permafrost, the problem with believing in concrete values and absolutes is that one cannot drop them, as there would be nothing left of that individual but a hollow worthless shell.

Values like the marriage of one man to one woman, and the sanctity of the life of an unborn child are permanently ingrained.

As the apostle Paul said, we should please God and not man.

Unfortunately, these are the very values that the progressives and media shrilly proclaim are "extreme."

These are the values that label a person radical and far right.

So be it.

God can change the outcomes of e******ns, as the Bible says, "the prayers of the righteous availeth much."

The Almighty can, however, choose to give us what we deserve, a president who reflects the values of too many of his people...

In the present situation, we have a president whose ideology "surpasseth all understanding," including that of all thinking citizenry.

Giving up eternal values to win an e******n equates with giving up eternity for a bowl of porridge.

Pragmatism only travels so far. Eternity is a longer journey.

T***hfully no.... our system was never perfect and will never be perfect.... a constitutional republic is an experiment not tried before, it is ever evolving.... for the right to claim we have chaos is a poor excuse for not getting your way, like it or not we share this country with many others who have wants and needs that may differ from yours, The claim to " take our country back" is one of the most foolish, selfish, self centered comments to date, you are trying to take back something you never had, As an American citizen all you have is the right to obey the laws of this land... Other wise you can leave and go some where better or prison , you are free to choose what you want to do, everything else you obey the law and pay your way.

emarine, at present, everything changes daily, (especially the ACA rules/regulations/laws).

Mr. Bundy has been in court continually for twenty years contesting the B*M.

Have you looked around lately?

For some strange reason, we do indeed have chaos - throughout the government and throughout the land, caused not by the citizenry, but by the White House, and it's accomplices.


zim,
Marine had an excellent point. The only chaos we seem to have is either people calling themselves patriots while breaking national law, and those like yourself who wish to promote propaganda against the leaders of our nation.

Think about it.
You hadn't noticed?

Homestead, I can not believe you are serious. Who would I take a bullet for? Only one of my family, bullets do bad s**t to people. Are you saying you would take a bullet for a criminal? I would have given you more brains than that.

I do not read the NYtiimes, I watched the live video of Bundy standing on a boulder and spouting his diarrhea of the mouth.

Why would I care in the least what anyone else thinks about him, I am well able to make up my own mind, and I did that about a week ago. Before any of the BS got out to the right wingers.

Most of what you so briefly mention in you paragraph is incorrect. You have latched onto the BS as you were meant to and regardless of what I or anyone tells you, that is what you will believe.

I have nothing to add, most should know my opinion now, I have posted on at least 8 of these threads the forum has put up.. Not about to change my mind any more than you will..

So Albert, you enjoy being lied to. R****m has nothing to do with it. Just maybe you need a litter history instead reading the last 25 years of democratic talking points. As far back as:

The first African Americans to serve in the United States Congress were Republicans during the Reconstruction Era. After s***es were emancipated and granted citizenship rights, freedmen gained political representation in the Southern United States for the first time. The Compromise of 1877 initiated the period that followed, known as Redemption among white Southerners. White Democrats regained political power in state legislatures across the South and worked to restore w***e s*******y. Democrat state legislatures reduced v****g by b****s by passing more restrictive e*******l and v***r r**********n rules, amending constitutions to the same ends from 1890–1910, and passing Jim Crow laws to establish racial segregation and restrict labor rights, movement and organizing by b****s. The Democratic Party essentially dominated the "Solid South" until the 1960s. As a result of the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the U.S. Congress passed laws to end segregation and protect civil rights and v****g rights.

Yep...you bet!! This one person represents the views of tens of millions of Americans who want a government that doesn't have it's finger on every aspect of their lives. He stated exactly what ALL republicans, and ALL of the tea party movement think. They are ALL r****t, h**e women, and all government. For an independant, your question seems a bit left leaning to me. It covers three of the lefts main talking points against republicans, and they are all false. This is just one guy who opened his mouth, and stepped all over his own junk.

As an independent reading your diatribe, Southern, I must say, I fail to see itemized the intense hatred this president and his administration bears toward America's citizens.

After you've castigated an eighty year old, hard working American who is trying to make this federal government abide by the constitution, and apply a miniscule amount of fair play to all it's legal citizens, please examine those who currently reside in Washington, D.C. with that same merciless spotlight.

As an independent American, I'm proud of Cliven Bundy, and both the Republican party and the hundreds of individual Tea Party organizations across the U.S. should be equally proud.

The Media has been in a feeding frenzy misrepresenting his remarks on our nation's minorities, but anyone who searches the internet for ten seconds can find Mr. Bundy's entire unedited remarks:

http://www.infowars.com/black-marines-cliven-bundy-is-not-r****t/

He is NOT a r****t.

That is reserved to our current president, his administration and all those who blindly follow them as they divide this nation.