woodguru wrote:
There are passages in the bible that could get you prosecuted for inciting violence, or what's classified as h**e speech, and you are not protected because the bible says these things...I'm pretty sure we all know the saying you can't take the bible literally.
I agree.
RSV (Revised Standard Version):
H**e speech or incitement to violence:
In Judges 2:2 "and you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall break down their altars."
Unfairness to innocent people:
Deut 23:1 "He whose testicles are crushed or whose male member is cut off shall not enter the assembly of the Lord. 2 No bastard shall enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendants shall enter the assembly of the Lord. 3 No Ammonite ... [etc.]
Taking other people's land, and taking other people:
Deut 20:10 "When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. 11 And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. 12 But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; 13 and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, 14 but the home and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves... 15 Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you ... 16 But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17 but you shall utterly destroy them... as the Lord your God has commanded;"
Refusal to forgive, refusal to dwell in peace, refusal to acquire land by fair trade:
Gen 34:8 "...'The soul of my son Shechem longs for your daughter; I pray you, give her to him in marriage. ... 10 You shall dwell with us; and the land shall be open to you; ... get property in it.' 11 Shechem [the son] also said to her father and to her brothers, ' Let me find favor in your eyes, and wh**ever you say to me I will give. ... only give me the maiden to be my wife.'
13 "The sons of Jacob answered Chechen and his father Hamor deceitfully, because he had defiled their sister Dinah. ... '... every male of you be circumcised. ...'
20 "So Hamor and his son Shechem came to the gate of their city and spoke to the men of their city, saying, 21 'These men are friendly with us; let them dwell in the land and trade in it ... to become one people ... 24... and every male was circumcised ...
25 "On the third day, when they were sore, two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, took their swords and came upon the city unawares, and k**led all the males. 26 They slew Hamor and his son Shechem with the sword ... and plundered the city, because their sister had been defiled ... 28 they took ..all their little ones and their wives ... they captured and made [them] their prey."
What did they do to those wives? What sort of "prey" were they, to these brothers? Were these wives innocent?
Joshua 6:17 "And the city and all that is within it shall be dev**ed to the Lord for destruction; only Rahab the harlot [harlot!? Oh, but this one's on _our_ side, _this_ time] and all who are with her in her house shall live... 21 Then they utterly destroyed all in the city, both men and women, young and old, ... with the edge of the sword." [Still celebrated today in Christian Sunday schools.]
8:24 ... Israel ... slaughter[ed] all the inhabitants of Ai ...
Gen 12:7 "Then the Lord appeared to Abram, and said, 'To your descendants I will give this land.'..." [How? What would be the method of a Supreme Being?]
Here's some more deceit:
Gen 13:13 [Aptly numbered, _I_ think] "Say you are my sister ..."
18 "... 'Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? 19 Why did you say, "She is my sister," so that I took her for my wife? ..."
Many centuries later a Jewish person suggested to me that maybe the Israelites should have k**led off _all_ those other people when they had the chance. Where would he get an idea like that, or an attitude like that about those other people? It probably derived from that part of the Bible that Christians call the Old Testament. Christians include it in their holy book which they insist is "the Word of God". And now the same idea plays out in Israel today; they pretend that the people who were already living there (before 1948) either didn't exist or didn't count as people the way Jewish people count as people. And a significant portion of the Jewish people (with the aid of a significant portion of the Christian people) still, millennia after the time of the Book of Genesis and the time of Joshua, acquire land by force and trickery, although they could have instead lived in peace among their neighbors and bought land like most people do.
And the Christians themselves, upon entering into the Americas a few hundred years ago, could have lived in peace among their neighbors, but instead, when they had the chance, treated the natives badly and arrogantly assumed all for themselves. The Bible doesn't tell them not to. The Bible gives them the example of Abraham's deceit toward the Egyptians and the Book of Joshua as an example of how to acquire land.
Gen 26:7 "When the men of the place asked him [Isaac, this time] about his wife, he said, 'She is my sister';... 9 [after a long time] ... Abimelech [king of the Philistines] called Isaac, and said, 'Behold, she is your wife; how then could you say, "She is my sister"?' ... [and] Abimilech [also] said, 'What is this you have done to us? One of the people might easily have lain with your wife, and you would have brought guilt upon us.'"
That was Isaac doing the same thing his father Abraham had done. Examples matter! Like father, like son. And history matters, too.
Here is one of the sources of the violence that Christians have done in the world: it is that their holy book gives them some bad examples to follow. (And taking the Bible literally doesn't alleviate the problem, either; rather, one has to use quite a stretch of the imagination, in interpretation, to make all of the Bible into a _good_ Word of God.)