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Apr 24, 2013 17:56:02   #
oldroy wrote:
I picked up this video on your favorite source of same sex goodies.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/03/21/you-wont-believe-how-the-bible-actually-defines-marriage-hint-its-not-one-man-and-one-woman/


Truly blasphemous. I can't even call it funny.
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Apr 24, 2013 17:47:25   #
TheChardo wrote:
Well, they have their bigots and morons there just like we do here. Game over pal.....soon it will be the new normal and you guys will be regarded with the same scorn and disdain that segregationists of the past were.


That remains to be seen. The play book I follow already has the end result written. The side you are following loses. Care to switch sides? It only requires faith and a choice.
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Apr 24, 2013 17:44:40   #
TheChardo wrote:
France Celebrates Passage Of Marriage E******y Bill.....get over it!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/24/france-celebrates-passage-of-marriage-e******y-bill-video/


Laws that are not in the interest of everyone seldom have good end results. This was a loss, not a victory.
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Apr 24, 2013 17:42:29   #
Unclet wrote:
Amen and Amen - I have read the Koran or Qu'ran, and lived among Muslims for a number of years. What you say is true. However, and I am not defending anyone here, some Muslims are like Christians and don't follow all of the tennants of their faith. They are few and very far in-between, as they are ostricised and ridiculed openly for not obeying, and may even be k**led for objecting to or pointing out radicals.


What you say is true. There are many who are believers in name only. They claim their faith, but do not adhere to the tenets of that faith. Another word for them is "hypocrite". An alternative name for them is "acculturated". I think this is where the majority of people fall. They were raised under a faith, but never truly embraced it. Consequently, they continue to profess because it is what they grew up with, and they really don't understand (nor necessarily believe) the faith of their childhood.

Like I said, the majority of people are merely acculturated. To know where a faith truly stands, you have look at their defining documents. In this regard, you will find that Islam and Christianity (re: Qu'ran and Bible) are polar opposites. In fact, Islam more resembles a complete refutation (an antithesis) of the Bible.
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Apr 24, 2013 16:56:53   #
OPP Newsletter wrote:
http://worldt***h.tv/man-with-4th-amendment-written-on-chest-wins-trial-over-airport-arrest/


Awesome! There are still a few good men in the Judicial branch! (Along with the nutters, such as the original ruling of the first judge.)
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Apr 24, 2013 16:50:47   #
For the record: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp

I doubt the veracity of anything from Snopes as it is a liberal front, but they do have it listed on their site. It is therefore not surprising to find discrepancies with their account.

Also, with respect tho the questions posted about Christianity, if find it amusing that every time someone has an issue with Christianity, they always choose a reference to the Old Testament to make their point. It's amusing as Christianity is based on the New Testament, and that the New Testament is the lens that Jesus gave us to understand God's true intent with respect to the old testament. Anyone who goes to those old testament arguments clearly do not understand what Christianity is all about.
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Apr 24, 2013 16:08:24   #
I received the following through an email from a friend. I cannot verify the original author, but I do verify the veracity of what is said WRT Islam.

unknown wrote:
I hope you will read this and then pass it on. WHAT'S AN
INFIDEL?

This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry.


The man who walks with God always gets to his destination. If you have a pulse you have a purpose.

The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States , especially in the minority races!

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance.

During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who each explained their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic had to say.

The Muslim gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Muslim and asked:
'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad {Holy war} against the infidels of the world and, that by k*****g an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, 'Non-believers!'

I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to k**l everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.'

He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'

I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine The Pope commanding all Catholics to k**l those of your faith or Dr.Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'

The Muslim was speechless!

I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to k**l me! Let me ask you a question:

Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to k**l me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the t***h about the Muslims' beliefs.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslim v**ers in the U.S. to elect the President!

I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on! This is your chance to make a difference....

(FOR CHRIST'S SAKE....SEND THIS ON . . .)
I hope you will read this and then pass it on. WHA... (show quote)

For the record, I did some minor editing to reduce the page length of the quote. I also had to change the blocks '[', ']' to braces '{', '}' around holy war due to problems displaying the quote on this forum. Otherwise, not one letter or punctuation was altered.

That said, I know the contents of this conversation to be true. I have studied the Qu'ran, and it indeed tells believers to k**l non-believers. For the record, that list includes Christians, Buddhists, Taoists, Shintoists, and even agnostics and atheists. So, what do you think are your chances when facing a devout Muslim? For the record, the Qu'ran also espouses s***ery, rape, and p********a. However, it does not espouse homosexuality. In fact, if you are a homosexual, and you are caught by devout believers, you will be k**led! What most people are unaware of is that Islam is not just a Religion. That's only one part of it. It is a total system of governance. That is why in most countries with a high percentage of Muslims, they practice Shariah law. And in countries where they are not so populous, that keep pressing the issue of Shariah to get it to be accepted in the country they reside. One only has to look to Deerborn, MA to know that Shariah is beginning to come to America.

These are just a few things for you to think about the next time you get into a religious debate. Now let the trolling begin!
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Apr 22, 2013 21:56:22   #
Yankee Clipper wrote:
I guess I am still missing your point, sorry.


I h**e doing this a second time, but since so much time has t***spired in between posts, I'll do so for the sake of simplicity.

memBrain wrote:
Yankee Clipper wrote:
memBrain wrote:
I have given this topic a lot of thought. My solution is simple:

Any company formed within the jurisdiction of the United States of America must employ a percentage of Americans equal to the percentage of business done in America. Violators face a fine starting with a percentage of the profits equal to the percentage discrepancy of the prior rule that increases up to 100% of the profit or termination of the business's license.

I'm usually with you on most topics, but here I will break rank. You solution like the opening statement of the thread smacks of f*****m at best, Marxism at worst. It is not the government's business how a business operates its affairs internally as long as it is legal.
quote=memBrain I have given this topic a lot of t... (show quote)

No argument. I never said I liked the idea. However, as an economist, I recognize the need for some legislation governing the behavior of the participants in an economy. Any such legislation is by definition socialist. That cannot be helped. What is of concern here is expectations.

Obviously, the only consideration for consumers is that they don't steal. Everything else surrounding consumers involves their protection from the malfeasance of the businesses.

However, when it concerns the larger issue of corporate behavior, a whole set of issues arise. One of those issues involves corporate responsibility to the people who allow the company to even exist to do business. Does that business have a responsibility to provide reciprocity to that group of people. I say yes....with the caveat that such reciprocity only exists if that company wishes to make a profit off of the same group of people. (Note: I use group of people in place of Government. To be fair, our government is supposed to represent the People, and so in this case I make that point clear.)

Here's my justification. Just as businesses are expected to pay taxes (to the government), so too should they provide jobs to the people from whom they do business, if that business is done all or in part in that country. This is the essence of reciprocity. The people (through the government) allow the company to exist to do business for a profit (presumably from those same people). The essence of reciprocity is the company giving back to that community of people by offering employment thereby establishing a mutually beneficial relationship. We call this relationship symbiotic.

When you allow a company to form within a society, and that company removes the job opportunities from that society, but still insists that it should make a profit from the members of the society, you create a one sided system. This is a parasitic relationship. Parasitic relationships are by nature destructive. I do not support parasitic relationships. (I must note that I do not apply that logic to individuals. Individuals are a resource, perhaps our most precious resource. We need to take every step to make a person be a useful contributor within the economy, or let the suffer the consequences if they CHOOSE not to be.)

Remember this one fact. All businesses are a collective figment of the imagination of the government and its creator(s). As such, they do not have the same rights as people.
quote=Yankee Clipper quote=memBrain I have given... (show quote)

In summation, I responded to your initial response to my solution for the essence of this topic. I was looking for feedback from you with respect to my response and any influence it may have had with respect to your view. Thanks.
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Apr 20, 2013 18:10:44   #
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
I am still thinking about this. It has certain merits, but my mind keeps screaming at me that government oversight of percentage of profits and ratio of American workers... is a nightmare.

My mind screams:
You understand I suppose that we self-report income in America? Who will report total work-force to the American Government? The easiest thing in the world is to under report the number of workers hired in a foreign country. Government would compensate for an presumed under reporting of workers hired in other countries. This presumption would penalize corporations that report honestly, and encourage dishonest reporting, just like most other regulatory oversight in this country.
I am still thinking about this. It has certain mer... (show quote)


Actually, we don't self report. As employees, businesses report that information to the gov't for us. They give each of us a w-2 unless we are a contractor, in which case it's a 1099. They report even if you do not. As for the rest of it, the formula couldn't be simpler. Companies have to report income earned in foreign markets...especially if they paid foreign taxes. All that needs to be done is to look at the total gross of all income streams as well as total expendatures to labor. If the percentage of local labor expense is less than the percentage of local income, then a red f**g is raised for further investigation. To be sure there is no c***ting, executive incomes and bonus's would be disqualified sources from the calculation.
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Apr 20, 2013 08:22:49   #
RonMM wrote:
MemBrain,
I have up to this point at this web site thought that I was answering a person or persons addressing me – apparently that is not the case! I am speaking from the human perspective where as you are disregarding humanity for the sake of pure and strict regimentation? At any rate we cannot find a happy medium, therefore the discussion is pointless. Have a great life!
RonMM


You're speaking from the human perspective? :roll: Puh-lees! Don't make me laugh! Go on and live your self deluded life.
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Apr 19, 2013 23:17:25   #
The Dutchman wrote:
memBrain, These sick morally perverted q***rs will never stop till the get the ability to have homosexual sex with children, Get p********a made legal so as to marry children of adolescent age, & have legal sex with animals. They are all very sick and love the obozo so very much because he has opened the gate so as to access their perversions. How long before these perverts want to marry their goat, dog, or what ever.

oldroy wrote:
I do agree that they will go to goats, dogs or wh**ever as soon as they get what they say they want.


It's like I said. All I did was agree with Chardo that "rubio" made a claim that required support. If he had said it was his opinion, that would be another matter. We all know that immorality begets even greater immorality. I never questioned that or their agenda.
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Apr 19, 2013 22:06:24   #
TheChardo wrote:
Moron! I'm talking about what weneedrubio said.


Well, just skimming through this mess, I'm afraid I have to support Chardo on this one. While I agree with what Rubio said (After all, once we start relaxing sexual liberties for homosexuals, the next round will be extra marital arrangements such as group marriages and polygamy. Where does it all stop? Not only that, but the p*******es are looking to attack children from the sexual preferences angle being established by the homosexuals. At some point it all becomes alienating some group of people and "trampling on their rights". There has to be a line drawn against that way of thinking. Better to stop it before it starts.), he makes it as an absolute claim that demands citation from a valid source.
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Apr 19, 2013 21:54:08   #
Mr RonMM,

I have tried to stay out of your side of the argument, but nevertheless shall enter it here. You are wrong. I'll dispense with the line by line breakdown of exactly why you are wrong simply because your responses are too verbose and poorly organized making the practice impractical.

Where my response can be considered socialist, yours is outright c*******tic. It takes away rights of people, let alone businesses. I could never support such an initiative.

As for Unions, the are a relic of a bygone era. They once served a public service that has been completely done away with by our current legal system. Whereas they existed initially to serve the needs of the workers, they rapidly grew to serve the needs of itself. They are parasitic, and make no attempt to give anything back to the society in which they were created. Simply put, they are self serving. Additionally, their tendency to force union enrollment in order for a person to have a job in the field is nothing short of economic s***ery. If they didn't require dues, I might feel differently. No, we would be best off if we did away with unions altogether.
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Apr 19, 2013 21:32:16   #
Yankee Clipper wrote:
I guess I missed something, I am not following your question, but I can be dense at times. If I don't answer back right away, I will be out of town late tonight and over part of the weekend, I will answer when I get back.

That's ok, I'll spell it out for ya! :P

memBrain wrote:
Yankee Clipper wrote:
I'm usually with you on most topics, but here I will break rank. You solution like the opening statement of the thread smacks of f*****m at best, Marxism at worst. It is not the government's business how a business operates its affairs internally as long as it is legal.


No argument. I never said I liked the idea. However, as an economist, I recognize the need for some legislation governing the behavior of the participants in an economy. Any such legislation is by definition socialist. That cannot be helped. What is of concern here is expectations.

Obviously, the only consideration for consumers is that they don't steal. Everything else surrounding consumers involves their protection from the malfeasance of the businesses.

However, when it concerns the larger issue of corporate behavior, a whole set of issues arise. One of those issues involves corporate responsibility to the people who allow the company to even exist to do business. Does that business have a responsibility to provide reciprocity to that group of people. I say yes....with the caveat that such reciprocity only exists if that company wishes to make a profit off of the same group of people. (Note: I use group of people in place of Government. To be fair, our government is supposed to represent the People, and so in this case I make that point clear.)

Here's my justification. Just as businesses are expected to pay taxes (to the government), so too should they provide jobs to the people from whom they do business, if that business is done all or in part in that country. This is the essence of reciprocity. The people (through the government) allow the company to exist to do business for a profit (presumably from those same people). The essence of reciprocity is the company giving back to that community of people by offering employment thereby establishing a mutually beneficial relationship. We call this relationship symbiotic.

When you allow a company to form within a society, and that company removes the job opportunities from that society, but still insists that it should make a profit from the members of the society, you create a one sided system. This is a parasitic relationship. Parasitic relationships are by nature destructive. I do not support parasitic relationships. (I must note that I do not apply that logic to individuals. Individuals are a resource, perhaps our most precious resource. We need to take every step to make a person be a useful contributor within the economy, or let the suffer the consequences if they CHOOSE not to be.)

Remember this one fact. All businesses are a collective figment of the imagination of the government and its creator(s). As such, they do not have the same rights as people.
quote=Yankee Clipper I'm usually with you on most... (show quote)
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Apr 19, 2013 17:57:53   #
Yankee Clipper wrote:
I think basically we both said the same thing in a different manner. A corporation would be held responsible for the death of an individual along with its CEO and board. The corporation could be sued financially out of existence and the officers imprisoned if it was a particularly egregious incident that caused the death. Fortunately, this is a really rare and extreme example you use. What I was trying to say was a corporation acts like a living person, but is not treated by law as such.


That's correct, and rightly so.

Edit: So what about what I said before that?
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