What part of Texas do you live? You want out? Were looking for homes in Brownsville Texas, near the coast, south west Texas.

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My question "have you read the Ryan proposal?" Think I have my answer........a big no!!When the far left is confronted with facts, such as math......they never engage in discussion. Usual, resort to name calling, or quoting opinion. This time a reply of a list of liberal presidents, but no discussion. This is actually a cult type behavior.

Correct, most arguments from the left (not all) "most" are founded on extreme left news MSNBC which use sound bites, and report opinion remiss of facts, or column writers who again use opinion, not to mention the term " war against" or " r****m". Which is artfully done, and very effective deception.

There are rapes that occur in the Bible. If someone is raped, does this justify having an a******n? What perspective can we gain from the Bible on this issue?

The Bible Doesn’t Hide the T***h

The Bible is a unique book. It is full of historical accounts, poetry, wisdom literature and it certainly paints a picture of the characters in the Bible, warts and all. The Bible never tries to hide the dark side of human nature and it records all of the character’s strengths and all of their weakness. There are examples of rape, murder, incest, and all kinds of depravity. God does not put rose colored glasses on the pages of the Bible.

Incest and Rape in the Bible

One of the most infamous of all cases of rape and incest is that of Amnon, the son of David, who laid a trap for his sister in the hopes of lying with her. In 2 Samuel 13 we read that “Amnon became so obsessed with his sister Tamar that he made himself ill. She was a virgin, and it seemed impossible for him to do anything to her” (v 2). Amnon was “in love with Tamar, [his] brother Absalom’s sister” (v 3). Amnon pretended to be ill and told Tamar, “Bring the food here into my bedroom so I may eat from your hand.” And Tamar took the bread she had prepared and brought it to her brother Amnon in his bedroom. But when she took it to him to eat, he grabbed her and said, “Come to bed with me, my sister” (v 10-11). Tamar responded by saying, “No, my brother!” she said to him. “Don’t force me! Such a thing should not be done in Israel! Don’t do this wicked thing” (v 12). Tragically, Amnon “refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he raped her” (v 14).

Rape was a penalty punishable by death in the Old Testament. In Deuteronomy 22:25-27 it is written that “if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.” Of course, the woman did nothing wrong in this case and she is naturally under no condemnation. However the man has committed a crime worth at that time of capital punishment (death).

Does the End Justify the Means?

Of all the rapes that occur in the Bible we see that God is vehemently opposed to it, however no where in the pages of Scripture do we see that a baby is to be k**led or aborted just because a rape or incest occurred. The baby who is born of adultery or rape is completely innocent and there is no Scripture nor is there precedence for having such a baby k**led or the fetus aborted. God is the Author of Life. Babies are most precious to God since they have not yet reached the age of accountability. Wh**ever the age of accountability is, and the Bible gives no specific age because each person is different, it is most certainly not the babies fault. God is against any and every a******n even in the event of rape, incest or adultery. The only exception of course is if the mother’s health is endangered and then it’s clear that the mother’s life must be saved over that of the fetus or baby. Clearly the Sixth Commandment covers the unborn or newly born by saying, “You shall not commit murder” (Ex 20:13).

All humans, babies included, are made in the image of God (Gen 1:26-31, 2:4-25, James 3:9-10). Children are brought forth from God (Gen 4:1). Why would God want to destroy the handiwork of His hands, as it is written in the Psalms (139:13-15) “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.” Even “From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God” (Psalm 22:10).

God is the Protector and Defender of Children

Part of the reason that God commanded Israel to take over and destroy the other nations were that they were sacrificing their own children in the fire and this was a great a*********n to God. He h**es this and God has stated that He would not even hold His own nation guiltless of this crime (2 Kings 17:17-18, Psalm 106:35-38). He is the defender of the helpless (Isaiah 1:13-17). The first part of the definition of pure religion given by God deals with orphans and widows but it doesn’t say how young the orphans must be to be qualify (James 1:27). We can assume all parent-less children are orphans, even at birth. If the mother doesn’t want the baby and neither does the father and the plan is to abort him or her, then that child is still an orphan in God’s eyes and it is nothing less than murder to God. It is a human being even before birth as Jeremiah and David wrote under the inspiration of God (Jer 1:5, Psalm 139:13-15 and elsewhere).

A******nists Can Not Worship God

You may have had an a******n and God is always merciful to forgive you and there is no sin that God can not forgive (1 John 1:9) but if people believe it is okay to have a******ns and they support it, they can not also be worshiping God simultaneously. Why? Because that is a contradiction to His Word and the Scriptures previously mentioned. God is the Giver of Life and only He has the right and authority to take it. The fact is that we all have an appointment to die but God Himself has appointed this day and we have no right to supersede His divine right in the sanctity of life (Heb 9:27). Jesus said, “I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full” (John 10:10b).

Life begins at conception, not at birth. Just see what God says through Jeremiah the Prophet, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart” (Jer 1:5). Amos (1:13) displays God‘s righteous indignation against those who k**l babies or fetuses in the womb writing, “This is what the LORD says: “The people of Ammon have sinned again and again, and I will not let them go unpunished! When they attacked Gilead to extend their borders, they ripped open pregnant women with their swords.” God will not hold them guiltless nor will He let them go unpunished who k**l the unborn. How much more clear can these Scriptures be? This is not my opinion but God Almighty’s. If this makes you mad, then you are getting mad at the wrong person, but it still needs to be said!

Conclusion

We see that God is the Author of Life (Gen 1), that He is the defender of the defenseless (Isaiah 1:13-17), that He calls a human being a person by name before they are even born (Jer 1:5), and that He will not allow the taking of human life to go unpunished (Amos 1:13). Rape and even incest are no reasons to take an innocent, human life. It is like punishing an innocent victim because of someone else’s crime or sin. With the exception of endangering a mother’s physical life, an unborn baby, fetus or embryo are sacred to God. They are viable human beings with the right to life and the right to live. There are many couples who can not have their own children who are on waiting lists as potential adoptive parents and this list is exceedingly long. This is a sensitive area, a touchy subject, a controversial issue, but it is worth fighting for - for those who can not defend themselves. God expects us to preserve life and He makes no exceptions to the rule. God is the Giver of Life and He is the only one who has the right to take it.
Hope this helps answer your question

The Ryan budget is just math. Have you looked (read) his proposal? At current pace there will be no medicare, social security, disability, medicaid. I believe the American people would rather have something, than nothing. While his plan is aggressive to respond to economic recovery, perhaps spread over a few more years. The ones fighting saving these programs are in denial, or really bad at math. There seems to be an attitude of "what's in my best interest" and damn those who are here when I'm gone.
The US is/has been living on borrowed money, and the last 18 +/- months the Chinese our largest lender to the US has pulled back buying treasuries, as has other nations. The Fed has reached the point of no return printing (stimulus) there trillions, and the interest rates have no choice but to raise making the US unable to pay debt, and fund these and other programs. Just as all this is coming to a head, obamacare gets past in Congress behind closed doors without so much as a Republican debate, or v**e which now absorbes 1*6 of the US GDP, racing us to the cliffs edge even faster. And this is framed as Ryans war against the elderly? Against children? I would argue that Ryan unlike the left, and even some right, is fighting a war for the elderly, and children.

What an amazing intellectual reply. I wouldn't expect much more based
On your treads.

Guess that was not clear. Controlled emigration would mean the US would not be paying for all the social services. Currently many counties such as Canada require the applicants be able to contribute such as work/ education sk**ls, starting a business ( with capital)..
Next in controlled immigration, the new citizens pay taxes.

So if the US is not paying billions and billions in social services, but rather collecting taxes.......get it. This is what happens in other countries that control there borders.

Wow, just like Harry Reid, MSN, twisting the t***h like a pretzel!!!! There a.channel cspan, where you can actually listen to Congress debate these issuses, her the t***h for yourself. Then go watch MSN and watch the t***h get raped, sound bites, and just plain evil manufacturing lies. Stay on the liberal path and the US economy will crash!!!!

Love that idea, damn I would even be happy to pay them a.bonus to actually get that done, no pay till it's done, bonus if signed by the president in 30 days. Then move onto the jobs bills. If they can't get it done. No pay and a penalty. They should be paid a commission, only make money with results..........

Nickolia, I have always p***ed myself on not insulting people in these forums. Regardless how insulting, or opposing views.
You are the exception.
I am beginning to think, you may have been the a******n that survived. And to think of all those millions of spearm, and yours is the one that got thru.......damn!!!!!

I agree, as far as costing billions.....a boarder that is only passable legally, and the cost to build it, would be a drop in the bucket compared to states and national cost absorbed by i******s now. Legal controlled immigration would benefit the tax base, our government is so hungry for. I'm not sure what the actual benefit in dollars over Say 50 years, but it gotta be +/- trillion if not a great deal more.




quote=saltwind 78]It's all about money. How much money would it cost to make the Mexican border secure? Billions and billions of dollars that we don't have would go into the effort. Its not like the Israeli- Gaza border. Mexico is our friend and trading partner. I think most Mexicans come here looking for a better life.
I don't know what the answer is. I don't think that people that come here without papers should be given the right to stay before those that followed our laws and waited to come here legally.[/quote]