Only a fool would think otherwise

Stick your head back in the sand, Katfish, then you will never know when your freedoms are gone. You need to study history if you don't think we will turn on each other.....it happens (and has happened)all through history. I believe it's happening in Syria and Egypt and other African and Middle Eastern countries right now. What is the leader of a country's biggest fear? That the people will turn on him in civil unrest and revolution. How do you prevent that? By keeping the civilians happy. But what if the leaders policies don't make them happy? By taking away their weapons and having a fully armed m*****a to quell any and all r**ts (like Tianemmen Square in China). Why do you think it can't happen here?

I think that any critically thinking person can come to no other conclusion, Alene49.

Yet we still have all those Obama supporters that refuse to see the signs that he makes so obvious. It reminds me of "Don't bother me with facts, my mind is already made up". If anyone thinks he is not gearing up for a government takeover of our country they have their heads in the sand. At the very least, we should be preventing anything like that from ever happening by demanding t***sparency and accountability from our leaders. Sadly, we treat them like royalty and blindly trust them.

Roy, that's a good point about the Democratic Socialist Party and it's Marxist underpinnings. I really don't understand how these two think free enterprise and socialism are not in direct opposition to each other. Hoodnik and Cherdo, please do yourselves a favor and spend about a half hour googling those two terms and you will see they are diametrically opposed. If you try to get a hybrid of the two it just won't work because there will always be a battle over who is in control: the market or the gov't.

Well, I have heard of Sweden and I'm not too sure Sweden has anything to offer that is better than the U.S. except a much higher tax rate (and we're trying to beat that). So, no, I don't think I want to be like Sweden but you're more than welcome to move over there and leave democracy and free enterprise here with us

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Well, Chard, I guess the obvious t***h is that we are so polar opposite in our political philosophies that what, to me, seems factual and common sense seems to be nothing more than biased fantasy to you. And, to me, your version of facts seems, to me, to be biased fantasy.

The regretful thing is that everywhere I go on this email forum I seem to find you. And where I find you, I usually find profanity and insults coming from you. That's usually an indicator of a person's unwillingness or inability to discuss issues. May I suggest that when you attempt to substantiate your "facts" that you use something other than liberal blogs or publications? Because they really are nothing more than propaganda mechanisms to further brainwash people who already have their liberal bias........it is really just a means to stroke your opinions and look for someone to agree with you.

And that's what I mean by "critical thinking". Evaluate everything you see and hear and read critically and try to determine whether the reporting is fair and fact-based and not aimed at promoting an agenda. Also, remember that dissent is a valid form of expression that is foundational to a free society. Political correctness is nothing more than censorship and is almost always found in totalitarian regimes (read: Socialism & "thought police). That fact, by itself, should show you how socialist our society has become and what one of socialism's many dangers are.

Ya' know, Roy, what's really hard to understand is that I would be willing to bet these guys don't even know who George Soros is (or what he stands for). I got on this political "email forum" to try to understand the liberal Democratic mind so that I would know something about why they would embrace the socialistic policies and programs that Obama and his cohorts so blatently espouse. My conclusion is that most of them are ignorant of what socialism is, the ugly history of Socialism, how socialism will negatively affect us and therefore cannot recognize the laws and policies that are pulling us further into socialism and away from democratic freedoms. It reminds me of the saying "We have met the enemy and they are us". They seem to be thick as bricks and are very unwilling to have an open mind towards anyone who embraces a different point of view that might contradict their predetermined point of view. You know, "don't bother me with facts, my mind is already made up".

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Spirt and a few others here are a lost cause. The fantasy Island crowd. They're living in a world that doesn't exist and can't or refuse to see the positive changes that progressives are bringing about. We might have to put up with them, but a greater hell, for me , would be to be them.

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You libs have substituted insults for reasoned logic......this conversation has degraded appreciably due to that.

[quote=hoodmik]That pretty much says it all for you the MENTAL I***T. Why pay attention to the mainstream news when you can "Critical think" your own fantasy of doom and glum that has the credibility of a Spiderman comic book.[/quote

The propaganda machine of the msm does ur thinking for you....not only does it reort the facts but it interprets it for you dim-bulbs.

Hoodnik writes "turn on your television and pay attention" DOESN'T THAT JUST ABOUT SAY IT ALL FOR THIS "MENTAL MIDGET"? The national propaganda sources were made for robots like him to be spoon-fed the crap that comes through the mainstream media. I doubt that Hoodie could even define what "critical thinking sk**ls" are. He was made for government control.

Dave, when I read the denial and uneducated ideas that comes out of these people's thinking, it makes me truly understand how people like Obama, Pelosi, Biden, et al get into power and stay in power. My only hope is that people that think like Hoodnik and Cherdie will get their eyes opened in time to reject all these socialist policies that keep d**gging our country down. However, the psychosis that they evidence doesn't give me much hope, I think they'll keep rationalizing their misplaced ideas until they get put into "death wards" along with millions of other civilians. They are both probably scoffing at that statement but so did the Germans, Russians and Cambodians as they were hauled off to the gas chambers, gulags and k*****g fields, respectively. It wouldn't be so bad if that was their end (since they wouldn't see it) but my children and grandchildren may very well be victims that these two i***ts usher in with their delusional philosophies.

As a matter of fact, Hoodmik, our Democratic Republic, our free market economy AND our educational system have all been in the process of becoming more and more t***sitioned into Socialism as far back as the War Over States Rights (also known as the Civil War).....our collective sin of s***ery was the vehicle that allowed the Feds to grab unconstitutional power from the states...it would be most accurately be called "The War Of Succession".

More and more of our freedoms have been usurped decade after decade by the feds to the point that we in the U.S. are, in reality, more socialist than democratic. But, most people will deny that because our schools have been intentionally brainwashing us to see gov't. control as benevolent. They have been void in promoting individual and states rights issues that would reveal this gradual shift towards socialism. Remember socialism is defined as "a centrally controlled" system of governing. I'm sure our founding fathers and patriots (that sacrificed to the point of death for freedom) would be incensed at our callousness towards this socialistic philosophy that gives the fed. gov't. such absolute power. It's a moral poverty that we are giving up the freedoms that they sacrificed so valiantly for.

The real irony in all this is that almost everyone will say our country is in a mess. However, many will say that it is the result of capitalism and "out-of-date governance" that is the source of the problem. Socialist (like many Dems) want to blame the foundational principles of our country for the problems we are facing. The t***h of the matter is that it is the infiltration and establishment of socialist policies through the last 150 years that is causing us our problems and the socialist want us to believe it's capitalism and divided power as set forth in our constitution so that they won't be seen for the failure they are (name me one successful socialist country). The other reason that socialist tendencies in our society and growth in our government are not blamed is because of people like you and Chardo that can't even recognize socialism when it smacks you in the face. To you it's a paranoia (boogie man) and, after all, "just a word". But, in actuality, it is like an addiction that at first seems enjoyable (getting welfare, unlimited unemployment, and other gov't. provided payments where you don't have to work for it) but eventually robs you of your self-respect and dignity and ultimately takes your life. And, viola!, before you know what hit you are in the same deplorable conditions as the Soviets, N. Koreans, Chinese, etc. You remember the old saying "if you refuse to learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it". For our children's and grandchildren's sake I really wish people like you two would get a clue.

It's been a gradual process Hoodie, to get our populace as callous to socialism as you and Chardo are takes generations of continued ignorance.

Chardo, really???? Socialism is just a word? In the words of one of socialisms biggest ex-proponents (Robert Heilbronner), and I quote from his paper "Socialism"...it is defined as a centrally planned economy in which gov't. controls ALL means of production and it was the tragic FAILURE of the 20th century. Born of a commitment to remedy the economic and moral failures of capitalism, it has far SURPASSED capitalism in both economic malfunction and moral cruelty." Have you ever researched the life of citizens in the former Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea or former Yugoslavia? Tell them socialism/c*******m is just a word! You, and the many people in this country like you, are d**gging us into an ens***ement to a heartless gov't. of socialism. If you can't see that national healthcare is the socialization of our private healthcare industry by the gov't. then you're not nearly as intelligent as you like to portray yourself as. And if you think that gov't. control of our healthcare industry is a good idea then you really don't know what the danger of total gov't. control can be. Please do some research and educate yourself to the "word" socialism and understand that it is more than a "word", it is a means of enslaving the people.