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Louie 27; I consider you a friend because you post on this board. I happen not to agree with your assessment because of my engineering background. I studied several courses in college while acquiring credits towards my engineering degree that focused on 'strengths of materials'. These courses are also called mechanics of materials, is a subject which deals with the behavior of solid objects subject to stresses and strains.These courses included relative strengths.....compression, tensile, torsion, melting points, moments of deflection and 6 other stresses.

JP4 or JP5 jet fuel are both highly refined forms of kerosene, with additives inserted into these fuels to enhance ignition, and prevent gelling from temperatures. These fuels ignite and burn at a temperature of around 1700 to 1780 degrees Fahrenheit. Core 10 steel (structural steel beams used in the construction of high rise buildings will soften and melt at temperatures of around 2700 to 2800 degrees Fahrenheit. Please explain to me, in a rational manner, how JP4 or JP5 jet fuel can soften and melt core 10 steel beams in a sufficient manner to allow a high rise superstructure to collapse within its own footprint. I will look forward to your explaination! Thank you!

I ran across a website that I thought would be a good topic to share with the members of this board. I see many arguments on this site between people that consider themselves Conservatives and others that consider themselves Liberals (Progressives). This argument is fruitless as we are now considered chattel (owned subjects) of the Illuminati. These elites have drastically pulled the wool over the eyes of everyone of us.

Attached, you will find many 'facts' that will stun you and I am sure, cause each of you to wonder 'What the hell happened' to what we consider our country. Read these 'facts' and feel free to post your thoughts. Thanks!

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. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (B****s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (P**********l Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg.113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914

6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)

8. There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

9. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)

10. According to the GATT you must have a Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

11. We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System. *

12. The UN is a One World Super Government. *

13. No one on this planet has ever been free. This planet is a S***e Colony. There has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations. *

14. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

15. Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619, Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

16. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

17. You own no property, s***es can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

18. The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

19. The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24)

20. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

21. You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

23. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

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eagleye:
Great topic! Thank you for opening the door on the FED and letting the light of day shine on them. One of the best sources on this topic is a book written by G. Edward Griffin titled 'The Creature of Jekyll Island.

Can buy the book from Amazon: http://amzn.to/1kJzFEW

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Polfnick:
To further substantiate your post, we have to wonder why General Carter Hamm was immediately relieved of duty during this fubar event? He planned to go against the 'stand down' order and foment a rescue operation. SOMEONE did not want a rescue operation to be performed and immediately relieved him of duty as Commander of CENTCOM, responsible for military operation in Africa.

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Permafrost:
Let me get this straight, if you cannot slander a man's ideas, slander his character. Did I understand this correctly. You are one sick bastard!

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Moldy; The only thing wrong with your post is the American people are pissed off enough to get the masses out to v**e and you damned sure can believe it will not be for Hillary or Bernie. The people of this country do not want more of the same BS the current Administration has ushed into this country. No more, and are ready to do what is necessary to prevent 4 more years of the same. These masses will also hold any Republican President's feet to the fire. It will no longer be acceptable for either party to ignore the will of the people.

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RWNJ]:

This is an astute observation! The establishment Republicans sold out the v**ers long ago. They know if Trump gets the nomination for the Republican ticket, their power is diluted and this scares them.

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KHH!:
Where should I ship your crying towel? You will need it, when the Hillarymister goes down in flames. America is waking up and there will be enormous pushback against such ideas. Enjoy while you can.

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Raylan;
Actions speak so much louder than words. DHS is in lockstep with this administration. So you post a CNN article as a rebuttal. You do know that CNN is one of the most supporting news outlets for any and everything progressive in the US. You accept at face value that this article speaks the t***h. You accept that DHS speaks factually. This is the same group that has moved rapidly to insure illegal immigrates obtain green cards when illegally crossing our border (do not believe that you can refute this), have vilified returning veterans as a terror threat, & have dismissed i******s crossing our border as not a threat. Are you kidding me. And you do not see any problems with this?

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DamnYANKEE:

Have you noticed a conspicuous absence of any of the left red progressives that choose not to read this article, or comment on the articles contents; they continue to defend the Administration and its minions? I find that telling, in fact, very telling.

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Raylan;
Is that the best you got? I made a simple statement that rings of total t***h, and you get offended. You can dish it out, but have a hard time taking it. Very thin skinned. Your stats are no where realistic, your source is suspect and when you are called out, take offense.

You would be far more credible if you did not sound like a propaganda minister. You attack conservative points of view without rational, spew your venom in the form of personal attacks and attempt, not to rebutt the theme of a dissenting post, but attack the poster. I can debate your ideas and not attack you. Try it, it may make a world of difference in how you are received

Today Fox News release information attained from a DIA document dated September 2012, shows that the Obama Administration and the Department of State had information 10 days prior to the B******i attack that weapons were being shipped from the port of B******i to Syria and an attack was planned against the American compound in B******i. Everything told to us by this Administration has been fabricated BS. See for yourself:

http://video-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xaf1/v/t42.1790-2/11213430_1085717868110314_1113913907_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjM3MCwicmxhIjo3NDcsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoicmVzXzQyNl9jcmZfMjNfbWFpbl8zLjBfc2QifQ%3D%3D&rl=370&vabr=206&oh=fce9b42a48bd74a7f3442d7f907c6175&oe=56562BA5

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Hey Partner: Follow the money surrounding c*****e c****e. Remember the carbon tax that was trumped as being the salvation of the world, and prevent c*****e c****e. I find it misdirection and you do know that a bank located in Chicago was the institution that would issue the permits and exemptions for this tax. Remember Al Gore sounding the alarms on c*****e c****e; all the while running to the bank with wheel-barrows of cash for his efforts. Forgive me for being a cynic.

NOAA data was deliberate doctored to 'prove' the existence of c*****e c****e. Scientists, not under the influence of the Bilderbergers and other elitists, has totally refuted the existence of man made c*****e c****e.

Possibly a criminal investigation should be launched into the ridge of high pressure that exist over the states of Oregon and Washington that could have been caused by HAARP bombardment of the ionosphere with high megawatt power. Why has this high ridge of Pressure remained in the exact location for the past two years without moving around. Nothing in nature would allow for such a phenomenon; Bombardment by the Alaska based HAARP array would keep this ridge of high pressure in the same location. The supporters of C*****e C****e are in control of the HAARP array in Alaska, and its primary function is to 'change w*****r p*****ns'. The net result is a draught of major proportions by altering the patterns of the jet stream that usually drops far more south over the North American continent and brings in moisture from the Pacific. The status today, is lack of rain and water authorities in California are now pumping ground water from the aquifers. I find it amazing that not one of the 43 water districts in California is owned by a US corporation , but foreign entities. Again, follow the money.

Now, the main puppet in chief, is voicing another misdirection statement. His handlers are trying to give him a new narrative, but it equally weak and non-substantive. What a non-event.

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Raylan Wolfe:

Partner, you don't have the mental facilities to make a realistic argument for this statement. You source noted is suspect. Just more huff and puff from you.

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truckster bud; Great minds think alike. I posted something similar one or two pages back and could not agree with you more. Thank you, my friend....keep sharing the reality.