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Feb 9, 2016 17:08:17   #
Docadhoc wrote:
Just how do you propose to convince the bulk of the world's population that believing in a higher authority is insane?

And if you are worried about muslim retaliation regarding taking out ISIS, how can you contemplate taking on all religion?

Ridiculous idea.



Getting rid of all religions will be a slow process, Doc, but making a more rational world will make life better for all of us. May I count on your help?
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Feb 8, 2016 14:06:24   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Trump will fix it fast !

Or what would you suggest ? Compared to what everyone else has tried in the past 3 crusades?



It's caused SO much trouble thru the centuries - let's get rid of religion! Start with Christianity to make us less goofy, then proceed with Hindu, Muslim, Jewish and all the etc's. This should be the first step in elimination of the world's insanity.
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Feb 6, 2016 16:34:40   #
Docadhoc wrote:
I told you that being a smart aleck does you no good. You don't need to get lippy because you think I don't agree with your every word. You don't see me trying to bad mouth you, although I am getting tired of people who pop off the minute someone doesn't instantly agree with them. .

Is your answer to wait until ISIS is k*****g people in your neighborhood? Not mine. I take them seriously. Any group that posts videos sawing off people's heads needs to be eliminated. You can't expect them to not follow through on their threat to come here and k**l your family. And yes, I believe we need the most powerful military in history....today!

Instead of wanting to weaken our military, why aren't you going after the equipment manufacturers to bring down their outrageous prices? Try looking beyond fear abd anger and stop being sarcastic. I'm trying to have a civil discussion with only. Slurs and inuendo aren't needed. Especially if you want to be taken seriously. I see you still haven't posted much in the way of supporting evidence. Just someone else's opinion, a you tube video, and something you could have typed up yourself.
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C'mon Doc, use your head. Sure, we've got the military stuff to go wipe out big segments of ISIS. Then what?? Then lots of the other few billion Muslims see their fellows dead, and the war technique of slipping terrorists into the US with guns and explosive vests vastly intensifies.

This is a new kind of war, and we've not yet developed the techniques to fight it effectively. The true battleground here is the religious beliefs of many in the Muslim community, greatly complicated by the rising f*****t political ideas being expressed in this country. Unfortunately, the white ethno-nationalism fears currently popular with many in the GOP, delays development of a superior strategy to address our situation.
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Feb 5, 2016 16:31:28   #
Doc, it strikes me there's a fundamental quirk haunting this discussion that gets in the way of your grasping the atheist viewpoint. That quirk perhaps arises through the frequently scientific verbiage atheists use to promote their points, while disparaging yours: they seem so POSITIVE!! - and therein lies the problem. I'll quote a few comments you made in your last post and my take on them.

1. ". . . most atheist are not willing to be pragmatic and discuss with out guile their opinions with-out feeling attacked."

Atheists making statements based in scientific data don't feel the necessity for pragmatic considerations. They don't see themselves as being dogmatic or opinionated, but as merely stating evidence-based fact in a discussion.

2. ". . . they can't also define what their new Atheism faith is."

Atheism is NOT a faith. It is an attempt to expand and explicate a fact-based overview of the real universe.

3. ". . . on the OPP forum and the rational topic and discussion on Atheism, has always been taboo . . . It always comes down to respect towards one another's viewpoints."

You've put your finger here on the central dispute, Doc. I personally, and I think most atheists, are perfectly willing to allow any exposition of the viewpoints favored by the religious. The overwhelming source of the antagonisms, I believe, is the persistent attempts by religious organizations to force the general public to abide by their religious beliefs.
I would hold that these widespread attempts are immoral!

The most prominent such attempt currently is perhaps the murderous push by Islamist groups in the Middle East to force their brand of Islam on entire populations. There are examples here as well, for instance the religion-inspired "Defense of Marriage," and the battle to outlaw a******n; both attempt to force the general populace to conduct themselves in accordance with religious beliefs.

Doc, I've run on far enough for now - I'm gonna go watch Spongebob.
Lemee know what you think . . . !
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Feb 3, 2016 16:32:38   #
angery american wrote:
It is the first of the month , and Sambo has gotten his welfare check, food stamps, and housing allotment...That is why he is feeling frisky and saying stupid things....It must suck to be Black And Stupid... :thumbup: :XD:



Golly - I never knew that ignorance was a side effect of anger!
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Feb 3, 2016 16:27:52   #
Bring your anger,
Bring your spleen,
Don't let logic intervene . . .
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Feb 2, 2016 16:42:52   #
Docadhoc wrote:
1 & 2 can be said about all candidates from all parties.

3. Is t***h and common knowledge for quite some time as evidenced by the nearly daily comments about the U.S. from other countries, publicized by all media as well as the net.

4. Ibama has cut the numbers of our military personnel, our navy and air force battle equipment, our nuclear arsenal, and makes apologies all over the world for our nation.

As far as I'm concerned, any POTUS who ever apologizes for America, should be thrown out of office. Anyone who doesn't know this is the greatest nation on earth, needs to leave and go to the one he/she feels is better.

None the less, a superpowerfull military is needed to keep the nation as secure as possible and taking out ISIS elsewhere on the planet is far preferable to fighting them here.

Again: those who would like to see our military weakened to the point of not being able to provide for tthe ntl security,....Can leave.

The major problem I have with Trump is his big mouth and petulant attitude. Not as much what he says, as how he says it.
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So - you want that big military buildup (when about half the national budget already does to the military machine) and then you want to attack ISIS over there? Ooooo - another Dubya type plan like Iraq to produce essentially nothing but huge corporate profits, a vast increase in the number of people who seek our destruction, and another 35,000 or so American kids k**led or wounded in the Middle East.

You're another success story for the rightist lie machine :!:
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Feb 2, 2016 14:18:14   #
bahmer wrote:
I think that you may be confused.



Confused because I refuse to accept "facts" from people who obviously don't have any?
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Feb 2, 2016 14:14:02   #
Docadhoc wrote:
In what way?



Docadhoc!! Wow, I like that moniker!

What makes me think of the Third Reich?

1. The vast flow of rightest propaganda - in this day mainly over the net.

2. The rising tide of r****m with the urging to expel the 'undesirables.'

3. A steady drumbeat of nationalist chest-beating pushing the idea that this nation has somehow become second-rate, while trumpeting the idea that other countries are beating us out.

4. The idea that the military must be made bigger, stronger, and then, "Go kick some ISIS ass."

I recently read a piece by an elderly Jewish lady who survived a stay in the Belsen concentration camp. She lived through the 1930s rise of the N**is and pointed out the similarities in our current political situation.
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Feb 2, 2016 13:41:33   #
missinglink wrote:
Thanks Neal. They are full of zesty life. I am liken that , I think.
I have to reach back a few decades. :lol: :lol:



Haven't been there since last summer. Visited friends in a tiny hill town east of Naples. How could you not like a guy with a vineyard who makes his own wine?
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Feb 2, 2016 13:36:12   #
Doc110 wrote:
Did I hit a Atheistic t***h nerve ?. . .

Can't the Atheist movement be scrutinized and be talked about, rationally as other Christian religious groups and religions ?

Is new Atheism a new type of religion ? . . .

Are Atheist the New “secular fundamentalists” ? . . .

And how do Atheist voice's seek to end this suffering of man and women kind from it's revolutionary religious roots.

They Atheist's are not a persecuted group or have a social stigma and conformity issues as once believed and practiced in this country and around the world.

Then Neal, you give a cryptic reply in your reply and state the article lacks "Intellectual Philosophy."

Tell me Neal, are not these two book's able to help define "Intellectual Philosophy" of secular Atheism or another take “evangelical anti-theism.” ?

The books help's to define the rudimentary beginnings of Atheism in the 1950's and the rise and growth in 2015 and rise of Atheism in America and around the World. Atheism is a new political movement, and is not discussed.

Then you lash out and you make the ridiculous statement about religion, "ignorance of nature gave birth to gods."

Then Neil you say "knowledge of nature is made for their destruction" of religion.

You fail to mention that the Christian religious charities provide to humanity of giving to the poor needy and the suffering.

This is Jesus Christ's message . . .

I'm sorry your reactionary comment missed the mark in your statement to the posted article.

Here is a brief synopsis of the two books that you obviously despise . . . So did I hit a Atheistic t***h nerve ?. . .


Book Review:

The article discussed two authors and their books.

The reviewer analyzed the topic of the "New Atheism" and the lack written books on the subject focused on the cultural and sociopolitical aspects of the movement.

1. CJ Werleman’s The New Atheist Threat: The Dangerous Rise of Secular Extremists

2. Stephen LeDrew’s The Evolution of Atheism: The Politics of a Modern Movement

Both books are essential reading for anyone seeking to better understand the way-wardness of a large chunk of the atheist movement.


Werleman defines New Atheism as “evangelical atheism,” or, as he emphasizes elsewhere “evangelical anti-theism theme.”

It is the conviction that religion is the leading source of problems around the world, and thus “is an obstacle to creating human perfection and a Western civilization utopia.”

That the New Atheists are “secular fundamentalists.”

They display a cultish commitment to science, a childishly simplistic view of religion, a severely bigoted stance toward Islam, and a slavish faith in what they take to be “the beneficent U.S. secular state.


LeDrew, a Canadian sociologist and post-doctoral fellow at the Centre for the Study of Religion and Society at Uppsala University in Sweden, presents his findings in an engaging, non-technical manner.

The text is divided into two main parts, the first on “Atheism as Ideology,” and the second on “Atheism as a Social Movement.”

Most importantly” challenging “the [widely held] assumption that the secular movement is liberal and progressive.” He writes that New Atheism “is a secular fundamentalism, a modern utopian ideology.”

LeDrew, sees it as an “essentially political phenomenon.” It is “only manifestly a critique of religion” while its somewhat veiled but veritable aim is “the universalization of the ideology of scientism and the establishment of its cultural authority.”

Moreover, among other things it is “a defense of the position of the white middle-class Western male, and of modernity itself,” thought to be “under threat by a swirling concoction of religious ignorance, epistemic relativism, identity politics, and cultural pluralism.”


Try to respond with fact's and back up those facts with sane rational opinions. . . .

That the New Atheists are “secular fundamentalists,” and emphasizes the “evangelical anti-theism theme,” discussed.

I would like to here you viewpoint on this subject

Doc110
Did I hit a Atheistic t***h nerve ?. . . br br ... (show quote)



OK, we'll get down to it:

1. Atheism is NOT a movement - it's a view of the universe centered in fact-based evidence.

2. Nor is atheism a religion, although the persistent criticisms of religious viewpoints may make it appear so to those lacking a background in the sciences.

3. Atheism CAN be scrutinized and talked about rationally - when do you plan to start?

On the whole Doc, I suspect you're a really nice guy. Wouldn't mind a bit having you as a neighbor and a friend. Might be interesting to record discussions over coffee at the kitchen table . . .
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Feb 1, 2016 16:42:37   #
Cool Breeze wrote:
The foundation of the GOP is based on a lie. You name it and they will tell it! MLK was a Republican. Planned Parenthood murders babies. Obama h**es America and is a r****t. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/tag/republican-lies/ That is just the tip of the iceberg. Shame!



I wouldn't pay too much attention to Hemiman, Breeze. I mean, the guy can't even spell to . . . !
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Feb 1, 2016 16:39:58   #
Elwood wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YMXoMhQa54

There is a lot of interesting stuff on the side bar. :-D :-D



Sheesh Elwood - you get your facts from youtube? No wonder you seem so confused.
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Feb 1, 2016 16:36:48   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
Enjoy, watch, and share with everyone, there's something in it for all walks...but not T*****rs, invaders and those who wish to T***sform us... WARNING !


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Trump and his followers too much remind me of the rise of Adolph Hitler!
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Feb 1, 2016 16:33:14   #
lindajoy wrote:
The t***h of the matter is there is no party anymore other than the elitist of Criminal Hill over We, the People..Yet, our system far exceeds that of other countries and is ever evolving..Not necessarily in the right direction, but it will turn around..

Comes a point, like everything else, lp, that once you hit rock bottom you can only rise above it..

We're there and We, the People can make it happen....We are only needed for v**es and our money...

They want both especially now..Make your v**e matter, make the change this country needs and stay on their butts once in office...We tolerate far too much and accept less as the way it is~~ It is only if we continue to let it be status quo.....Are you done yet?? I know I am.... :thumbup:
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Once again - BRAVO BABE :!: :!:
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