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Aug 1, 2022 23:38:21   #
dibaniba wrote:
Sorry...a f**r e******n is worth all those things


By definition then you subject people who have a right to v**e the prospect of not being able to v**e. This is classic disenfranchisement and you don't care because it doesn't impact you. This mindset is part of what is wrong right now.
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Aug 1, 2022 22:34:51   #
dibaniba wrote:
Why not?


Documents required, how far you live from the location, expense of the ID, ease of access are all things that can make it difficult.
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Aug 1, 2022 21:46:03   #
dibaniba wrote:
No Way Jose
ID's are used for many things...easy to get! V***r f***d has been proven and should be stopped!


The ID's are not always easy to get. That is my point.
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Aug 1, 2022 21:14:34   #
dibaniba wrote:
You are on some kind of something if you don't agree with V**er ID for e******ns. v**er ID's are used for most important things...it is not a red side of the street issue. Most v**ers don't want people to c***t when they are
v****g .


Most people don't want c***ting to occur. I don't necessarily have a problem with ID'S, however I do have a problem when the requirements to obtain an ID or the manner in which someone can get an ID are repressive for the sole purpose of making it harder for segments of the population to obtain the ID. That is illegal.
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Jul 31, 2022 20:26:17   #
nonalien1 wrote:
Absolutely


Interesting that the most of fraudulent v****g that I have heard about was actually by Republicans.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:46:15   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Ignorant dips**t, the E*******l College IS a core principle of the constitution, as is the RIGHT to v**e.

The POTUS is the only federal officer elected by all American v**ers.
What may be called the "popular v**e" is limited to the residents of the several states in electing those to represent them in the HOR.
The ratification of the 17th amendment destroyed the authority of the US Senate to represent their state legislatures.


The E*******l College prevents one region from dominating the governance of our Republic
By David J. Bowie, Dec. 18, 2019.

Article II Section 1 of the constitution established the E*******l College for the e******n of the president and vice president. However, there are those who believe that this institution is outdated and should be abolished.

During my career in State Government, I learned one very important lesson: The numbers don’t lie. So let’s take a look at the numbers.

As of 2018, the population of the United States is 327 million people, and the combined population of the top six States, as e*******l v**es are concerned is 135,486,171 and the total number of E*******l v**es totals 191.

While not minimizing the importance of the 191 E*******l v**es, consider, for a moment, the future of our republic if 135 million people decide the fate of approximately 200 million people. From my perspective, this is a scenario that is just too frightening to contemplate.

The Founding Fathers, were men of extraordinary wisdom and insight, and it was their belief that the “playing field” should be level and that a particular geographic area of the country would not have undue influence on the outcome of an e******n, simply because of their population. This was the rationale behind the formation of the E*******l College.

Imagine, if you will, the republic that the Founding Fathers fought and sacrificed for reduced to a majority-driven democracy. Do we dare contemplate the possibility of social policies being decided on the whim of misinformed or uninformed e*****rate? I can’t, and the possibility frightens me in ways I can’t and don’t want to imagine.

Our constitution was written by remarkable men, of extraordinary and amazing wisdom and intelligence, and it does not need to evolve, change or conform to the whims of radical factions in our society.

Although it cannot be confirmed, Thomas Jefferson was believed to have said that democracy was equal to mob rule. The very concept threatens the fabric of our country.

The American people must not be duped by shortsighted and diluted people who would seek to undermine the ideals and principles that are at the very heart of our great nation.

Why the “National Popular V**e” scheme is unconstitutional

The U.S. Supreme Court says each state legislature has “plenary” (complete) power to decide how its state’s p**********l e*****rs are chosen.

But suppose a state legislature decided to raise cash by selling its e*****rs to the highest bidder. Do you think the Supreme Court would uphold such a measure?

If your answer is “no,” then you intuitively grasp a basic principle of constitutional law—one overlooked by those proposing the “National Popular V**e Compact” (NPV).

NPV is a plan to change how we elect our president. Under the plan, each state signs a compact to award all its e*******l v**es to the p**********l candidate who wins the national popular v**e. The compact comes into effect when states with a majority of p**********l e*****rs sign on.

In assessing the constitutionality of NPV, you have to consider some of its central features. First, NPV abandons the idea that p**********l e*****rs represent the people of their own states. Second, it discards an e******n system balanced among interests and values in favor of one recognizing only national popularity. That popularity need not be high: A state joining the NPV compact agrees to assign its e*****rs to even the winner of a tiny plurality in a multi-candidate e******n.

Third, because NPV states would have a majority of v**es in the E*******l College, NPV would effectively repeal the Constitution’s provision for run-off e******ns in the House of Representatives.

Fourth, NPV requires each state’s e******n officer to apply the v**e tabulations certified by other state e******n officers—even if those tabulations are known to be fraudulent or erroneous. Indeed, NPV would give state politicians powerful incentives to inflate, by fair means or foul, their v**e totals relative to other states.

Don’t changes that sweeping require a constitutional amendment?

In answer to this question, NPV advocates point out that the Constitution seemingly gives state legislatures unlimited authority to decide how their e*****rs are appointed. They further note that the Constitution recognizes the reserved power of states to make compacts with each other. Although the Constitution’s text requires that interstate compacts be approved by Congress, NPV advocates claim congressional approval of NPV is not necessary. They observe that in U.S. Steel v. Multistate Tax Comm’n (1978) the Supreme Court held that Congress must approve a compact only when the compact increases state power at the expense of federal power.

NPV advocates may be wrong about congressional approval. It is unclear that the justices would follow U.S. Steel’s ruling now. The Constitution’s language requiring congressional approval is crystal clear, and the court today is much more respectful of the Constitution’s text and historical meaning than it was in 1978. Moreover, you can make a good argument that U.S. Steel requires congressional approval for NPV because NPV would weaken federal institutions: It would (1) abolish the role of the U.S. House of Representatives in the e*******l process and (2) alter the p**********l e******n system without congressional involvement. Furthermore, even the U.S. Steel case suggested that compacts require congressional approval whenever they “impact . . . our federal structure.”

A more fundamental problem with NPV, however, is that with or without congressional approval it violates a central principle of constitutional law.

The Constitution recognizes two kinds of powers: (1) those reserved by the Tenth Amendment in the states by reason of state sovereignty (“reserved powers”) and (2) those created and granted by the Constitution itself (“delegated powers”). Reserved powers are, in James Madison’s words, “numerous and indefinite,” but delegated powers are “few and defined.”

A state’s power to enter into a compact with other states is reserved in nature, and it almost always involves other reserved powers, such as taxation and water use. Such was the compact examined by the Supreme Court in the U.S. Steel case.

As for delegated powers, the Constitution grants most of these to agents of the federal government. However, it also grants some to entities outside the federal government. Recipients include state legislatures, state governors, state and federal conventions, and p**********l e*****rs.

The scope of delegated powers is “defined” by the Constitution’s language, construed in light of its underlying purpose and its historical context. If state lawmakers or officers try to employ a delegated power in a way not sanctioned by its purpose and scope, the courts intervene.

For example, the courts often have voided efforts to exercise delegated powers in the constitutional amendment process in ways inconsistent with purpose or historical understanding. This is true even if the attempt superficially complies with the Constitution’s text.

Like a state legislature’s authority to act in the amendment process, its power to decide how e*****rs are appointed is a delegated one. In exercising it, the legislature must comply with the overall purpose of the p**********l e******n system and the historical understandings surrounding it. For example, the Founders, including those who approved the 12th amendment, designed the system to serve multiple interests, not merely candidate popularity. And they conceived of an e*****r as a person who acted on behalf of the people of his state—much like a legislator, but with more limited functions.

In deciding how e*****rs are appointed, state lawmakers may choose among a range of procedures. But they have a constitutional duty to choose a method consistent with the e*******l system’s purpose and design. Attempting to convert e*****rs into agents of other states—like selling them to the highest bidder—would be an unconstitutional breach of public trust.
Ignorant dips**t, the E*******l College IS a core ... (show quote)


I would not put it past the current Republican Party to figure out how to game the system even worse than they already have.
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Jul 27, 2022 17:32:57   #
Simple Sam wrote:
First, the e*******l college is the body that elects the president, not popular v**e. There are two states that are not 'winner take all' Maine and Nebraska. There have been four presidents who DID not win popular v**e: Bush, Harrison, Hayes, and Adams.

As for two sets of e*******l v**es, yes....it happened in 1969.


Trump - 2016
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Jul 17, 2022 23:31:39   #
Capt-jack wrote:
I see you are an atheist!! All most every Capital building in America has IN GOOD WE TRUST on them, and It's on our money. Shell we grind it off all the Government buildings? Reprint our money?
I hear Cuba has no such thing as well Russia, you should look to moving to one.
Any Government without knowledge of God will fail and fall into a dark place, just look at what went on in the Soviet Union, they band God.


BTW - what makes you think I am an atheist?
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Jul 17, 2022 17:57:18   #
Capt-jack wrote:
I see you are an atheist!! All most every Capital building in America has IN GOOD WE TRUST on them, and It's on our money. Shell we grind it off all the Government buildings? Reprint our money?
I hear Cuba has no such thing as well Russia, you should look to moving to one.
Any Government without knowledge of God will fail and fall into a dark place, just look at what went on in the Soviet Union, they band God.


It came 1st on the 2 cent coin in the late 1800's and on paper money in the mid 1950's. Under God was added to the pledge in the mid 1950's.
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Jul 17, 2022 13:21:20   #
eagleye13 wrote:
No "Establishment" of a State religion is what Jefferson was writing about.
Aparently you do not know much about Thomas Jefferson, and his beliefs.
A good start would be the book 'Thomas Jefferson, The Magnificent Populist.


This will be a rant, just so you know.

Apparently you believe you are the only one that knows anything - unless someone agrees with you. I haven't studied Jefferson, and probably won't study much, although I will read up a little more for my personal experience.

Churches and religion need to stay out of politics. I do understand that the Establishment Clause was intended to not foster a state religion, but by promoting Christianity and driving that into our legal system that is what is happening. In my opinion, once a church enters the arena, and especially when they preach the way to v**e, they should loose their tax exempt status. I don't care about the belief system as long as they don't preach it to me and inject it into our politics. Keep their hands, laws and minds out of our personal lives, bedrooms and medicine. Go to church on Sundays and pretend to be "Christian". I am of the opinion that many, if not most, are hypocrits. This is a personal observation and not based on studies. I believe any church that helped fund pro-birth organizations should also loose their tax exempt status. I think that any judge that uses Christianity, or any other religious beliefs, as a basis for their decisions should be removed from the bench.

SCOTUS is driving us back to at least the 1950s, if not further. Nothing that has occurred in the past 70 years will be left standing if they get free reign. We will go back to white male landowners being the top of the food chain. We will be allowed to pollute ourselves right out of existence. And America, as I knew and understood it, will be lost. I am not looking forward to that. I do not prescribe to the "new" constitutional theories that are being espoused. I think the Founding Father's are rolling over in their graves and wondering how the hell we got here.
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Jul 17, 2022 07:42:29   #
bggamers wrote:
Then maybe its time to push back!!!


1st Amendment with the Establishment Clause definitely was intended for that. Jefferson's letter brought that into focus.
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Jul 15, 2022 19:14:00   #
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Pretty subjective answers and nothing direct. By the way, B******i happened under the watch of our SOS, Hillary. I don't need to remind you who was President at that time.


I was talking about all the investigations that proved zilch.
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Jul 15, 2022 18:41:06   #
son of witless wrote:
" I envision a disaster coming, and see little way out. I also envision, if the Republicans gain full power, a sh*tshow of reprisals against anyone who was not with them. This will rachet the country into a non 1st world country status on the international playing field. "

You should go on a comedy tour. It is Democrats who are demolishing the US of A as a first class power. Their Marxist Base openly h**es our Military and Police Forces. Their Stupid G***n E****y-G****l W*****g idiocy is destroying our economy. They selected a senile old geezer as their puppet President. With his Afghanistan Disaster and Hyper Inflation and out of control Mexican Border, he is the poster child for incompetence in Leadership.

He is backed up by a woman solely selected for her race. It's a question as to which of them is a bigger dufus.
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You may want to check out what Matxism is really about. The Democrats are not even close.
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Jul 15, 2022 18:39:00   #
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Let me take a moment to address some of your concerns.

(1) Christian right encroaching: It may escape you but this Country was founded on Christian principles. The encroachment has been the left's encroaching by gaining control of public education and the effort to k**l any hint they see of Christianity; Prayer, homeschooling, any benefit to being a Christian.
(2) Trump causing division: Any division has resulted mostly due to Trump's policies not aligning with the left's idea of what they should be.
(3) Alignment with a con-man: Many of Trump's practices are not those that would be preferred by Christians. However, a few that are and which are very important are his love for America and his ability to lead the Country.
(4) Reprisals: You may have forgotten but the left are the ones who exercise reprisals, a la cancel culture, fraudulent Russia-gate investigation, fraudulent J** 6 c*******e, 2 fraudulent impeachments to name a few.
(5) Global Economy: It is true that the g*******ts have moved us closer to a global economy. Of course we have seen a few of the problems associated with that, such as loss of jobs overseas, the microchip problem, dealing with those who h**e us, etc. Trump was in the process of rectifying some of this but Biden has since negated most of Trump's gains. I don't think I need to list all of the problems Biden's train wreck has caused. Perhaps we can gain back some ground starting in November if crystal ball predictions materialize and if it isn't already too late.
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1) You forgot about the separation of church and state. Some of the signers were Christian, some were atheists, some were deists and, as I recall, there was at least 1 Jew. The separation was a big deal.
2) BS. If his policies had been grounded in rational thought, probably would not have as much problem. Tariffs on China raised the price of our imports, so the consumer ended up footing the bill. Mexico has not put a red cent into the wall.
3) Trump loves himself most of all and he couldn't lead his way out of a wet paper bag.
4) Remember B******i?
5) I can't think of a single policy that helped us economically, but maybe I just don't get it. Hell, Trump doesn't even have his products made here.
Regardless, I am done with this.
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Jul 15, 2022 12:20:17   #
eagleye13 wrote:
"You have your reality bubble and I have mine. It may be best left there" - Elrond51

You just need to pop your bubble, Elrond

Deal with reality.
That is the best way to deal with reality.


I would suggest the same for you. The reality as I see it is that the Christian Right is encroaching into the system and driving their view onto the rest of the country. Trump was a useful tool for that. This has created more division than I have seen, and I was around for the Vietnam era. How they could align themselves with the con man is beyond me, since he exhibits every behavior that they supposedly are against. I envision a disaster coming, and see little way out. I also envision, if the Republicans gain full power, a sh*tshow of reprisals against anyone who was not with them. This will rachet the country into a non 1st world country status on the international playing field. Like it or not, we have a global economy and society which we will not be part of because of our squabbles, both internally and externally. We have all entrenched ourselves into our position and there seems little hope for reconciliation or compromise. This has become increasingly clear to me over the past several months.
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