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Apr 25, 2021 18:42:12   #
TexaCan wrote:
Oh my goodness, little man......how often does this little macho act of yours work for you? 😉

Do you really think that you can demand or belittle me into playing this little game of yours? Your attempt to bully any one of us will not work! Stop making a complete A@#$ of yourself and trying to impress others of your immense knowledge of the Bible and this authority that you have claimed for yourself!

After spending a couple of hours reading the Cult site, it’s clear where your knowledge comes from! Your attitude, your twisted view of scripture, is spelled out in that site!

BTW! There are millions of us that agree with each other......we are not ashamed when we say AMEN and AMEN to another person who has shared The Word and that we agree with! This is nothing more than an overused ploy used by many to abuse, embarrass, and to control! You’re not our first rodeo! 😎
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Thanks for your Christ like reply. So now let's see....
Humm a cult?

Let's see a cult is something which always requires the members to read writings outside the Bible.
Have I ever recommended any outside the Bible reading? No, but several times here I have been told if I would just read a certain list of commentaries then I would understand things like the one making the recommendations does. Hum??

A cult is something in which the leader makes non Biblical statements and the followers simply agree.
Statements like "Abraham was saved just like us" or perhaps that our Lord Jesus Christ who spread His precious, shed blood on the Holy Places in Heaven did it with "human blood."

A cult is something that can easily be defeated with plain old scripture, that is if you can get the cult members to engage in scripture.
Why do folks here run backwards from scriptural discussion?

A cult is something in which the following has a set of talking points, but refrain from scriptural discussion by ducking, dodging and directing inquiries to previously stated long winded exhaustive narration.

A cult likes to accuse others of doing exactly what they are by attacking them personally like the democrats accuse others of doing what they themselves are actually doing.

Why is asking someone to put their money where their belief is by calling attention to Matt 5:42 set you folks off and termed games and tricks. My goodness people if you really believe something stand for it!
Wow, you hold that verse in front of a bunch of non dispensational replacement theologian covenant following cultist and its like holding up a cross in front of a satinist.

This visit I've made to this site is kinda like watching the riots on Fox News. I never knew folks could behave in such fashion.
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Apr 25, 2021 08:58:57   #
Rose42 wrote:
You only speak for yourself. Just because Texacan isn’t going to answer you doesn’t mean she is a follower of anyone but Christ. The lady definitely has a mind of her own.


Ok, great, I'm quite sure if anyone has a mind of their own they won't be reluctant in making their own thoughts public.
Therefore I expect TexaCan's response soon.

But you are correct, I only speak for myself; now I ask can you speak for yourself?
Since I'm sure you would also claim to be a follower of Christ, you should have no problem in following Jesus' instruction below.

On the basis of Matt 5:42 please send me $1,000. If you agree I will give you my bank's routing number and then they will give the funds to me.

This is not a game, I'm serious. You can easily see what is copied below, I'm the one who asks you.

42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Matthew 5:42

The thought just occurred to me, if TexaCan can speak for herself, why are you speaking for her?
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Apr 25, 2021 07:45:14   #
TexaCan wrote:
Yes, I agree with Zemirah! If you didn’t understand her explanation I suggest you go back and read it again!

She’s always quite clear in her explanations! Her knowledge of the Bible is unequal on this forum.......and I’ve been here 7 years! IMHO


No I don't understand her explanation, however it seems you do.
Therefore I would like your explanation. We don't have a priest, surely Zemirah is not your spokesperson in these matters.

You say you agree with Zemirah, then you are saying Jesus had human blood.
I'm only asking you to explain in your words, with your scriptural support, how human blood got into Jesus.
I want to know how much theology you have on your own, if you can think for yourself or if you are just a follower of Zemirah in what she says.

If you say:"Just read Zemirah's reply" then we know Zemirah is your priest.
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Apr 24, 2021 19:09:39   #
TexaCan"I do have a group leader.........Jesus Christ! My study manual is the Bible........I use my NIV most of the time, but often compare with my husband’s choice of a KJB!"

Great! Do you agree with Zemirah that Jesus had human blood?
If not, why not disagree with such a statement?
If you do, please supply any scriptural proof from any version you wish.
This is not a tactic or foolish game, it's the normal way the Bible is discussed.
Why is asking for scriptural proof a foolish game?

Rose42 "I’m not going to argue with you."
Why is asking for scriptural proof of a Biblical matter arguing?
Why is asking a question arguing?
Why is carrying something to its logical conclusion putting words in someone's mouth?
God gave us a mind, are we to just blindly accept a statement without following it to it's conclusion?

IF JESUS HAD HUMAN BLOOD, IT HAD TO COME FROM A HUMAN!

Looking back on other threads seems the normal thing here is to just "amen" anything someone says.
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Apr 24, 2021 18:13:22   #
Rose42 "You reap what you sow. Are your thoughts original or are you a Ruckman parrot? See how silly that is?"

Yes I do think it very silly. Have I ever written "Ruckman says......"? No
Have you ever given me a list of commentaries I should read. Yes
Have things been written here that are "outta" the Bible? Yes because they sure aren't in the Bible.

Rose42 "No one has suggested Mary was impregnated by a human."
Zemirah said Jesus had human blood and no one but me disagreed.
Tell me Rose42, or anyone else for that matter; how does Jesus get sinful human blood from the Holy Ghost?
Rose42 do you believe Jesus had human blood?
Man is inherently a sinner. Man is not a sinner because he sins, man sins because he is a sinner.

Rose42 "There is no group leader here. We have all disagreed at some point. No one here thinks they are above anyone else - except you."
Why is it that no one here besides me takes exception to the statement that Jesus had human blood?
Does no one have any respect for the deity of Christ?
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Apr 24, 2021 09:45:58   #
TexaCan wrote:
Glad to see you’re following the Ruckman playbook! 👍😉

“A true theology is based on the word of God, not on the sayings of a group leader.” Excellent advice from you......... And yet your words are the same as your leader!


Yet more off-handed disparaging remarks. Does no one here have any knowledge of the scriptures?
It matters not who one follows or reads, what matters is scripture!

TexaCan prove you can discuss scripture, so far all I've seen is TexCan't.
The subject at hand is whether or not the blood of Christ is human or from God. Can you prove with scripture that Mary was impregnated by a human? That's from where human blood comes.

Do you have anything of scriptural substance to offer at all?
Many comment saying I am abrasive, while all I get is negativity. Heritage and heresy are close cousins.
Christ was very abrasive with false teachings.

Have you ever had an original thought, or are you just a parrot for the group leader?
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Apr 24, 2021 08:30:24   #
Rose42 "Nonsense. Ruckmanism explains many of your posts."

Well here is your great chance. From what little I know of Ruckman's life many debated him and tried to prove him wrong, the problem was he knew more scripture than them and they never succeeded.
BUT ROSE42 here's your chance.
All you have to do is prove with scripture that Jesus had human blood!!!

So far the only basis for theology I've seen here is traditional phrases. Some traditions are scriptural, but many are not.
Why am I demonized when a non-scriptural tradition is exposed? You say your non-denominational, however most non-denominational churches I've visited are generally pretty scriptural. They have left the denominations to escape traditional teachings found in denominations.
Do you regularly attend a physical gathering of members of the Body to fellowship and discuss the word of God?
Sometimes non-denominational means a bunch of mis-fits have gone off on there own and have a feel good religion permitting everyone to just believe what makes them feel good.

Saying Abraham was saved just like us is one thing, many folks have never deeply studied what God's word says about the method of OT salvation. Scriptures presented on the subject are just ignored and the messenger is attacked.
If I'm wrong I want to know it, but I want the scriptures showing I'm wrong; not just someone saying I'm wrong based on traditional teachings.
However saying Jesus had human blood is quite a DIFFERENT matter. This degrades and belittles the deity of Christ!

Rose42 this is your chance to shine! The only place to get human blood is from a human.
Show with scripture which human impregnated Mary.
Do you honestly believe the Holy Ghost implanted human blood in Jesus?

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Matthew 1:20

A true theology is based on the word of God, not on the sayings of a group leader.
Someday we are all going to stand at the Judgement Seat of Christ and give account of how we handled the Word by the way we handled the word of God, not by how well we defend something spoken by another human.
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Apr 22, 2021 21:24:29   #
Rose42 "Its called Christianity. How you came to the conclusion that she is saying Jesus’s father was human is beyond me. "

It's called deductive reasoning, that's when on the basis of a statement you make a logical conclusion.
Zemirah said Jesus had human blood, which is something I've never heard claimed before.
Now one must ask: Where does one get human blood if not from another human?
And since science tells us the blood of a baby comes from the male rather than the female.....Well what can I say, 2+2 generally equals 4.
You say it's called Christianity, however many Bible students would term most thoughts I've read here as a Christianity based on traditional teachings rather than scripture.

Rose42 perhaps you can answer this dilemma of how Jesus could have human blood when He was conceived through the Holy Spirit.

Some religious sects see no power in the blood. Since no one here, save one, has ever revealed what group they follow, I'm just wondering? Christian Science maybe?
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Apr 22, 2021 21:02:35   #
Zemirah "Oleg, for your soul's sake, read the Bible through your own eyes."

Be glad to do that, perhaps you might direct me to the Biblical passage saying Jesus had human blood.

Oh yes, I really don't believe my souls in danger because I do believe in how He died, was buried for 3-12 hr days and 3-12 hr nights, then rose from the dead.
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Apr 22, 2021 06:59:12   #
Zemirah "The blood Jesus shed was human blood."

Are you saying Mary, the mother of Jesus, was impregnated by a human, maybe Joseph? Was this human blood the blood used to cover the Holy Place in Heaven?

You do have a strange belief system, I wish you would give it a name.
Perhaps it's the commentators you read, some call them common taters just trying to make a buck.
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Apr 17, 2021 08:06:45   #
Peewee wrote:
I agree, but more Jews and Muslims are turning to Christ of their own free will. China already has the largest underground Christian church in the world. When the USSR fell it had 7,000 churches and 4,000 were in Ukraine. Today it's 30,000 and within 30 years they expect to have 70 to 80,000, and maybe those 4,000 in Ukraine again.


That's great, I've heard the same of prisons, not those kind of numbers; but folks from all walks of life turning to the Lord. Prisoners are hard to witness to, they know the Bible better than most because they have a lot of reading time; but they are mixed up on the application.
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Apr 15, 2021 17:05:31   #
God is not finished with Israel.
We must not practice Replacement Theology by applying the doctrines to the Jews in the gospels to the Church.
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Apr 12, 2021 13:51:45   #
Jesus Christ shed His blood. It was God’s blood. If not then any man could have been His Father.

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:12-14 -KJV
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Apr 7, 2021 09:12:01   #
Zemirah wrote:
Oleg, Your insistence on playing games with Gods precious Word is an enterprise in which I won't engage.

Your confusion is your own choice, as is the childish mockery and ridicule with which you accompany it.

You have displayed the versatility of a one-trick pony, belittling the time honored King James with your idolatrous misrepresentation of its teachings, strengths and weaknesses.

This is an online forum where we are not teachers, but equals.

Normally there are no teachers, however, compared to you, all are.
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Ok, great. I did not come to teach, but to learn other's thoughts. Right from the first I was told that viewing the Bible through the eye of dispensationalism is wrong. Ok, if I'm wrong I want to learn what is correct.
The only way to learn other's thoughts is to ask, so I asked, but no answers followed.

I explain the difficult passages to myself through the eye of dispensationalism, how do you explain them?
How do you explain that no bride is mentioned in Jesus' wedding parable of Matt 22?
How do you explain whom are the guest of the same parable?
How do you explain 5 virgins being taken and 5 left behind in Matt 25?
How do you explain Jesus telling a man to keep the Commandments for eternal life?
How do you explain Paul answering the same question with a completely different answer?
How do you explain Jesus saying He will catch out some folks AFTER the abomination of desolation does his thing in the Holy place?

How can I find out what others believe if they are not willing to answer the hard questions?
Why is asking the hard questions called playing games?
Why is carrying a statement to it's conclusion a game?
Why is one supposed to follow the traditional line of thinking and disregard a whole body of scripture?
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Apr 6, 2021 17:27:07   #
Rose42 wrote:
Like your ridicule?

Whether one believes in pre tribulation rapture or not has no bearing on whether they will be saved.


Never said it does.
I believe no one can be in Heaven kneeing at the Throne of God in the presence of God without being cleansed by the blood of Christ.
I believe man cannot spread the blood of Christ before God said it was shed.
I believe every person in the Bible reaches full and complete salvation by doing what God told THEM to do.
God told Adam & Eve to put on these skins and they did.
God told Enoch to come on, let's have a little walk, and he did.
God told Noah to build an ark and he did that work.
God told Abraham to leave his homeland and he got up and left.
God told Abraham to sacrifice his son Issac, and he showed the willingness to do it.
God told Moses and the children of Israel to do the works of the Law and they did. Every time they followed the correct teachings of the Law, they were keeping the Law just like when we go pay a speeding ticket, we are keeping the law. Let's not confuse keeping the Law with not sinning.
Jesus told the apostles to follow Him, and they did.
Jesus told a man to keep the Commandments, don't know if he did, but do believe he could get forgiveness by doing the works of the Law.

I believe that everyone mentioned above was saved from hell if they did what God told them to do and kept in comfort in Abraham's bosom until the blood of Christ was shed.
I believe during the three days in the tomb Jesus went down to Abraham's bosom, preached to those in captivity, spread His shed blood upon them, and carried them away to the Throne of God.
I believe we today are saved by only believing in HOW Jesus died (He bled to death), that He was buried, and on the third day He rose from the dead.
I believe Christ demonstrated great Faith in God that God would raise Him from the dead.
I believe that now we are justified by the Faith of Christ (Gal 2:16) no longer depending on our own weak faith that has to be shown by works.
I believe there are works involved in complete salvation and the Holy Spirit does all the work for us.
I believe that everyone today who believes in how Christ died, was buried, and rose again is in the Body of Christ.
I believe that one day soon the Lord Jesus Christ will call all the Body, the Church, up to meet Him in the air before the Jewish Times of Jacob's troubles, the Tribulation, begins.
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