisti, a 53-year old widow, had her $280,000 home seized by Beaver County officials and sold at auction for $116,000 because of an unpaid $6.30 interest fee on the late payment of her school district taxes. A corrupt judge did not insist upon justice for the widow but instead upheld the robbery that benefitted both the county and the purchaser at auction of her home, S.P. Lewis. Lewis offered to sell the widow her home back for $250,000. http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/eileen-battisti/

To see what cops are really like, read this: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/justice-for-arzy/

Wh**ever you do, never call the cops. However bad you might think the situation is, it
will be much worse once the goon thugs arrive: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/candy-middleton/

And do not show any compassion for animals. Showing compassion for animals is proof that you are an animal-rights extremist which lumps you in with terrorists. In Albion, Michigan, extremists who feed a stray cat are fined and locked away for three months. Mary Musselman, an 81-year old Alzheimer sufferer was locked away for 90 days for feeding stray cats on her own property. When you see a starving animal, turn your back and walk away. Your inhumanity will be rewarded but your humanity will be severely punished. http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/albion-michigan-cat-feeding/

Just keep in mind that “we have freedom and democracy” and we are “the exceptional and indispensable people.” Our president told us so. This designation removes you from any responsibility to other humans, much less animals. Don’t lose sight of the fact that Amerikans are so exceptional and indispensable that we have murdered seven entire countries in the new 21st century, and we are just getting started. As it is perfectly acceptable for Amerika to murder countries, how can it possibly matter if a goon thug cop murders you, your pet or your wife or husband or daughter or son?

What is so discouraging is that this article could be hundreds of thousands of pages long. I could sit here writing this article for the rest of my life, adding one incident after another, and not get beyond the tip of the iceberg.

The inhumanity of which Americans are capable and indulge in every day must scare Satan himself.

Parents arrested for protesting the assignment of pornographic reading material to 14-year olds by school boards, elderly and ill people imprisoned for feeding starving animals, pets murdered by police who are supposed to protect the citizens but instead mace them, beat them, body slam them, and shoot them and their pets gratuitously for the thrill of committing violence against life are the reason the public sector is in disrepute.

The worst people in the country are in our public institutions. This is why there is so little sympathy for the public sector unions now under attack by the Republicans. Americans look at their county commissions, their city councils, their criminal justice (sic) system, their governors, state legislatures, Congress, and the White House, and all that they see is evil and corruption.

There is nothing else there.

Americans who trust the criminal justice (sic) system are completely stupid. A case of
mass wrongful conviction that I wrote about years ago finally came to trial last November. Annie Dookham, a Massachusetts state chemist who falsified drug tests, thus sentencing thousands of innocent people to years in prison, destroying their lives and the lives of their families, was sentenced to 3 to 5 years in prison. Dookhan sent thousands of innocents to prison in order to aid prosecutors in attaining high conviction rates and in order to achieve her own rise as a highly productive state employee. The judge noted that Dookham had cost the state millions of dollars in settling wrongful convictions and had shaken to the core the integrity of the criminal justice (sic) system. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/11/22/annie-dookhan-former-state-chemist-who-mishandled-drug-evidence-agrees-plead-guilty/lhg1mwd9U3J8eh4tNBS63N/story.html

State officials say that Dookhan’s f**e evidence could have tainted 40,000 cases. Ask
yourself, what kind of person would destroy so many people in order to advance herself? And progressives think that the public sector is the answer.

You can ask the same question about the New York State Police and the Texas police who dropped little bags of ground up wallboard in cars stopped at random, conducted illegal searches, and arrested the occupants for drugs. Hundreds of innocents were convicted until finally one brave public defender demanded presentation of the alleged drugs and had the evidence tested. It came back: wallboard. All other public defenders had accommodated the conviction scheme and arranged plea bargains for their clients. You can read about these and other atrocities in my book, coauthored with Larry Stratton: The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

It only gets worse: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38446.htm

It is truly amazing the delusion of the left, that supplants and poses as "education" and "research" and as always, with an absolute disregard of outcomes.

The reality is: The Dems own the s***es once again... and they meant to. Here is one of your heroes: “I’ll have those ni--ers v****g Democratic for the next 200 years.” Lyndon Baines Johnson about the Great Society plan."

There, is your parties platform, and the reason for the division of the country.

So there you have Lyndon Johnson confessing frankly his own lust for power, and his means, in part, of acquiring it by taking advantage of b****s’ weaknesses, in the democratic strategists minds. The quote doesn’t go into the explicit details, but it is apparent the LBJ saw the "war on poverty" as, giving b****s government cheese to have them eating out of his hand and giving them jobs on the government plantation to create an army of African s***es happily v****g Democratic for 200 years. LBJ baited traps, for people he saw, and the democrat party leadership saw as rats and vermin.

The reason, obama, and the others whom you pledge fealty to are in trouble, is becuase they "lie". That IS the democrat party, the party of the lie, sycophantic followers, then pick up and parrot the lies, but it doesnt change them from being the lies they are.

And as someone has mentioned, I am a cheyenne, and live on a reservation. I have seen liberal policies, and democrat n**is in action. (The reason for the continued destruction of the black family, black cities, indians, and anyone on welfare)

The "War" on Poverty, women, and rights is from the left.

You truck drivers, have the best of worlds. You get paid to see this country and enjoy the freedom to fit in with all kinds of different sub-cultures that most of us do not. You have a better feeling for the tone of this country than any one else. You guys and gals, should be speaking up more often about the problems you see, and the ideas you have to fix them.


Don't you get together once in a while and grip about the way things are that are hampering your concept of the way things should be? When it comes down to it, you people are best able to control how the country goes and how people feel about it. Make sure you come to some idea and V**E the wrong guys out and the right guys in. A socialist type government will ruin your liberty. You will be so controlled,(and probably are already) that you livelihood will be threatened to the point that the government will step in and develop driver-less trucks, and you will be telling your grand-kids how it used to be.

"it along with thousands of other fed laws are against the USA constitution" the only way it should have been enacted years ago was by a constitutional admendment which there is a provision to do so. The founding fathers were smart enough to know that as the counry grew and spread there would have to be an avenue to make additions to the constitution to maintain a growing nation with issues that were not even thought of at the time. Very smart idea from these guys so many years ago. They would be so upset if they could see what has happened to the Greatest Document to govern a true free people in the history of the world. If anyone wants to have a business, it should be his or her decission to pay their employees wh**ever they want. If they have problems keeping workers, it should be their decission to raise their pay. Not the government. If the states want to impose a minimum wage, that would be a state decission not the federal gov. A one size does not fit all. The present wage, which is against the constitution anyway, was never intended to be a living wage where" bingo" now i can buy a house or new car etc. It was a beginning point to learn and advance to gain expierence in the working world and work your way up the ladder of success to achieve the american dream. Having a mandated starting wage as high as 10 bucks keeps most people in a low confort zone where there is no incentive to move up. How sad. My first job was 50 cents a day pulling weeds when i was 8 years old. At 12 i was washing dishes at cafe for 1.15 an hour. Became journeyman printer after high school. Got raises on my performance. Then the homes and new cars came. The old American way was to earn your way. The income difference in this country is because the higher the minimum wage keeps people lock in a low wage job where they don't look for anything better. Again. How sad. I remember how America used to be. You earned what you have and were taught at home and school how to get there.

Canadian oil

For those that think the Republicans are the fat cats of politics, please read this........(Eye opener)
Hmm... this is 'interesting'. Kind of adds a little 'dimension' to the topic--
like "the Rest of the Story". Kind of tarnishes the 'environmental' platform!

Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad owns all of the rail lines in the US connecting to western Canada and they haul 80%+ of the crude from Canada to the midwest and Texas or charge other Short Line railroads a fee to use their tracks.
BNSF charges $30 per barrel to haul the oil where the Keystone would cost $10 by the State Departments own estimates. BNSF is owned by Berkshire Hathaway whose chairman is Warren Buffet.
In the last e******n cycles Buffet gave extensively to democrat causes and candidates including $40K+ to Obama in 2012. He also bundled and hosted numerous fundraisers for Obama. If anyone here believes the pipeline isn't being blocked by Obama on Buffet’s behalf you're nuts.
Buffet could stand to lose $2B+ a year if the pipeline goes in and he makes the same amount every year it's delayed. This is crony capitalism at its finest and what is making people mad at our government and capitalist system.