Blade_Runner wrote:
You are assuming much, Penny, you have not taken an objective position in your "analysis" of what you believe happened.
Are you saying the charges against Derek Chauvin hinge on the ME's determination of physical cause of death? More succinctly, are you saying that because the ME did not find evidence of "traumatic asphyxia or strangulation", Chauvin is therefore innocent?
By what reasoning do you "think" (assume) Floyd was "possibly dying while still sitting in his car". Eyewitnesses, including the woman who made the 911 call, said Floyd appeared to be drunk when he entered the store.
An attempt to pass a counterfeit $20 bill is a petty white collar crime, that was what the 911 caller reported and that was what the police responded to. I've seen plenty of videos of this incident and when the police got hold of Floyd, he appeared befuddled and frightened, but he did not violently resist. He was unarmed and compliant and the cops quickly had him subdued and in cuffs. Regardless of a man's physical size, once he is cuffed behind his back and face down on the street, he is helpless, he ain't going anywhere. There was no need whatsoever to employ a combat restraint technique to detain him.
Here's another experiment for you, no threat to your life might I add: Find a healthy young friend, have him lie face down on the floor and secure his hands behind his back, then just stand back and ask him to get up. If he drinks, get him drunk.
During my career as a firefighter, I had many opportunities to watch police officers deal with all kinds of incidents similar to this one. Never saw the cops treat a compliant suspect in the way the Minneapolis cops treated Floyd. In some cases, when a relatively compliant suspect was verbally resisting or arguing with the police, they got a bit rough with him, but never treated him as if he was an armed and dangerous thug.
Is it possible Floyd would still be alive had the police not used a combat restraint technique to detain him? I believe he would be.
BTW: G****e F***d's family has retained forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, former NYC chief medical examiner, to conduct an independent autopsy.
Basing your resolute defense of the Minneapolis cops, specifically Chauvin, on assumptions, speculation, and opinion is troubling.
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I was not on scene, so I can only say what I saw in the videos. Certainly your conclusions are possible...until or if this goes to trial, we will not know what true experts will have to say.
WOW, they hired the Death Correspondent, Michael Baden, the fired chief medical examiner for the New York City office in 1979? I think he recently was involved with the Jeffrey Epstein....calling his death a murder. In his books he says JFK's assassination required more than one shooter and OJ did not k**l his wife and her friend. I did enjoy his book and his TV series.... So, we may see quite a few autopsies by the time this is finished. Interesting.
Another interesting question...would Floyd be alive had he not been handcuffed or restrained...only G*D knows. That is just my opinion, and no I do not want to participate or have friends participate in an experiment where we inject a blood clot into our hearts or brain...so don't suggest it. No handcuff experiments or juvenile alcohol consumption experiment....drowning, car accidents, gun accidents, drugs...or any of the myriad ways you can imagine to bring about my demise....no thanks and do not ask me again.