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What is an Infidel?
Apr 24, 2013 16:08:24   #
memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)
 
I received the following through an email from a friend. I cannot verify the original author, but I do verify the veracity of what is said WRT Islam.

unknown wrote:
I hope you will read this and then pass it on. WHAT'S AN
INFIDEL?

This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry.


The man who walks with God always gets to his destination. If you have a pulse you have a purpose.

The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States , especially in the minority races!

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance.

During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who each explained their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic had to say.

The Muslim gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Muslim and asked:
'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad {Holy war} against the infidels of the world and, that by k*****g an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, 'Non-believers!'

I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to k**l everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.'

He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'

I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine The Pope commanding all Catholics to k**l those of your faith or Dr.Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'

The Muslim was speechless!

I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to k**l me! Let me ask you a question:

Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to k**l me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the t***h about the Muslims' beliefs.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslim v**ers in the U.S. to elect the President!

I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on! This is your chance to make a difference....

(FOR CHRIST'S SAKE....SEND THIS ON . . .)
I hope you will read this and then pass it on. WHA... (show quote)

For the record, I did some minor editing to reduce the page length of the quote. I also had to change the blocks '[', ']' to braces '{', '}' around holy war due to problems displaying the quote on this forum. Otherwise, not one letter or punctuation was altered.

That said, I know the contents of this conversation to be true. I have studied the Qu'ran, and it indeed tells believers to k**l non-believers. For the record, that list includes Christians, Buddhists, Taoists, Shintoists, and even agnostics and atheists. So, what do you think are your chances when facing a devout Muslim? For the record, the Qu'ran also espouses s***ery, rape, and p********a. However, it does not espouse homosexuality. In fact, if you are a homosexual, and you are caught by devout believers, you will be k**led! What most people are unaware of is that Islam is not just a Religion. That's only one part of it. It is a total system of governance. That is why in most countries with a high percentage of Muslims, they practice Shariah law. And in countries where they are not so populous, that keep pressing the issue of Shariah to get it to be accepted in the country they reside. One only has to look to Deerborn, MA to know that Shariah is beginning to come to America.

These are just a few things for you to think about the next time you get into a religious debate. Now let the trolling begin!

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Apr 24, 2013 16:50:47   #
memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)
 
For the record: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp

I doubt the veracity of anything from Snopes as it is a liberal front, but they do have it listed on their site. It is therefore not surprising to find discrepancies with their account.

Also, with respect tho the questions posted about Christianity, if find it amusing that every time someone has an issue with Christianity, they always choose a reference to the Old Testament to make their point. It's amusing as Christianity is based on the New Testament, and that the New Testament is the lens that Jesus gave us to understand God's true intent with respect to the old testament. Anyone who goes to those old testament arguments clearly do not understand what Christianity is all about.

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Apr 24, 2013 17:17:36   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
memBrain wrote:
For the record: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp

I doubt the veracity of anything from Snopes as it is a liberal front, but they do have it listed on their site. It is therefore not surprising to find discrepancies with their account.

Also, with respect tho the questions posted about Christianity, if find it amusing that every time someone has an issue with Christianity, they always choose a reference to the Old Testament to make their point. It's amusing as Christianity is based on the New Testament, and that the New Testament is the lens that Jesus gave us to understand God's true intent with respect to the old testament. Anyone who goes to those old testament arguments clearly do not understand what Christianity is all about.
For the record: url=http://www.snopes.com/politic... (show quote)


Amen and Amen - I have read the Koran or Qu'ran, and lived among Muslims for a number of years. What you say is true. However, and I am not defending anyone here, some Muslims are like Christians and don't follow all of the tennants of their faith. They are few and very far in-between, as they are ostricised and ridiculed openly for not obeying, and may even be k**led for objecting to or pointing out radicals.

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Apr 24, 2013 17:42:29   #
memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)
 
Unclet wrote:
Amen and Amen - I have read the Koran or Qu'ran, and lived among Muslims for a number of years. What you say is true. However, and I am not defending anyone here, some Muslims are like Christians and don't follow all of the tennants of their faith. They are few and very far in-between, as they are ostricised and ridiculed openly for not obeying, and may even be k**led for objecting to or pointing out radicals.


What you say is true. There are many who are believers in name only. They claim their faith, but do not adhere to the tenets of that faith. Another word for them is "hypocrite". An alternative name for them is "acculturated". I think this is where the majority of people fall. They were raised under a faith, but never truly embraced it. Consequently, they continue to profess because it is what they grew up with, and they really don't understand (nor necessarily believe) the faith of their childhood.

Like I said, the majority of people are merely acculturated. To know where a faith truly stands, you have look at their defining documents. In this regard, you will find that Islam and Christianity (re: Qu'ran and Bible) are polar opposites. In fact, Islam more resembles a complete refutation (an antithesis) of the Bible.

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Apr 24, 2013 18:39:43   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
memBrain wrote:
What you say is true. There are many who are believers in name only. They claim their faith, but do not adhere to the tenets of that faith. Another word for them is "hypocrite". An alternative name for them is "acculturated". I think this is where the majority of people fall. They were raised under a faith, but never truly embraced it. Consequently, they continue to profess because it is what they grew up with, and they really don't understand (nor necessarily believe) the faith of their childhood.

Like I said, the majority of people are merely acculturated. To know where a faith truly stands, you have look at their defining documents. In this regard, you will find that Islam and Christianity (re: Qu'ran and Bible) are polar opposites. In fact, Islam more resembles a complete refutation (an antithesis) of the Bible.
What you say is true. There are many who are beli... (show quote)


I wonder how much uncomfortable this post caused for some on the forum. I think you said it very, very well but will have to wait to see who doesn't like what you said.

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Apr 24, 2013 18:47:00   #
memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)
 
LOL! I imagine that it will strike a LOT of nerves! As for not being liked...been there done that. I can handle it.

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Apr 24, 2013 20:08:25   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
I am NOT well-versed in Islamism, but I have read enough at various places to NOT be surprised at things within this missive. I've read enough to know that it must not be allowed to get a real toe-hold in America. I do doubt that the Muslim cleric the author was questioning was actually surprised at the question that seemed to floor him. I suspect that question had been asked in some form or fashion many times over the years. I am sure most Americans would agree that no matter what his reaction was, it won't change way things are done in the Islam religion. Murdering seems to be what they do. It seems endemic and unchangeable.

Color me crazy, but I am not really worried about Islam insisting on coming to America. What really worries me is how PC our government officials want to be and want us to be re Islam. If Islam is prevented from taking over America it will be the citizens who stop it - it certainly won't be the chickens in DC who stop it. I am fed up with all the pansy treatment our "leaders" seem to gain some strength in doing.

Thanks for the post. It's a good one!

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Apr 24, 2013 22:17:31   #
memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)
 
Tasine wrote:
I've read enough to know that it must not be allowed to get a real toe-hold in America...Color me crazy, but I am not really worried about Islam insisting on coming to America. What really worries me is how PC our government officials want to be and want us to be re Islam. If Islam is prevented from taking over America it will be the citizens who stop it - it certainly won't be the chickens in DC who stop it. I am fed up with all the pansy treatment our "leaders" seem to gain some strength in doing.

Thanks for the post. It's a good one!
I've read enough to know that it must not be allow... (show quote)


You really need to do a little more research on this subject then. Within 20 years, at present birth/immigration rates, people of the Islamic faith will be the majority in America. One only has to research Dearborn, MI to know that Islam already has given Sharia a large toe hold in America. Christians have been arrested for proselytizing Muslims on public walkways in Dearborn.

Let's not also forget the honor k*****gs in our recent past. That is also Sharia. Islam is a clear and present danger to the security of the United States of America. It is as much a government as it is a religion. It cannot tolerate the presence of dissent. What do you think will happen in America within 20 years time? All you have to do is look to eastern Europe to see the sectarian violence that is caused by Islam.

As for our government...the Muslim in Chief has been filling many of his cabinet seats with Muslims as well as many other important roles in his administration. He bows before the king of Saudi Arabia as though he were a subject. Let us not also forget that as a child he attended a Indonesian Public School that also taught Islam. On the surface, he may profess Christianity. Underneath his actions declare him a Muslim.

No, the Islamization of America is already well underway. How's that for a fundamental t***sformation?!

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Apr 24, 2013 22:26:36   #
memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)
 
Here's a new post: http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-1641-1.html#9530

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Apr 25, 2013 00:27:52   #
ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio
 
ANYBODY NOT MUSLIM!

VLAD THE IMPALER
VLAD THE IMPALER...

PEACEFUL MUSLIMS
PEACEFUL MUSLIMS...

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