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Nov 1, 2013 14:57:39   #
hprinze wrote:
I find it amusing that the politicians are trying to start up Obamacare after their records of complete failures in running Social Security, the post office Fannie Mae, freddie Mac, Medicare, medicaid, and so many others.

One that comes to mind is the department of energy, a forty year old government bureau that was established to lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil. What it has accomplished is to grow into another huge government bureau with 16,000 employees, a huge budget of an unknown amount, and has taken the great majority of our corn crop to make ethanol, a product that wastes more energy to make than it prodeces, lowers gas mileage, damages gasoline engines in older cars, boats, lawn mowers, tractors, etc.

There are so many other government boondoggles that the chance of Obamacare being anything other than a boondoggle that will cost the American taxpayers trillioms seems extremely remote.

I do believe that Obamacare will succeed in its real purpose:

To grow the government, give government more control over people, cost the taxpayers dearly, create another gigantic government bureau, take yet more individual freedoms from people, and to destroy the world's finest system of medicine and healthcare.
I find it amusing that the politicians are trying ... (show quote)


I almost agree with everything that you have stated in your post here with the exception of one thing. The worlds finest system of medicine and health care.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of the practices in the system do work but are unnecessary. I will explain and I wish more people would see this to be true.

The medical industry is the 3rd largest industry in the world. They have their roots dug in deep and wide spread. The dem's have forced obamacare into action, now the rep's are not doing anything to fight it because they are investing in it. If we are to have the best medical system in the world, then our government would mandate the drug industry to come out with the cures they are hiding. If the cures were to be brought out, health care would not have gotten as expensive as it has. The reason why neither party wants the cures to come out are simple. They both are lobbied by the drug industry and both are invested in the drug industry. They will lose money if they mandated the FDA and the drug ind. to come out with the cures they already have and covered up.

So they put on this insurance fiasco that one party pushes into action while the other pretends to fight it and then decides to stop fighting it because they are now investing in it. One more step in taking peoples rights away while they get more control and richer. These 2 parties are working together behind the scenes to split the nation and divert our attention from the real underlying problems. It is just a game to them to see how fast the people would willingly give up their free will as they slowly take every right away one at a time.

Bottom line, if we want change in every aspect in our government on how it performs, then we need to change ourselves. It can be real easy to do.
1) Do not re-elect anyone in office for the next 3 terms of each branch.
2)Force our government to put mandates on the drug industry to bring the cures out and quickly.
3)Put mandates on the food industry to stop l***hing out all the nutrients by how they process the food. Route of all illness is malnutrition.
4) make it so if a politician is not representing the people of their district, the people can evict him from office in a relatively shot period of time. WE HIRE THEM WE FIRE THEM.
5) elect more parties into office like ind's and green or any other in greater numbers than there are now to throw off the overwhelming power the 2 existing parties have over the people.

I can go on and on about the things we can do that will take our government back away from big money, to down sizing government, and down sizing big money. When they get too big then it just invites corruption. No one organization should be allowed to get so big where they will have the power over the people for their own greedy agendas.
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Oct 22, 2013 08:56:05   #
Miss Brandi wrote:
The very first thing we need to do is abolish the E*******l College. Make the actual v**es of the people decide who is v**ed in. Second, abolish the federal reserve. Third, pass a constitutional amendment outlawing lobbyist and PACs, and severely limiting the power of special interest groups. And limit campaign donations and spending. Fourth, term limits and financial accountability for all elected/appointed government officials. Fifth, no retirement benefits for government official. (this would not apply to government employees). Sixth, repeal Obamacare. Seventh, abolish the IRS and implement a flat tax federally. Each state should only collect sales tax. Eight, reform education. Nineth, Combine and streamline federal law enforcement under the DOJ...this means DHS, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, ICE, etc. and pass laws that limit the power to infringe upon civil rights.
Tenth, abolish CZARS. I know I have said all of this before, but it bears repeating. And these suggestions are just the beginning. The more we can simplify and require REAL t***sparency with our government, the better.
The very first thing we need to do is abolish the ... (show quote)


The very 1st thing that we need to do is to convince the people not to re-elect anyone in office. I mean none of them. That would be the quickest way to get the attention of all those that are ellected that we aren't going to put up with the childish games that has been played for so long. 2nd thing that needs to be done is to v**e independent and green parties in office as well as other parties in far greater numbers. Then a balance will be made out of the chaos the 2 party system has intentionally created together to split the country.
These 2 things will make a more immediate change and send a huge message to all members in congress and the world that WE THE PEOPLE are taking back the power.
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Oct 9, 2013 12:26:36   #
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
AntiPropaganda,
Finance and Oil, They are hand in hand. That is exactly what I was bringing about in my earlier posts. Wheels are in motion to replace the US Dollar as a Global Reserve Currency. IMF is advocating it again (last time IMF chief Dominic Strass-Kahn was set up and disgraced--source in my earlier post).
There is a bubble and it is going to burst.


There is no doubt about that at all. It's a matter of time and 60% unemployment will result from it. That will be the time that you will need to help your neighbor and family and work together as a community to get through. Did you read my post at the top of page 6? There are other factions involved all working together for the same agenda. If one is confronted and meets it's demise, there are others that will keep their socialistic agendas going. Organized religion, the drug, oil and financial industries are only but a few that are involved. They want a crisis to come to create chaos so it gives them a reason to set up martial law to instill total control over the masses. They will get that if people resort to violence. That is why all of our efforts will have to be dome peacefully even if those in power try to provoke violence like they did with the Wall street protesters when they sprayed them with pepper spray without any provocation from the protesters. They wanted the people to r**t to squash them and blame the people for it.
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Oct 9, 2013 11:33:34   #
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
AntiPropaganda,
I suppose my long posts are to what you are referring. If that is the case, I would love to hear your feedback on the points raised.
Getting thumbs up is nice (thank you posters) but I seek a much deeper level dialog on this thread topic "The Sacred Cow No One is Talking About", and I appreciate NightStalker beginning this thread.
My thought was to bring willing participants up to speed, for many have not heard the term PetroDollar before, so that we could engage much deeper into the Sacred Cow.
I do want your thoughts on my 'long posts'. I can feed just bits and nuggets at a time; however, as I have repeated in my long posts there is so much more to this subject, I was just scratching the surface. The source material is not right or left leaning perspectives. In most cases we can go to the source documents.

I am sure you are capable to using Thomas at the Library of Congress to research, but for many other posters this may be the first time they have seen this link.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php

Common terms like SCOTUS, POTUS, and USAID I'm sure you understand; well, perhaps I am being too pedantic.

I apologize for my long posts. I was hoping for better interaction on the issues raised. Solutions, I have some idea, however after the issues are understood we can share thoughts.
Tim
AntiPropaganda, br I suppose my long posts are to ... (show quote)


Pardon me if you took offense to my statement. I have no problem with long posts when information is brought out to people that may not know of such things. I put on a long post here and got no response to it and that's fine.
I have heard of the petrodollar yes. After WWII the world leaders had meetings to discuss world commerce and were looking for a way to make it easier for trade in general and they settled on the US dollar. Oil was the biggest commodity. So now a simpler system was set up, it made it an easy target for the greedy lusting for power and control to take it over. The 2 largest industries in the world that make money off of everyone and every business are the financial and oil industries. They pull all the strings and make all the rules on how the world runs. They work hand in hand. The problem is they were allowed to get too big and powerful and naturally other rising powers don't like the fact that they have no control over how things are done in such cases and feel it as a threat to their own national securities. Now they have the power to do something about it and are by trading with each others outside of the old system and have the influence to give other nations options they may feel will benefit them better. Will it create chaos? Of course. Those in control of the petrodollar will do just about anything they can to keep that control wanting the world to submit to their agendas only. If they control the oil, they control the world. That is why we need to bring out forbidden green technology that will put an end to that control. No one entity should have that much power. Perpetual generation is the cleanest and free energy that can be used in homes, cars, planes trains, etc........ Absolute free continuous clean energy. If we fight to bring this forbidden technology to be produced, our costs of living, manufacturing will reduce so the common people can afford more amenities and our products can be more competitive on the world market. With oil out of the way, there would be less reason for wars.
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Oct 9, 2013 11:00:11   #
Floyd Brown wrote:
I have to say that you put it out there right. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Someone needs to. I am waiting to find others that want to actively and are brave enough to put it on the line to start movements in a peaceful manner over violence. Violence as a last resort in defense only. I would like to be a part of a movement that helps humanity move forward. The big money greedy few that think they are better than the rest because they have money and power will destroy humanity and are the biggest hypocrates in human history. If they succeed in their socialistic goals, it will only last for so long. That's because history shows again and again that revolts will inevitably arise and they will fall again. They do not learn from the past and that is just sad and insulting of the human race and intellect.
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Oct 9, 2013 10:13:09   #
Mom8052 wrote:
As one of the TROLLS.....I am a true believer.
1) I do believe I have a right to say what I believe is true.
2) I do not believe that you have opened your mind to what others are trying to say.
3) I do believe that you are very narrow minded.

(FACT)The US Government is not allowing any more mining claims on over 300,000 acres in the Western United States.
(FACT) The US Governments DOD is longer selling spent brass to Ammo Manufacturers here in the US(which has been what has been done for years), but shredding it and selling it to China.

This Troll is tired of the negativeness of people like you.
This Troll is tired of your snide remarks, that reflects your negative attitude. Open your mind, and try to understand the meaning of our statements.

Don't try to walk over my bridge, if you don't have an open mine.
As one of the TROLLS.....I am a true believer. br... (show quote)


I think he is referring to those of us that put long posts on, but I agree with you. I was hoping to find people on here that want to take an active role in solving the issues our government has created in our country. Instead I find that most on this forum are addicted to drama and love pointing fingers instead of doing something about it. Others post sites with great information, but still have no suggestions as how to resolve the issues we are facing. Bottom line is; If anything needs to get done, it has to be WE THE PEOPLE to do it.

One suggestion here for the ammo shortage; for those of us that are for the 2nd amendment should sell or trade our scrap brass and copper to the ammo manufacturers. Trade our scrap for ammo seems to be one logical solution.
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Oct 8, 2013 12:32:24   #
I have been reading all these posts and many good points were stated. I have been making connections all of my life about things that have been going on from history up to today. There has been civilizations that have risen and fallen that are not in the history books. They have risen and fallen for tens of thousands of years before written history. Discoveries are being found of ancient cities under water that have existed during the ice age. There are events that are recorded in ancient Indian and Chinese records that are dismissed as myths or pure legends. There are t***hs behind those stories. The cause of their demise I will not get into right now, for most of you will not want to try to believe. Now most of you if not all believe that the new world order is just now starting. That is not so. It is said that all the prophesies will come true when the NWO comes to existence. Well the prophesies have been coming true for almost 2,000 yrs now. It has gone unnoticed because of it being on a small scale, but as the population rises and new technology comes out, they are becoming more noticeable and on a grander scale. This is where and when the NWO started: When Constantine won the war to take over the Roman empire, he told the church to come out with one book to supersede all the books that were out there to put people under one rule. From there the Catholic church rose to power, that was the first branch of the new NWO. They spread throughout the land and over seas. When the Nights Templar that were doing some of the crusades for the church got too powerful, the church with the French went after them. So the Templars had to go underground. When settlers started to come to North America for freedom of religion, that is when the church started to lose their power over the people. Then the American Revolution happened and the constitution was written, the church had no say at all on how the people were governed. The free masons( the Templars) played a huge part in our constitution to prevent tyranny rule. Other governments started to adapt that policy sfter that. So the NWO had to create other branches to get back control. Shortly before Lincoln took office, they were organizing and making their move. When Lincoln declared war and used the freedom of s***es as a cover to hide what the true reason was. To keep the nation together and solidified big government that are controlled by big money organizations. Now the NWO has the foothold on America that they want. I read here that someone say something about freedom of speech, well it's not as free as you would like to think. The biased medias will censor anything they do not agree with that might go against the agenda of their affiliated parties. One of our founding fathers once said that the fall of our nation will be caused by a two party system, that is not the exact quote but you get the point. It was also said the diversity makes us stronger, but there is no diversity in our government with a two party system working together to split the country in two creating chaos. There needs to be four or more parties in our government to have that diversity and to create more of a balance. For those that believe " I am just one person, I can't change things", yes you can. If all those that think that did what I am about to suggest then, yes WE THE PEOPLE can make a difference. Here they are;

1) Do not re-elect anyone in office so big money has to start over with their legalized bribes. Elect other parties in, in greater numbers.

2) Support Mom and Pop shops AKA privately owned business' so that new innovations can come out for humanities benefit instead of being stagnated by the monopolies that are now in charge. It will also keep the local economy going.

3) Create a forum that public views and concerns can be posted and evaluated and in some cases after the evaluations are done are v**ed on by the public as to how our government should be ran. This to ensure that freedom of speech is secure and not censored.

4) All governmental activities should be televised and recorded at all times to ensure our freedoms are not c*********d by shady deals behind the scenes.

5) Stop buying products and services from the monopolies to cut them down to size if not bankrupt them, so they no longer have the power to sway our government in any way.

6) Set up a forum that is like a watch dog that people can post any shady dealings that corporations may make that will harm peoples health, wealth, freedoms and the environment that can be investigated and dealt with accordingly.

7) Force a mandate on monopolies that hide useful innovations for g***n e****y like perpetual generation and force the drug companies to bring out the cures that they cover up and hide. All things of this nature.

8) Make sure all laws, existing and new are put in a language that all citizens can understand and change as the needs arise. Also all new bills put to the floor gets v**ed on for their intent and purposes, not to be held hostage by earmarks of any kind. Otherwords, no ear marks added whatsoever.

There are many things that can be added to this list, this is just a start of the things that WE THE PEOPLE can start with.
I have to leave now for awhile. I look forward to any comments to this post when I get back and will reply to those that have something intelligent to say.
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Oct 8, 2013 10:19:26   #
jetson wrote:
I remember one night, I was coming home from work in the early sixties, when my headlights came upon two large white mules running, on my side of the road. They were both white. I was so close to them, all I could see was mostly their rear ends. I didn't not have time to turn away from them. I can still see those mules in my mind today. All of a sudden I was past the mules. I do not know how I got past them. I do not remember passing by them or seeing any other parts of them. Another time I had a tire leaking down. I drove up to this garage, to have it checked out. As I was walking, to the open door, to the shop two big dogs came running out, with teeth showing. They were snarling and growling, but as I turned my left shoulder to them they slid within two feet of me. I had turned, to prevent them from jumping in my face and throat. When I looked back down at them, they had stuck their tails between their legs and were running back to the shop, as if they were afraid. There was no one at the shop. I don't know where the owner was. So, I went down the block for my tire repair. Has anything happen to you similar to this. I give this credit to guardian angels. What else.
I remember one night, I was coming home from work ... (show quote)


Take it like this. There is work that you need to do before you pass. Guardian angel may not be what you think it is, but at this time it's ok to think that way.
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Oct 7, 2013 11:16:00   #
rhomin57 wrote:
I did not read your link, as reading your post didn't think I would need to. I agree with your post wholeheartedly. Our Govt is out of control, and it will take some time to get it back into control. The govt is ours, the peoples, that is what v****g is for. Taking hold of the corruption in the v****g process, before we v**e again, is a must. Shutting down economically illiterate Govt peoples, starting with the spoiled rich kid- Pelosi, is a start. Keeping our eyes open, and speaking out, rather than sitting under the manipulated veil of the Obama Admin. is another start. Standing behind Govt peoples putting their reputations, jobs, on the line to create a "start point" is right, for now, until we v**e again.
I did not read your link, as reading your post did... (show quote)


It does not have to take time. We can get their attention extremely quickly if we organize a planned protest and have several people designated to speak for the people after we get their attention. This is how it can happen; every body in this country with the exception of emergency responders and utility employees go on a one day strike. It should be obvious as to why those 2 exceptions should work. The rest of the people strike for a day and head to city halls, governors mansions, the capital and do a peaceful protest of "FOR THE PEOPLE". When the country grinds to a halt because people are not at work that means no commerce and revenue reaching the government, then they will see that we have the power over them. How? We hit them where it hurts them and their big money affiliates the most, their pockets. I can't stress this enough though, it has to be peaceful protests no matter how the law enforcements try to provoke violence by using gas or pepper spray. Keep it peaceful then they will be the bad guys if they do, like when they tried used pepper spray on the wallstreet protesters. This is what needs to be organized to show our government that we mean business. They can't fire the whole country for going on strike, they would get no revenue at all then and big money will have to go bankrupt.
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Oct 7, 2013 01:10:55   #
How about until the next e******n that we demand the government to listen to us? Here's how to do it. For one day everybody except emergency responders and utility workers take one day to strike. Everybody decides on one day to strike and bring the country to a halt. That will get the governments attention extremely quick. That's one day of no commerce and revenue reaching the government. When they see that we can be organized to do such a thing and they don't listen then we do it for 2 days a week if we have to. They can't fire the whole nation for striking one day, if they did they get no revenue at all. Believe me that is the best way to get their attention to listen to the people since money is all they listen to, so why not hit them where it hurts them the most their pockets.
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Oct 7, 2013 01:01:42   #
Thinkmanvt wrote:
Won't that be something -- Obama would have more Congressional experience than anyone in the House and a third of the Senate. He would be the voice of wisdom!


If you elect all new people in, then he will have no friends ti work with. Sounds good to me. For the next 3 terms do not re-elect anyone. When they realize that they can't make a career out of politics, then they will start representing people again instead of big money
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Oct 3, 2013 20:27:53   #
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
??? My comments are not appearing where I was posting.???


mine did that too once.
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Oct 3, 2013 20:11:12   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Ron Paul says GOP is not serious about spending cuts! http://www.cnbc.com/id/101080844


Neither party is serious about it, it's all smoke and mirrors. Ron Paul never made the national news for running for president because the media wants to keep it a 2 party system even though his nomination ball was bigger than both Bush's and Obama's.
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Oct 3, 2013 20:04:26   #
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
What most of the general public doesn't realize is that both political parties are controlled, via "suggestions" from big money interests, what they want done in government. I'm going to sound like a conspiracy nut, but if you researched the Bilderbergers, and the CFR, you'd get a better understanding of why we no longer have a government of the people. Washington has been totally corrupted by Big Money, and the New World Order proponents wanting to control everything on this planet. It's all about money and power.
What most of the general public doesn't realize is... (show quote)


You're right and it's because it's a 2 party system and they work hard at trying to keep it that way. They make it hard for new parties to form and run for office by making it so that they have to get so many signatures to even be able to register their party in each state. Both controlling parties play good cop bad cop and take turns at it. If they didn't take turns then the bad cop one would stop being elected, then it would be a one party system. They work together behind the scenes constantly deceiving the public and dividing them. There is no checks and balances in our government, it's all one sided. They use smoke and mirrors to let people think that they are representing their constituents when they are just playing a game. That's all it is, a game. That's why there needs to be at least four different parties or more representing the people. Then maybe real work will get done there and a balance can finally be achieved.
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Oct 3, 2013 18:46:59   #
DennisDee wrote:
Its actually consistent with the Dem strategy. Appeal to the very rich and very poor and attack the middle class


They work together for their greedy wants behind the scenes while splitting the country to the extremes. They make it look like there is no common ground while they both profit from each others actions.
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