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May 26, 2020 17:04:58   #
bilordinary wrote:
Cheap too, only $100 a pill.


Thank you, Free Market medical care and prescription plans.
So much better than a public plan.
I’m case you’re interested, it costs around $10 to produce. BTW our tax dollars funded the research.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8298253/How-remdesivir-cost-Experts-say-10-Gileads-antiv***l.html
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May 24, 2020 22:43:23   #
Tug484 wrote:
I watched a Dr. on the news.
Aspirin was 48th most dangerous and Tylenol was number 49.
Both worse than hydrochloroquine.
I learned a long time ago that Tylenol is not good for your liver.


Some good news 🥳
Remdesivir is looking like it will at least reduce recovery time and is safer as a baseline treatment than Hydroxychloroquine.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/the-antiv***l-remdesivir-shortens-c****-**-recovery-times-study-shows/%3Famp%3D1
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May 23, 2020 23:18:22   #
useful mattoid 45 wrote:
Yes, me too. I want the vulnerable to feel safe and this is a way I can help.

Are any of the rwnjs doing this for their neighbors?

And I wore a mask as is appropriate. Are any of the rwnjs doing this?


Rwnjs?
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May 23, 2020 23:09:00   #
bilordinary wrote:
I'd like to see you disprove it!


https://www.drugs.com/sfx/hydroxychloroquine-side-effects.html

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/aspirin-side-effects.html

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/acetaminophen-side-effects.html
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May 23, 2020 20:32:24   #
Tug484 wrote:
Funny how aspirin and Tylenol are much more dangerous than that drug.
Some phony scare tactics are being used.


I’d be interested where you got this idea from?
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May 23, 2020 14:09:32   #
WEBCO wrote:
No, China is to blame. They could have easily contained this v***s, and they didn't. They saw it as an opportunity to weaken the rest of the world. Are you really so blind that you can't see what is right in front of you?


I agree, China is responsible for its failure to tell the t***h. I’m not convinced it was intentional. They will, of course, exploit it as much as they can. I personally think it will blow up in their face.
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May 23, 2020 13:58:26   #
Kickaha wrote:
There is a difference between laws and regulations. Some regulations get written because someone got upset about something and decided they were going to show them who was boss. Too many regulations are written by agencies trying to prove their worth and increase their budgets. Many of the existing regulations seem to be contradictory. What Trump has proposed is that the agencies review their regulations and get rid of those that are outdated, impractical, obtuse, or unnecessary. Things like the 40 hour week and minimum wage are laws and as such it would take Congress to pass a new law changing these. Workers rights are also written laws, not regulations. Things like EPA rules are now required to have scientific evidence supporting proposed rule changes.
There is a difference between laws and regulations... (show quote)


I agree, regulations should be reviewed in light of the science.

“Impractical” is worrisome. I want a clear definition. Does that mean it doesn’t achieve the desired outcome? If so, get rid of it. Is it simply too expensive? How do you draw that line? What does the cost/benefit equation look like?

Obtuse regulations should be clarified, not necessarily eliminated.

“Unnecessary” has the same problems as “impractical”.

Contradicting regulations should be resolved one way or the other.
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May 23, 2020 13:02:04   #
Seth wrote:
I've pretty well reached the point that I don't trust most of these reports because they all conflict, but I also recall from living in NY as recently as 27 months ago that there's little to choose between reporting by NY1 and reporting by the rest of the MSM.

It does seem "strange" that one week we're hearing how well it works and then the next, in the same place, we're hearing it doesn't work.

Something highly fishy (🐟) there.


Yes, it’s frustrating. There are a number of factors in play.

- The unfortunate influence of politics.
The effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine has become a political issue, as if Trumps opinion of the treatment demonstrates his competence, or lack thereof. One side insists that Trumps opinion is absolutely right, as proof of competence. The other insists it is absolutely wrong as proof of incompetence. The fact is he’s not a doctor, nor does he claim to be. We just don’t know what treatments will prove to be effective.

- As we learn more about the v***s, medical opinions change. That’s how science works. Someone proposes a hypothesis. The hypothesis is tested. Maybe it looks good. Then further testing reveals new information. The hypothesis may be supported and have more weight, it may be adjusted to take the new evidence into account or discarded entirely if the new evidence disproves the hypothesis. If enough evidence supports a hypothesis it eventually becomes a theory. There are no scientific theories that can’t be discarded tomorrow if sufficient evidence disproves them.

- The public is desperate for a solution, so any treatment that shows promise is jumped on. It seems many people have pinned their hopes on hydroxychloroquine. The possibility that it doesn’t work, or is too dangerous as a baseline treatment, terrifies them.

I truly hope we find an treatment that works well enough to save as many lives as possible. I’m just not convinced hydroxychloroquine is it.
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May 23, 2020 03:08:27   #
PeterS wrote:
Large Study Suggests Malaria Drug Hydroxychloroquine Doesn’t Help C****-**

Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. Your president is an i***t. Accept it and move on...


Please dig down to the study itself.
It is not conclusive.
Hydroxychloroquine showed very promising results in early days.
Unfortunately, while it may be useful in some cases, it may be too dangerous as a standard of care.
We still have a lot to learn about this v***s.
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May 23, 2020 03:01:08   #
Seth wrote:
That must mean that all those hundreds of doctors in all those other countries as well as several in New York State, even, who have been using it for weeks and swear it is working for most of their patients must be hallucinating.


Ummm
No
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/07/hospitals-in-nyc-abandon-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-touted-by-trump-
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May 23, 2020 01:51:16   #
Seth wrote:
These days, largely thanks to the Democrats, everything seems to have some sort of political baggage attached.


I see plenty of guilt to go around. Right now? TDS is real, and belongs in the DSM.
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May 23, 2020 00:31:28   #
animal planet wrote:
I just read where Amy Klobuchers husband claims hydroxycloroquine saved his life. Does it just pick and choose who it’s going to help?? I also have heard that people have been taking it for yrs to control malaria and Lupus to name a couple of serious health problems.


Hydroxycloroquine is an effective treatment for many diseases. This doesn’t mean it will be effective for C****-**.
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May 23, 2020 00:28:48   #
Seth wrote:
Yes, like the single digit cost for the entire treatment course of hydroxychloroquine vs over $4,000 for that of what the pharmaceutical companies want to purvey.

I've read and heard in a number of different places that hydro...ine has been used successfully in a large number of countries, but as you point out, mainly in early stage patients.

If the pharmaceutical firms don't mind indulging in a little corruption, the quantity of C****-** victims x the profit margin per victim is well worth the baksheesh.
Yes, like the single digit cost for the entire tre... (show quote)


I absolutely agree with your assessment of the pharmaceutical industry.🤬🤑🤬

Please be careful of any article regarding a treatment for C****-** that doesn’t include a link to a study you can examine for your self.

Unfortunately, and ridiculously, medical information (and misinformation) has become politicized. If there’s one area where politics should have as little influence as possible, it’s medicine. Still, here we are.
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May 23, 2020 00:22:40   #
Crayons wrote:
the mslsd media never mentions 'ZINC' taken along with Hydroxycloroquine is the key to total success


A clinical trial is being put together for this purpose.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04370782

I would be very interested in a link to a study evaluating the effectiveness.
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May 23, 2020 00:18:36   #
Auntie Dee wrote:
This article still does not disclose at what point in the V***s cycle the drugs were used, or other conditions that the patients might have or might not have. Just like in the report that came out of the Veteran's Admin.

The doctors who have reported success with the drug have almost all stated that it had to introduced early in any treatment cycle & probably not administered to people with other known problems.

The Lancet is influential in the medical field but more than likely also highly influenced by the AMA & FDA, both of which are against heavy promotion of cheap generic drugs no longer under any patent & incapable of being a $$ powerhouse like the highly-advertised newer drugs you hear about in constant ads on TV & in print media.
This article still does not disclose at what point... (show quote)


I’m not claiming the study is conclusive. A lot more work is needed for that.

From the article- Heading: Methods
4th sentence.
“Patients who received one of the treatments of interest within 48 hours of diagnosis.”
I’m not sure what relationship that has to the v***s cycle but it does indicate it was administered within 48 hours.

Heading: Findings
Sentence 4
“After controlling for multiple confounding factors (age, sex, ethnicity, body mass index, underlying cardiovascular disease and its risk factors, diabetes, underlying lung disease, smoking, immunosuppressed condition, and baseline disease severity), ...”
This is a pretty comprehensive list.

Heading: Statistical Analysis
Paragraph 3 shows how they matched patient health profiles. So, a healthy patient would be compared with a healthy patient.

I believe you’re referring to the early French study.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32387409/

Here in America, Henry Ford Hospital started our first large scale study in April.
https://www.dicardiology.com/article/first-large-scale-us-study-hydroxychloroquine-c****-**-prophylaxis-begins-detroit

I’m hoping we will succeed in determining both effectiveness and risk factors. I suspect it will be useful for some, definitely not for others. We shall see.

So far as Lancet is concerned, while I’m not saying they’re pure as the driven snow, you’re not going to find a more trustworthy source.
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