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May 31, 2020 10:36:13   #
eagleye13 wrote:
You covered your position well, Penny.
BUT As I saw it over and over.
The cop was a prick.
No resistance from a "forger"

The man should not be dead.


Eagle, I am not defending the attitude or personal attributes of the cop. I am defending his duty performance in this single case.

If I am right in my assessment of Floyd's exhibited medical state...he was a dead man walking. He would have died, even if he had been in hospital on an operating table. I may be wrong, but I strongly believe Floyd exhibited all the signs of heart attack brought on by a stroke.
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May 31, 2020 10:21:05   #
fullspinzoo wrote:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/29/george-floyd-died-police-restraint-combined-health/ Family will have a second autopsy done. Hey, Leftys ~ better get your wide-screen plasma TV before it's too late.https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/29/george-floyd-died-police-restraint-combined-health/


Indeed, the family has employed the Death Correspondent, Michael Baden...who was fired from his job as ME for New York. If you watch tv, you may have watched his program called autopsy. I remember him from the OJ trial where he insisted OJ did not k**l his wife, the JFK hearing...the second shooter and the Epstein case...

He would be my choice if I wanted someone to announce murder as COD...
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May 31, 2020 10:05:53   #
eagleye13 wrote:
"Basing your resolute defense of the Minneapolis cops, specifically Chauvin, on assumptions, speculation, and opinion is troubling." - Blade_Runner

Penny did that?


Yes Eagle, I am standing up for the cops. I am not saying the city approved restraint is not ugly or should it should be used on all detainees. I am saying that he used a tool approved by the city to carry out his duties. I am also saying, based on my observations, that Floyd did not die simply from the hold or his position (belly down). I am also saying that he did not die because the knee was on his neck for 8 minutes. Unless new evidence comes to light, I believe that all four cops did their job using nonlethal tools and a prosecutor will have a tough time, in a fair trial, obtaining a conviction.

You may recall, I defended the New York cops in the Grainer case, the cops in the Michael Brown case, and the Covington High School students....while most of OPP stood on the opposite side.
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May 31, 2020 05:14:08   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, Penny, Blade did not "postulate that the officer's knee restricted/eliminated Floyd's ability to breathe", nor did Blade "imply that "the knee placement restricted/eliminated Floyd's blood flow to his brain". Blade couldn't really tell from the videos how Floyd's physiological condition was reacting to the pressure on his neck. Blade is not omniscient.

Blade did not say he is "firmly convinced Floyd died from the knee restraint", Blade is more inclined to believe Floyd died due to pre-existing health conditions that were directly effected by diminishing his ability to breathe, i.e., kneeling heavily on his neck.

Blade neither defined nor implied a theory behind the experiment. What Blade suggested was that you give it a try so you could be far more knowledgeable about physiological reactions to such pressure on the neck. Experience is a great teacher.

Another experiment that would have similar effect to kneeling on one's neck is water boarding - same principle, doesn't k**l you, but puts you in severe distress due to inability to breathe.

All poor old George wanted was a freakin breath of air.

Though I haven't seen it written down anywhere, like in scripture or the constitution - probably find something about the role breathing plays in the overall function of the physiological system in a medical textbook on respiration - but it seems to me that breathing is a God given right.
No, Penny, Blade did not "postulate that the ... (show quote)


MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES....You are absolutely right, you NEVER said any of those things... Again, my error.

I went back through what you wrote and found that you had only implied the officer was less than an ideal officer …. not a single mention of Floyd's cause of death.

Because some people who has followed this thread has abandoned it, I feel badly that they may not see this apology, therefore...I leave it to you....should I make a thread with this as the title or send PMs to those people?
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May 31, 2020 00:10:15   #
Tug484 wrote:
Did you know he was a Christian


No...
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May 30, 2020 23:23:49   #
Wolf counselor wrote:
Minneapolis Cops are starting to show some force now and the cowardly punk protestors are on the run with their tails tucked between their legs.


Do you remember the song...Run through the Jungle? First thing that entered my mind!

Anyway, it is about time!!!!!
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May 30, 2020 23:15:47   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I think he was being sarcastic...

But I respect that it's a moot argument...

I sincerely hope that you remain safe and healthy....


He has known me for years...he is aware I do not understand sarcasm and I do not have a sense of humor.
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May 30, 2020 22:57:12   #
Larry Joe wrote:
Absolutely. Well stated. Floyd never should have died. He did not resist arrest, was handcuffed, should have been been placed in the patrol car and taken to the station. There was no known reason that has been explained as to why Floyd was ever on the ground. Let’s see how the Justice System works.
Larry Joe


Larry Joe...let me direct you to a source. I hope they clear up your confusion. It is plainly written and only 7 pages. https://www.hennepinattorney.org/-/media/Attorney/Derek-Chauvin-Criminal-Complaint.pdf?la=en&hash=1E453C8A0834E00805D32DA7132616A1D28F7AD5
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May 30, 2020 22:44:32   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Cheers Blade...

I saw Penny's reaction... Not quite sure how she worked out you were suggesting she k**l herself...

I will be safe... My friend is a trained law enforcement officer... And we'll be careful... I'm just interested how bad it really can be.... Hearing him (Floyd) scream was difficult and yet seemed to indicate he could breath....

My prayers go out to all of those officers and law abiding citizens who are suffering... Yep... Certain nations are rather gleeful that the US is having these issues... It's pathetic...

But I have no doubt that Americans will rise above it and emerge stronger than ever
Cheers Blade... br br I saw Penny's reaction... ... (show quote)


Let me explain. First, Blade did not suggest I k**l myself. He suggested that I should volunteer to prove his theory. Blade postulates that the officer's knee on Floyd's neck was the causality of Floyd's death. Blade says the knee restricted/eliminated Floyd's ability to breathe. Further Blade implies that the knee placement restricted/eliminated Floyd's blood flow to his brain. Therefore the officer murdered Floyd.

Blade then requests "Prove it to yourself, Penny, lay face down on the street and have a 180 pound man put a knee on your neck the other in the middle of your back and hold that for 8 minutes." https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/user-post-list?page=3&usernum=3645

Blade is firmly convinced Floyd died from the knee restraint.....if his theory is right then, the 180 pound man's knee applied to my neck and back would eliminate my ability to breathe and cut off blood flow to my brain. Resulting in death.

He is wrong, but the idea of his request both horrified me and made me re-evaluate our relationship.

I have now said all I care to say about this.
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May 30, 2020 20:52:18   #
bggamers wrote:
NO, she's now thinking law suit!!!!!
NO, she's now thinking law suit!!!!! img src="htt... (show quote)


Perhaps a new r**t focus....and lots of cold hard cash for her pain and suffering. Too bad the officer who was slapped can not sue her!!!! I think we need to make this option available to officers. Too many of our officers are murdered each year and many others are injured....The average age of officers k**led feloniously was 37...most had spouses and children. Yet, we do not protest for their rights, but we do strip away their tools to do the job we underpay them to do! We tell them, keep us and our business safe....but don't shoot a minority! Don't pepper spray r****rs! Don't restrain criminals! But you must protect us...and it is okay if you die in the process or wind up a paraplegic....The new American UNJUSTICE!!!!


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May 30, 2020 20:27:43   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
We shouldn't give them a dime, but there are innocent people there too.


I think there are enough face shots of r****rs that arresting them and having them make restitution would send a tremendous message to would be r****rs, l**ters, arsonists, and etc. Further, if this is made known...it is possible the law abiding citizens will start speaking out. Right now, the trouble makers believe they have the support of all America.
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May 30, 2020 19:36:18   #
Wolf counselor wrote:
She got what she deserved




A G R E E D!!!!!!! Our officers are not punching bags for LOW LIFE SCUM like this BEACH!!
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May 30, 2020 18:57:47   #
Daredevil wrote:
Are you mental?

All your argument goes out the window because, Floyd was cooperating and was already cuffed.

The whole point was that he wasn't violent at all.

Man, you make me sick. Floyd was barely able to say, "please I can't breathe". So what would you have done, then? Keep pressing his neck down after you have him restrained?

You know what's funny, too? You seem like the kind of person to whine about wearing a mask because "I have a hard time breathing". Try having a knee on your neck sometime.

And before you go, "oh you're defending him because of race/you h**e cops/y/z" as I'm sure you're wont to do, it isn't that at all. It's the fact that, simply, it is murder.
Are you mental? br br All your argument goes out... (show quote)



UWOR!!!
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May 30, 2020 18:53:42   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are assuming much, Penny, you have not taken an objective position in your "analysis" of what you believe happened.

Are you saying the charges against Derek Chauvin hinge on the ME's determination of physical cause of death? More succinctly, are you saying that because the ME did not find evidence of "traumatic asphyxia or strangulation", Chauvin is therefore innocent?

By what reasoning do you "think" (assume) Floyd was "possibly dying while still sitting in his car". Eyewitnesses, including the woman who made the 911 call, said Floyd appeared to be drunk when he entered the store.

An attempt to pass a counterfeit $20 bill is a petty white collar crime, that was what the 911 caller reported and that was what the police responded to. I've seen plenty of videos of this incident and when the police got hold of Floyd, he appeared befuddled and frightened, but he did not violently resist. He was unarmed and compliant and the cops quickly had him subdued and in cuffs. Regardless of a man's physical size, once he is cuffed behind his back and face down on the street, he is helpless, he ain't going anywhere. There was no need whatsoever to employ a combat restraint technique to detain him.

Here's another experiment for you, no threat to your life might I add: Find a healthy young friend, have him lie face down on the floor and secure his hands behind his back, then just stand back and ask him to get up. If he drinks, get him drunk.

During my career as a firefighter, I had many opportunities to watch police officers deal with all kinds of incidents similar to this one. Never saw the cops treat a compliant suspect in the way the Minneapolis cops treated Floyd. In some cases, when a relatively compliant suspect was verbally resisting or arguing with the police, they got a bit rough with him, but never treated him as if he was an armed and dangerous thug.

Is it possible Floyd would still be alive had the police not used a combat restraint technique to detain him? I believe he would be.

BTW: G****e F***d's family has retained forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, former NYC chief medical examiner, to conduct an independent autopsy.

Basing your resolute defense of the Minneapolis cops, specifically Chauvin, on assumptions, speculation, and opinion is troubling.
You are assuming much, Penny, you have not taken a... (show quote)


Mr Blade,

I was not on scene, so I can only say what I saw in the videos. Certainly your conclusions are possible...until or if this goes to trial, we will not know what true experts will have to say.

WOW, they hired the Death Correspondent, Michael Baden, the fired chief medical examiner for the New York City office in 1979? I think he recently was involved with the Jeffrey Epstein....calling his death a murder. In his books he says JFK's assassination required more than one shooter and OJ did not k**l his wife and her friend. I did enjoy his book and his TV series.... So, we may see quite a few autopsies by the time this is finished. Interesting.

Another interesting question...would Floyd be alive had he not been handcuffed or restrained...only G*D knows. That is just my opinion, and no I do not want to participate or have friends participate in an experiment where we inject a blood clot into our hearts or brain...so don't suggest it. No handcuff experiments or juvenile alcohol consumption experiment....drowning, car accidents, gun accidents, drugs...or any of the myriad ways you can imagine to bring about my demise....no thanks and do not ask me again.
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May 30, 2020 15:03:16   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Penn he's only going to see what he wants to see. To borrow phrase from nwtk grossly ignorant if he can't see beyond his own argument.


Thanks LT....I am over it. A moment of disappointment and then filed as lesson learned. As we used to say..."get up, and shake it off, move on."
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