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So much for Hydroxycloroquine
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May 22, 2020 19:48:43   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Study isn’t conclusive but sure doesn’t look good.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
A recent study, including over 96000 hospitalized Covid-19 confirmed patients from over 650 hospitals on 6 continents, indicates the antimalarial medications of such public renown may do more harm than good.
The study corrects for age, BMI, and other health problems.
4 treatment groups were examined.
Hydroxylchloroquine alone
““ combined with antibiotics
Chloroquine alone
“” combined with antibiotics
The study found a higher death rate among patients who received these treatments than those who didn’t receive them.
Apparently, the most common problem was the development of new heart problems.

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May 22, 2020 20:02:26   #
DaWg44
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
Study isn’t conclusive but sure doesn’t look good.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
A recent study, including over 96000 hospitalized Covid-19 confirmed patients from over 650 hospitals on 6 continents, indicates the antimalarial medications of such public renown may do more harm than good.
The study corrects for age, BMI, and other health problems.
4 treatment groups were examined.
Hydroxylchloroquine alone
““ combined with antibiotics
Chloroquine alone
“” combined with antibiotics
The study found a higher death rate among patients who received these treatments than those who didn’t receive them.
Apparently, the most common problem was the development of new heart problems.
Study isn’t conclusive but sure doesn’t look good.... (show quote)


Funny how that page does not exist. Look at Hydroxychloroquine w/o antibiotics.

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May 22, 2020 20:11:08   #
Auntie Dee
 
This article still does not disclose at what point in the Virus cycle the drugs were used, or other conditions that the patients might have or might not have. Just like in the report that came out of the Veteran's Admin.

The doctors who have reported success with the drug have almost all stated that it had to introduced early in any treatment cycle & probably not administered to people with other known problems.

The Lancet is influential in the medical field but more than likely also highly influenced by the AMA & FDA, both of which are against heavy promotion of cheap generic drugs no longer under any patent & incapable of being a $$ powerhouse like the highly-advertised newer drugs you hear about in constant ads on TV & in print media.

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May 22, 2020 21:33:42   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
Study isn’t conclusive but sure doesn’t look good.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
A recent study, including over 96000 hospitalized Covid-19 confirmed patients from over 650 hospitals on 6 continents, indicates the antimalarial medications of such public renown may do more harm than good.
The study corrects for age, BMI, and other health problems.
4 treatment groups were examined.
Hydroxylchloroquine alone
““ combined with antibiotics
Chloroquine alone
“” combined with antibiotics
The study found a higher death rate among patients who received these treatments than those who didn’t receive them.
Apparently, the most common problem was the development of new heart problems.
Study isn’t conclusive but sure doesn’t look good.... (show quote)


We know you commies don't have to tell the truth.

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May 22, 2020 21:35:42   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
This article still does not disclose at what point in the Virus cycle the drugs were used, or other conditions that the patients might have or might not have. Just like in the report that came out of the Veteran's Admin.

The doctors who have reported success with the drug have almost all stated that it had to introduced early in any treatment cycle & probably not administered to people with other known problems.

The Lancet is influential in the medical field but more than likely also highly influenced by the AMA & FDA, both of which are against heavy promotion of cheap generic drugs no longer under any patent & incapable of being a $$ powerhouse like the highly-advertised newer drugs you hear about in constant ads on TV & in print media.
This article still does not disclose at what point... (show quote)


The link he posted doesn't exist. He is a fake apparently.

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May 22, 2020 21:40:19   #
Seth
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
This article still does not disclose at what point in the Virus cycle the drugs were used, or other conditions that the patients might have or might not have. Just like in the report that came out of the Veteran's Admin.

The doctors who have reported success with the drug have almost all stated that it had to introduced early in any treatment cycle & probably not administered to people with other known problems.

The Lancet is influential in the medical field but more than likely also highly influenced by the AMA & FDA, both of which are against heavy promotion of cheap generic drugs no longer under any patent & incapable of being a $$ powerhouse like the highly-advertised newer drugs you hear about in constant ads on TV & in print media.
This article still does not disclose at what point... (show quote)


Yes, like the single digit cost for the entire treatment course of hydroxychloroquine vs over $4,000 for that of what the pharmaceutical companies want to purvey.

I've read and heard in a number of different places that hydro...ine has been used successfully in a large number of countries, but as you point out, mainly in early stage patients.

If the pharmaceutical firms don't mind indulging in a little corruption, the quantity of Covid-19 victims x the profit margin per victim is well worth the baksheesh.

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May 22, 2020 21:44:33   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
the mslsd media never mentions 'ZINC' taken along with Hydroxycloroquine is the key to total success

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May 22, 2020 23:36:05   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
bilordinary wrote:
The link he posted doesn't exist. He is a fake apparently.


I don’t know why the link didn’t work. Try googling “Lancet, Hydroxychloroqine”.

My apologies for any inconvenience.

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May 22, 2020 23:37:17   #
animal planet
 
I just read where Amy Klobuchers husband claims hydroxycloroquine saved his life. Does it just pick and choose who it’s going to help?? I also have heard that people have been taking it for yrs to control malaria and Lupus to name a couple of serious health problems.

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May 23, 2020 00:18:36   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
This article still does not disclose at what point in the Virus cycle the drugs were used, or other conditions that the patients might have or might not have. Just like in the report that came out of the Veteran's Admin.

The doctors who have reported success with the drug have almost all stated that it had to introduced early in any treatment cycle & probably not administered to people with other known problems.

The Lancet is influential in the medical field but more than likely also highly influenced by the AMA & FDA, both of which are against heavy promotion of cheap generic drugs no longer under any patent & incapable of being a $$ powerhouse like the highly-advertised newer drugs you hear about in constant ads on TV & in print media.
This article still does not disclose at what point... (show quote)


I’m not claiming the study is conclusive. A lot more work is needed for that.

From the article- Heading: Methods
4th sentence.
“Patients who received one of the treatments of interest within 48 hours of diagnosis.”
I’m not sure what relationship that has to the virus cycle but it does indicate it was administered within 48 hours.

Heading: Findings
Sentence 4
“After controlling for multiple confounding factors (age, sex, ethnicity, body mass index, underlying cardiovascular disease and its risk factors, diabetes, underlying lung disease, smoking, immunosuppressed condition, and baseline disease severity), ...”
This is a pretty comprehensive list.

Heading: Statistical Analysis
Paragraph 3 shows how they matched patient health profiles. So, a healthy patient would be compared with a healthy patient.

I believe you’re referring to the early French study.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32387409/

Here in America, Henry Ford Hospital started our first large scale study in April.
https://www.dicardiology.com/article/first-large-scale-us-study-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-prophylaxis-begins-detroit

I’m hoping we will succeed in determining both effectiveness and risk factors. I suspect it will be useful for some, definitely not for others. We shall see.

So far as Lancet is concerned, while I’m not saying they’re pure as the driven snow, you’re not going to find a more trustworthy source.

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May 23, 2020 00:22:40   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Crayons wrote:
the mslsd media never mentions 'ZINC' taken along with Hydroxycloroquine is the key to total success


A clinical trial is being put together for this purpose.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04370782

I would be very interested in a link to a study evaluating the effectiveness.

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May 23, 2020 00:28:48   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Seth wrote:
Yes, like the single digit cost for the entire treatment course of hydroxychloroquine vs over $4,000 for that of what the pharmaceutical companies want to purvey.

I've read and heard in a number of different places that hydro...ine has been used successfully in a large number of countries, but as you point out, mainly in early stage patients.

If the pharmaceutical firms don't mind indulging in a little corruption, the quantity of Covid-19 victims x the profit margin per victim is well worth the baksheesh.
Yes, like the single digit cost for the entire tre... (show quote)


I absolutely agree with your assessment of the pharmaceutical industry.🤬🤑🤬

Please be careful of any article regarding a treatment for Covid-19 that doesn’t include a link to a study you can examine for your self.

Unfortunately, and ridiculously, medical information (and misinformation) has become politicized. If there’s one area where politics should have as little influence as possible, it’s medicine. Still, here we are.

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May 23, 2020 00:31:28   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
animal planet wrote:
I just read where Amy Klobuchers husband claims hydroxycloroquine saved his life. Does it just pick and choose who it’s going to help?? I also have heard that people have been taking it for yrs to control malaria and Lupus to name a couple of serious health problems.


Hydroxycloroquine is an effective treatment for many diseases. This doesn’t mean it will be effective for Covid-19.

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May 23, 2020 01:21:27   #
Seth
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
I absolutely agree with your assessment of the pharmaceutical industry.🤬🤑🤬

Please be careful of any article regarding a treatment for Covid-19 that doesn’t include a link to a study you can examine for your self.

Unfortunately, and ridiculously, medical information (and misinformation) has become politicized. If there’s one area where politics should have as little influence as possible, it’s medicine. Still, here we are.


These days, largely thanks to the Democrats, everything seems to have some sort of political baggage attached.

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May 23, 2020 01:51:16   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Seth wrote:
These days, largely thanks to the Democrats, everything seems to have some sort of political baggage attached.


I see plenty of guilt to go around. Right now? TDS is real, and belongs in the DSM.

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